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2011-12-06, 15:57 | Link #143 | |
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2011-12-06, 16:03 | Link #144 | |
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2011-12-06, 16:07 | Link #145 | |
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edit: In my opinion in contrast to other people in the anime section , i think the bathing scene was rather the end of Airi's story instead of a continuation of her route |
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2011-12-06, 16:18 | Link #147 | |
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2011-12-06, 16:18 | Link #148 | |
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edit: as relentlessflame posted i also think she is considerate/nice towards her friends. Especially in episode 10 when she finally starts to meddle with Sana. edit: like i and others have posted earlier: friendship was also a theme at the beginning of Mashiphony (like the birthday scene that you thought that the anime could do without , but i disagree) and her joining the club was at the end nothing more than an act of friendship Last edited by hyl; 2011-12-06 at 16:30. |
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2011-12-06, 16:32 | Link #149 | |
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The problem arises in the openness of the scenes. She's given a reason from Shingo for why he didn't invite her but its on consideration and the little details he's noticed, its not anything that can be said to be conclusively platonic or not. (Perhaps her reply of "That's the kind of guy he is..." might be some sort of conclusion but rather vague as it can construed any number of ways based on the glasses you wore when the episode aired.) (And, in her shoes, wouldn't you take someone saying that to you, rather charming/endearing as opposed to the other way around?) You can definitely call it *payback*, no matter the way you analyze the scene, because no one can really say that she didn't do it *because of him* on some level, but there's no real conclusiveness as to whether or not that payback is for Shingo *only* or for everyone. In the former case, you could say she did it to be near him and pay him back for his kindness, or the latter that she's doing it to be with her friends for her friends and payback. Conversely, Sana's close was anything but subtle/confusing. |
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2011-12-06, 16:37 | Link #150 |
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If the scenes were not open, then anyone would have foreseen the girl that he end up with after episode 5. In the matter of fact, i still had no conclusive idea who Shingo ended up with untill the end of episode 8.
And Sana's close in the Miu story was never subtle to begin with in the VN o_o |
2011-12-06, 16:39 | Link #151 |
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I meant that, if you compare one close to what we're calling a *close* for the other, you can see the rather strong difference, and why one might seem/have seemed inconclusive. But, again, I do not think you should hide your main plot behind an inconclusive/vague other plot.
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2011-12-06, 16:43 | Link #152 |
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Right -- I think the reasons for Airi's decision were left open-ended on purpose because they wanted people to not know how the anime was going to end at that point. They could *easily* have continued down Airi's path at that point if they wanted to, but it wasn't the only option they could have taken. The only way we could have gotten insight into Airi's thoughts were to develop it in the following episode (for example, by showing her flustered by what had happened the night before), which is basically what they did in the game. The ambiguity here is necessary.
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2011-12-06, 16:46 | Link #153 | |
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edit: related to thinking that Shingo might be different edit: after rewatching that episode Airi was also a little flustered thinking about Shingo |
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2011-12-06, 16:56 | Link #155 |
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Yes and i mentioned my opinions and speculations about that scene a few posts earlier that the anime in a sense did something with that scene later on while at the same time it did nothing with it related to Airi's route.
The anime was quite open though, seeing that she only said that she needs to know that shingo is different, but she did not directly say different compared to who. Eventhough you can speculate at that point that it's men in general. |
2011-12-07, 06:07 | Link #156 |
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In retrospec: The most obvious sign that the anime's version of the bath scene would have lead to Airi's route, would be to see her heavily blushing and stuttering in school the next day. And likewise Shingo's awkward memory of "yesterday". Of course you can only think like that if you have played the VN before . In the VN the whole bath interaction created a lot more awkwardness between them (the whole sitting back-to-back with the occational physical touch/contact).
@the question of solving a bit of Airi's issues within MiuxShingo outcome: As relentlessflame said, if at all, the anime could use the whole school merger scenario. The remaining problems of Airi's route (specifically between her mother and her) are tightly tied in the ShingoxAiri moments à la "pillar of support" and "I want to become like you." |
2011-12-07, 15:13 | Link #157 |
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I speculate the school issue will be a remaining point which made me think of something.
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That's all I can think of that hasn't previously been discussed. I actually find this very plausible to occur. Game players, what do you think? I have no idea what happens in the game. |
2011-12-07, 15:22 | Link #158 |
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The merger didn't work only in Sakuno's story though. Also it's a plotdevice for her story to strenghten Sakuno's and Shingo's love for eachother.
To be honest i don't think the merger will fail, seeing that it would probably negatively effect the friendship of the characters and it seems more like a bad ending |
2011-12-07, 15:27 | Link #159 |
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The way the "school merging" plays out depends on route, so it's kinda hard to say which route they will take - there are alternatives. Ultimately it isn't very important in Miu's route or for her romance (she graduates soon anyway), so whether the merger happens or not depends on the type of message the writers want to send. In this way it's actually pretty handy they are using Miu's route, because they can treat the romance and school merging as two separate issues without one playing a large role on the other.
Either way, no, I don't expect there to be much school changing going on - people will stay where they are. Irregardless of whether the schools merge or not (I can't see them not merging though personally), new friendships and understanding will have blossomed from the time spent together up to now, and many people are better off for it.
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2011-12-07, 16:28 | Link #160 |
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Yes, if they explore the school merger issue, I expect that it will follow Airi's path, with the group all working together to form a petition in support of the merger, and Airi would be the one to lead that charge. This would actually make a good book-end to the anime as it ties directly back to the first episode and highlights the huge change in Airi's outlook on school, boys, and life in general. It also shows that, through this growth, she now has the confidence to face her mom in a small way (though of course this point won't be developed nearly as much as it was in the game). With the computer being highlighted in this past episode, and next episode being "Mashiro-iro Symphony", that's actually how I expect the anime to close off now, since it will tie up most of the loose ends.
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