2013-01-23, 01:02 | Link #23342 |
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This is still the guy that almost killed Aurelous Dummy in Volume 2
which was because the happiness that he got had been taken away while he was feeling empty on the inside(memory loss) and scared because of the realization that terrible things happen all around the world.
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2013-01-23, 01:10 | Link #23343 |
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About the comparison with Shirou... Honestly I don't remember much about Shirou other than the first ten episodes of F/SN were so painful that I seem to have completely forgotten everything else about the story.
But from what I've gathered, Shirou's goal in life is to become the Hero that Kiritsugu could not, but Touma doesn't have that kind of motivation or goal- The title of 'Hero' means jacksquat to him.
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2013-01-23, 01:14 | Link #23344 |
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There's another impression from the blog that Chaos give about Kamijou that really make me think. Earlier in the volume, we were told that the reason is still able to act like she is now is because she believes that "Hamazura Shiage will forgive her no matter what she does. In a way, for Mugino, "Hamazura Shiage" is the thing that give her the confidence to be Mugino, including all the psycho part of her.
But for Kamijou Touma, the thing that give him confidence to be Kamijou Touma is "the old Kamijou Touma", a person that he only knows as someone who was able to sacrifice his memory to save a girl he barely knew. The old Kamijou Touma might be far from perfect, in fact he might be much less heroic than the current Kamijou Touma, but for the current Kamijou Touma, the old Kamijou Touma is an ideal hero, someone who will sacrifice himself to save other, and a target to be chased after at the same time. In fact, the current Kamijou thinks that he must become the old Kamijou Touma to make people around him happy. If we see his action from this point of view, it's not too surprising to see why the current Kamijou Touma become what he is today. I guess he really is like Shirou in a way, minus the hero title tl:dr : long rant about Kamijou, feel free to ignore it if you want |
2013-01-23, 01:18 | Link #23345 |
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^ I'm thinking that Touma now is Touma as he is now because in a way he's similar to what Crowley had said about himself regarding the part in which he already got his illusions broken a long time ago. Touma right now just lives up to it.
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2013-01-23, 01:29 | Link #23346 | ||
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Oooohhh I did mention something like that before a long time ago- That this Kamijou was inspired by the actions of the old Kamijou, in fact he even said it once: Quote:
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2013-01-23, 01:31 | Link #23347 |
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Well, I didn't expect this type of discussion to start
As long Touma doesn't go the lonely hero route and continues recognizing his own limitations and the value of those around him, I'm ok with his self-sacrificing tendencies. Guess douchebaggery bothers me more than extreme morals. |
2013-01-23, 01:34 | Link #23348 | |
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for himself EDIT: oh god I dont want Touma to turn into Archer, I'd just
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2013-01-23, 01:37 | Link #23349 |
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Shirou and Touma have someone who they who they admire in which they want to become at risk of endangering their own lives. For Shirou his ideal person was to become Kiritsugu and for Touma it is the old Touma. The fact is they go to far with their ideals that what makes them warped. No normal person would go this far and they know what they are doing is not something people would normally do but still do it anyway knowing they are going to suffer as a result of their actions. As long as they can become the image they are chasing after that to them is someone who brings happiness to others they don't care what price they have to pay themselves.
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2013-01-23, 01:48 | Link #23350 |
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The biggest difference between the two is that, Kamijou Touma must become his old self to keep the person close to him(parents, Index) happy, while Shirou do it because he wants too. Personally, I think the biggest problem with these two are they over-idolize their hero figure. Sure, we know that the old Touma is a busybody with strong sense of justice, but as we see in vol 1, the current Kamijou Touma has surpassed the old Kamijou Touma in his self-sacrifice, yet it feels that the new Kamijou feels that the old Kamijou is even more amazing that he is today. That is why even with all his accomplishment, the new Kamijou still willingly throw hs body for other, all for chasing after an idol who he already surpassed in reality.
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2013-01-23, 01:49 | Link #23351 | |
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But see, the thing with Kamijou is that never once did he think to himself- "What would the old Kamijou do?". He said that the old him continues to motivate the him now, but he never once used it as a reason to do what he does. Well that's one reason gone since Index already knows the truth.
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2013-01-23, 01:55 | Link #23352 | |
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considering heaven canceller is in AC. as long as they aren't completely dead anyone can be fixed back to being fully functional in some way shape or form. so yes it is holding back in a way |
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2013-01-23, 01:55 | Link #23353 | |
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For your second point, now that you mention it, we haven't seen any effect of that on our cast haven't we? It's like Kamachi forgot that he dropped the bomb already on old testament. Having index relegated to himegami-level presence doesn't help either |
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2013-01-23, 02:05 | Link #23357 | ||
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Just like how he feels about certain things regarding moe... EDIT: I can't find the exact quote, but I swore he said something to that effect
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2013-01-23, 02:05 | Link #23358 | |
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there was also terra still being alive for a couple mins even after aqua crushed half his body before he finally died. also the two aztec girl's bodies |
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2013-01-23, 02:07 | Link #23359 | |
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Even AC could not make Kakine whole, he had to do it himself. Mikoto doesn't have Dark Matter, so she can't recreate herself, and if it was forced upon her she would become unstable like that Kihara in a wheel chair. |
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