2018-04-16, 01:43 | Link #8221 | |
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As for the tolling comments, I think I get what you mean.. Many mistakes or even lies have been riddle throught this LN. I've just put it down to bad writing since I cant decide if they are really lies or mistakes. Such things as I mentioned before, author saying one thing, then later changing his tune. Like you have the resurrection part where evileye explain about the loss of life force turns people into temp cripples, those who are even too weak become ash.. Ainz even ask if they can get back into the fight after resurrection and Evileye was "nup". Then they get resurrected and jump back into the fight fit as a fiddle. Was the time when Entroma was first introduced as a human girl..... turned out later shes an insect monster. Last night starting volume 9, said Leinas had a gold cloth over her face... turned out later the author telling us its now hair over her face. These are just example I can remember off my head. Setting lore/rules, then breaking them as the author is not a good look. And the authors favorite catch phrase seems to be "like a puppet with there strings cut" Thats everywhere so much I face palm now when I see it. Like its gotten stale. Anway so we wont meet that Heterocrhomatic girl, I not sure what to do. Volume 8 was dreadful, so I wonder if I should find it worth continuing. Well I started 9 for now, probably should try finish that at least. Hopefully more Narberal ? <3. Ainz hasnt really be impressing me tho, always just pretending to know shit but actually wanting the guardians to give him the answers. Hes not standing up as a leader (its the demirgure/guardian show). But it had been nice for a change, from those reincarnation loser MCs :/
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2018-04-16, 04:43 | Link #8223 |
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^^ IMHO it isn't so much of bad writing as a total disregard for planning. I kinda get that authors got a tight schedule for deadlines to meet, and I figured many of his material originate from the WN.
Nevertheless, I still hate getting baited with troll-rrings that just vanish without a trace for 10 whole volumes, like: "WTF happened to Clementine's corpse after she got killed and then disappeared from Vol 2.", or "WTF happened to Magic Kingdom (TM)'s new state-sponsored Adventurer's guild", etc. Yeah, I'm a stinger-junkie... |
2018-04-16, 06:46 | Link #8224 | |
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The emotion issue is one of the things I suspect that Suzuki Satoru made a wrong assumption about. I already presented a theory about that two pages or so earlier in this thread. At the very least it wouldn't be the first time that the narrator makes a false assumption. He also made a false assumption with the "Albion Sheep", though in this case the actual implication was not too hard to figure out. So with that precedent, it wouldn't be "too far fetched" to claim that it's because the author intentionally let the narrator make a false assumption rather than just having done "bad writing".
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2018-04-16, 07:27 | Link #8225 | |
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Just like the Royal Guards and King from HxH. One of the so-called loyal Guard was busy plotting to ruin his King's vision because the King doesn't act like the "King" that the said Royal Guard envisioned. Plus, wasn't that Albedo is also plotting something sinister behind Ainz too? Last edited by Sixth; 2018-04-16 at 08:39. |
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2018-04-16, 08:25 | Link #8226 | |
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2018-04-16, 10:45 | Link #8227 |
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I just had an entertaining thought... the Slane Theocracy was planning on using a dragon lord to use as vanguard against the SK. How funny would it be if Ainz killed it/found its corpse and rezzed it as his minion, only to use it against the ST.
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2018-04-16, 10:59 | Link #8228 | |
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2018-04-16, 11:20 | Link #8229 |
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that is the point "she is using her "own vision about what is right and wrong" to do something against ainz, for her she still being loyal to him but ofcourse this is not a action of someone loyal, the same could be said about the others, if ainz put a rule of "non kill humans" or which now the nazerick population must threat humans as "equals" it could start to conflict with they "personalities" and make some of them do something against him or by anger/frustration or by they "own vision" about what means right or wrong.
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2018-04-16, 13:11 | Link #8230 | |
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Aside from that, what's she done? She hides her harem room, but well, that's understandable. She also occasionally does various things to seduce him, but that's still pretty far from betraying him. Especially since she was made - by him - to love him. |
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2018-04-16, 13:36 | Link #8231 |
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I hate the idea of them betraying or going rogue,. It'd make me disappointed when they were specifically made to be loyal to the guild Ainz oowl Gown or specifically the 41 supreme beings. That should be in there default game settings. None of them have shown signs of going against this. Apart from the brainwashing/mind control that is. What ever Ainz says is like gold to them.
However, I could see Albedo locking Ainz up in a room, chained to a bed and her taking care of him and feeling him up. Precisely because shes a yandere type. That being said, I feel its "more likely" Albedos suspicious actions are more for a civil war amungsts NPCs, than betraying Ainz.
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that is the problem "it's no more a game" and they no have a "freewill", which lead them to do things by themselfs instead of just stand waiting for ainz orders, like i told sebas was a exemple of it being possible to happen, what's matter more is "how much freewill" they have outside they original program or how much they can evolve as individuals and make decisions by themselfs guided by they own way to see things. Quote:
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2018-04-16, 17:39 | Link #8234 | |
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2. My post was mainly about the fact that the narrator both makes mistakes (Albion Sheep) AND doesn't tell the audience everything (the switch with Pandora's Actor in vol. 6) and yet you ignore the whole post (about the unreliable narrator) just to make your point to refuse my theory which I only mentioned in passing, because you appearently don't like me and/or my theory and you didn't even explain why. Not neccessarily an inconsistency. The first quote is a line of narration, which, I assume, was at that time an omniscient narrator. I don't remember the exact context of the second quote, but I am sure it was during a discussion with participants who had strongly polarising affiliations (Royal faction vs noble faction), so I think that was just one faction trying to downplay the other.
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2018-04-16, 20:30 | Link #8236 |
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In vol.11 Ainz himself asked Aura that if his orders went against her creator wishes which one she would chose which gave her a hard time to answer meaning if Ainz's orders go against NPC's creators they might not fully obey. And in case of Sebas Blueknight78 he's said if he has to obey any order without questioning blindly that would be touch me he's not doubting
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2018-04-16, 23:13 | Link #8237 | |
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2018-04-16, 23:21 | Link #8238 | |
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It's possible for ainz actions make some of the denizes start to "not follow him" if his actions can affect they way they are made to behavios, like if they some them are psychopats with love killing and torture peoples and one day ainz decide to "order them to stop to do it", while at the beginner they could obey, overtime it could start to anger them since it goes against they nature, is like you trying to make someone which lived most of his life eating "meat" and force him goes full vegan against his will just because you ordered them to do, it can work in short time but a long time he will try to disobey and go for meat. They are no longer just "NPC"s, they are now living beings and now they can make they own decisions, while most of the times it will be for the sake of nazerick and ainz it could be for they own pleasure too and if they feel not geting anymore "love" from they bosses it can lead them to "disobey".
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2018-04-16, 23:35 | Link #8239 | |
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Anyway here is the text with a bit more context: Spoiler:
I can't be bothered to read back more, but this is most likely the first time these troops have seen Mare. And given that Mare is supposed to be a trap... Wasn't really planning on responding, but it's getting tiresome seeing these posts needlessly bashing the author. Also one of the key aspects of the story is the NPC's growth as actual people rather than following a predetermined set of algorithms back in the game era. And for the most part they are growing and capable of autonomous action with the exception of one simple fact. Their loyalty to their remaining God trumps everything else, especially after Shalltear's episode. So far the only exception to this is Albedo and hey it just so happens that she was the only one who had her settings tampered with. Who knew turning an insane slut to be YOUR insane slut could have such far-reaching consequences? |
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2018-04-16, 23:43 | Link #8240 | |
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