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Old 2015-10-03, 06:49   Link #21
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Nice first ep. I liked the first season so looking forward to this.
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Old 2015-10-03, 07:50   Link #22
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The Oral Cigarettes...good thing the band didn't call itself The Rectal Cigarettes.

...I'll see myself out now.
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Old 2015-10-03, 16:36   Link #23
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Nice reintroduction to the whole thing, it's been more than a year and I kind of turned off my brain after the whiny regalia arc so I don't remember much but reintroducing the main characters and some new ones this way was great! They're even jumping in without any delay.

I do remember something about Hiyori's condition though from the first season, if I'm not mistaken it was Kofuku who explained it, I do hope they resolve her condition by the end of this arc.
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Old 2015-10-03, 17:51   Link #24
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Episode 1
More Yato and his money collecting and subsequently wasting lol. They get to getting rid of more phantoms.

Bishamon likes saving the poor spirits out there and then takes them into her family. Just like what happened with Yato in the first season when Yukine turned bad, the same can happen to Bishamon since she has a ton of regalia and she can't possibly keep an eye on all of them so who knows what they might be doing. The dream we saw was most likely this exact thing. Bishamon's regalias went bad and caused those blights all over her and Yato came to eliminate the bad regalias since that was one way to save Bishamon. But Bishamon probably didn't like what Yato did since she probably wanted to save them too. Thus, she holds a grudge against Yato. Yato was doing the right thing in his own way. The scene in the OP where Bishamon is lying on someone's lap, who looks like Yato, could be something like the aftermath of Yato's action.

The OP reminded me that we still haven't seen much of that loli with the mask. She came towards the end. It's either that they didn't tell much about her or that my memory is failing me here.

The new guy who was preparing Bishamon's bath seems bad. The pink haired girl also looks like she'll turn bad and then things will end up just like that time many years ago when Bishamon got those blights.
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Old 2015-10-03, 18:22   Link #25
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Yato was doing the right thing in his own way.
What if someone killed Yukine instead of doing the ablution ritual like Yato wanted?

Honestly, I think only the jinki's master has the right to decide what to do with their jinki. No one else should have a say on that. Yato risked his life so Yukine wouldn't have to lose his. Don't you think Bishamon has right to risk her life for her jinki too?

All in all, even if Yato killed Bishamon's jinki to help her, I don't think what he did was the right thing to do.
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Old 2015-10-03, 19:59   Link #26
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The action sequences in this premiere wow, just wow. Bishamon switching from one weapon after another. Gun, whip, and then bigass sword. Then proceeds to blowing the phantoms like they're paper. It's especially cool to see Kazuma assisting her by revealing all the targets' vulnerable spot she can exploit during the fight. Sure, Yato and her folks antics were still quite funny, but the action scenes alone already sold me.
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Old 2015-10-04, 02:01   Link #27
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What if someone killed Yukine instead of doing the ablution ritual like Yato wanted?

Honestly, I think only the jinki's master has the right to decide what to do with their jinki. No one else should have a say on that. Yato risked his life so Yukine wouldn't have to lose his. Don't you think Bishamon has right to risk her life for her jinki too?

All in all, even if Yato killed Bishamon's jinki to help her, I don't think what he did was the right thing to do.
One situation could be that the regalias had completely turned into phantoms and couldn't be saved by the ablution ritual. Yato most likely saw the regalias as such. If not, then it was a hasty decision on his part. But judging by that one scene in the OP where Bishamon is lying on (probably) Yato's lap, it looks like there was no other way to save the regalias.
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Old 2015-10-04, 02:41   Link #28
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There were glimpses of some sort of web or tendrils or fleshy cocoon-type-thing around Bishamon and enveloping the Shinki calling out for her. (Made me think of something out of Prototype, really. Anyway.) They had probably already been completely absorbed into the phantom, it was just using their voices to try to guilt and torment her, because that's what phantoms do.

Leaving that aside, remember that it takes three Shinki to do the ablution ceremony on one corrupted Shinki. How many would it have taken to cleanse as many as Bishamon had? Would it even have been possible to find that many SHinki willing to risk themselves in the attempts, knowing that at least some of the rituals probably would fail and kill the ones attempting it instead? If they were corrupted so far as to have blighted her to that point, could Bishamon have even survived long enough for Yato to have gathered the required Shinki to help, even putting aside the question of whether that many Shinki would even have been available?
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Old 2015-10-04, 02:56   Link #29
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But judging by that one scene in the OP where Bishamon is lying on (probably) Yato's lap
Yato has blue eyes, that someone has green eyes. So... who has green eyes among Bishamon household and who is most close person to her?
Kazuma?
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Old 2015-10-04, 05:28   Link #30
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Yato has blue eyes, that someone has green eyes. So... who has green eyes among Bishamon household and who is most close person to her?
Kazuma?
The eye color isn't that clear in the scene. Could be green or any other color. Yato's old look when seen from a distance looks exactly like that "someone". He didn't come off as Kazuma to me. Oh well, time will tell what that scene is about.

If it is Kazuma then it would tell why the two are so close. Kazuma probably being her first regalia after the incident with Yato or the only regalia who survived that incident and didn't go bad.
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Old 2015-10-04, 09:28   Link #31
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Leaving that aside, remember that it takes three Shinki to do the ablution ceremony on one corrupted Shinki. How many would it have taken to cleanse as many as Bishamon had? Would it even have been possible to find that many SHinki willing to risk themselves in the attempts, knowing that at least some of the rituals probably would fail and kill the ones attempting it instead? If they were corrupted so far as to have blighted her to that point, could Bishamon have even survived long enough for Yato to have gathered the required Shinki to help, even putting aside the question of whether that many Shinki would even have been available?
It's all the same. No one should middle between a god and their shinki. If Bishamon didn't want to kill them, I don't think anyone had the right to do it in her place.

Also, don't forget that this is all speculation. We don't really know if Yato killed those shinki to help Bishamon. For all we know, he just killed them because he wanted and the shinki started to corrupt themselves (and Bishamon) out of despair.

In fact, that actually sounds more plausible to me, because I don't think Yato would go out of his to save another god (or person) if said god didn't want to be saved. Even the current Yato probably wouldn't do that.
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Old 2015-10-04, 11:18   Link #32
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Or... the more logical possibility is that Yato was doing his job. Odd jobs aside, Yato does get requests to kill Ayakashi like from Tenjin in S1.
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Old 2015-10-04, 11:24   Link #33
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It's all the same. No one should middle between a god and their shinki. If Bishamon didn't want to kill them, I don't think anyone had the right to do it in her place.
It's a point of significant debate. Should he have allowed Bishamon to die? Dying to the blight, could she have even been reborn, or were her own soul have been corrupted and destroyed forever? Even if she wished to do so, it's the same argument as to whether or not you let a suicidal person kill themselves, knowing that they are not in their right mind. And even if he ignored the situation and let her die, the corrupted Shinki would have turned into phantoms, and someone would have had to kill them anyway. Refusing to kill them spares no one, and costs not just Bishamon's life, but the lives of all the many she is needed to save and guide.

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In fact, that actually sounds more plausible to me, because I don't think Yato would go out of his to save another god (or person) if said god didn't want to be saved. Even the current Yato probably wouldn't do that.
Maybe not on his own, but he might if he was asked or begged to do so, by someone who now states he owes Yato a debt he can never repay.
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Old 2015-10-04, 11:59   Link #34
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It's a point of significant debate. Should he have allowed Bishamon to die?
It's not up to him to decide.

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Dying to the blight, could she have even been reborn, or were her own soul have been corrupted and destroyed forever?
She would be reborn. Gods aren't dead people. They exist because of human wishes. A popular god like Bishamon would be reborn no matter what happens to her.

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Refusing to kill them spares no one, and costs not just Bishamon's life, but the lives of all the many she is needed to save and guide.
First, you don't know that. We don't have nearly enough context to claim her jinki couldn't be saved. Second, gods are above moral concerns. Yato killed humans before and no one can judge him, because he's a god. So no one could blame Bishamon if her decisions put human lives in danger. She's a god.

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Maybe not on his own, but he might if he was asked or begged to do so, by someone who now states he owes Yato a debt he can never repay.
Then the criminal is the one who asked Yato to do it. If that was Kazuma, then as a human and a shinki, he can be judged and it's up to Bishamon to do it. Too bad he's too much a coward to reveal the truth and face Bishamon's judgment (provided he really was the one who asked Yato).
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Old 2015-10-04, 12:27   Link #35
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It's not up to him to decide.
Isn't it? I repeat: this is the suicide debate all over again. You're not going to get a consensus on this. People have been debating the ethics of allowing someone to kill themselves for centuries.

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First, you don't know that. We don't have nearly enough context to claim her jinki couldn't be saved.
My comments build off each other, so taking them out of context removes the validity of your counterarguments. The statement was predicated on the situation being as I theorized: that the Shinki were corrupted beyond saving. That is based on the fact that Bishamon was visibly even more terribly blighted than Yato was during Yukine's ablution ceremony. Yukine had been corrupted to the point where he was seconds away from never being able to return. If Bishamon was worse than Yato, her Shinki were likely worse than Yukine.

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She would be reborn. Gods aren't dead people. They exist because of human wishes. A popular god like Bishamon would be reborn no matter what happens to her.
I have not read the source, however the anime's treatment of the blight acts like it is a malaise that harms not simply the body, but the soul. I would not dismiss the idea of such a thing being able to destroy a god permanently, no matter what else would normally happen to them. If there is information countering this, I will hear it.

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So no one could blame Bishamon if her decisions put human lives in danger. She's a god.
Only by their strict legal definitions. They aren't held accountable by sins upon their souls, no, because there is no higher authority to do so. But plenty of people who knew her could and would blame her if her decisions put innocent lives in danger. People do not need greater authority than someone to judge them when they do evil. Yato is a god, yet his actions are judged as evil, wrong, or misguided all the time. You're doing it right now. Yet you deny the right to treat Bishamon equally? Don't be a hypocrite.
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Old 2015-10-05, 02:43   Link #36
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I just wanna say that I freakin' love the OP (and the ED). Maybe it's just excitement over Noragami finally being back, but man. That thing is catchy as hell!
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Old 2015-10-05, 17:20   Link #37
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Didn't know that they would have a second season.

Must watch this.
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Old 2015-10-05, 20:22   Link #38
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This season is immediately 10000000x better because it focuses on Bishamon. Fuckin awesome.
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Old 2015-10-09, 12:52   Link #39
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Episode 2:

Good episode but pacing felt kinda slow...
Hmm, I think the episode establishes the fact that Bishamon cares about her Shiki quite well and has a fear of losing them.

Glad to see Yukine happy though after making a new friend. And this episode also builds more on the ominous nature of this arc involving Bishamon with that ending. I can't wait to see how the story will develop here.

Hmm, getting used to the new OP song now. I'm starting to like it as well.
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Old 2015-10-09, 13:26   Link #40
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This season is immediately 10000000x better because it focuses on Bishamon. Fuckin awesome.
Bishamon is a very interesting character, so the focus is welcome. Her doctor seems a bit fishy though (then again, I did just watch god eater), and the whole "I have so many regalias I need a freaking mansion to house them all" has left her more vulnerable than I'd like her to be...still, the Yato encounter is inevitable - what will she decide then and how will everyone else react?
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