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quigonkenny · 2017-03-25, 14:25

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

Where they go from here is unclear. Save of course to eventually the Battle of Scarif in Rogue One.

The end of season 5, I'd assume.

Ithekro · 2017-03-25, 15:29

That is the assumption.

The question is what to put between the End of Season Three and the End of Season Five?

Spoiler for "Speculation based on Zero Hour" as well as details:

We can gather that the remains of Phoenix Squadron and the Ghost crew are moving in with Dodonna on Yavin IV. They didn't get away with a lot of stuff. A few transports full of people, one or two corvette sized ships from Soto's command and a ship or two from Dodonna's fleet. All their local large ships were destroyed this episode. Only one in trade for a large Imperial ship.

The only victory of sorts in this episode that didn't cost the Rebels people and equipment was Sabine and Ezra's Mandalorian attack on the Interdictor. That worked more or less flawlessly.

Thrawn could have easily wiped them out, but was under orders from Grand Moff Tarkin to take prisoners to make examples of. Thus the need for a ground assault. Even that worked out well for Thrawn until the Bendu arrived. That is the usual pattern for Thrawn though. He can and does outthink his opponents until and unless and unexpected factor enters the picture. Something he does not know about, or someone unexpected arrives. If he'd been in orbit, he could likely have fought off the Mandelorians and Sabine Wren, artist. But the Bendu was something outside his knowledge. So it makes sense that Thrawn was tripped up that that, and even then, he defeated the threat of the Bendu, but lost the Rebels doing so.

I doubt the Emperor or even Tarkin will be displeased by this turn of events. The defeat was not utter, but a huge number of Rebels and their ships were destroyed with only a handful escaping, largely due to the incompetence of the late Admiral Konstintine and slightly less incompetent Governor Pryce. Thrawn's defeat will be later. How much later is unclear. He is an overwhelming enemy. Like Vader, to be used sparingly. Vader as the protection of a known future. Thrawn doesn't have that protection, but it is clear that he can outthink the Rebels he has faced so far. I am not sure the likes of the Mon Calamari Admirals will be able to face down the blue man.

As they get closer to Rogue One, they will introduce more from that film. That they Ghost crew is going to Yavin means that at some point they have to bring in the X-wings. We still have not seen one in Rebels. If Dodonna had them, I would have thought they would have come along to take out Lothal. So it might be the Rebels don't have X-wings yet. Maybe the X-wings will tie into the U-wings as we get closer to Rogue One. Both are Incom products. I speculate that the Ghost will become a major component of the Fleet, and/or their go to for special missions. The reason they don't go to Jedha being that they are recovering for something to do with Princess Leia and the reason the Tantive IV is damaged prior to the Battle of Scarif (instead of just leaving for Tatooine on its own). That and in Rogue One the Phantom (whichever version they have by then) is gone. Only the Ghost is at Scarif.

Tenzen12 · 2017-03-26, 01:36

Is he truly unprotected though? If Thrawn is canon he might brought his plot threats and eventual demise with him from EU, even if some minor changes might be necessary.

Ithekro · 2017-03-26, 05:51

The situation has changed a lot, so Thrawn's fate is an unknown. He may be canon, but the story of his ending is EU. If his fate was still set, it takes place roughly seven to eight years after the current events in Rebels, in a time period that is presently entirely unknown in the current canon. The current canon goes to just a year or so after Return of the Jedi, and then jumps decades into the future to about six years before The Force Awakens. There is a huge gap of unknown that basically reads as "the galaxy was at peace".

Tenzen12 · 2017-03-26, 06:32

Which actually give him much longer life expectancy and thicker plot armor imho.

Ithekro · 2017-03-26, 08:39

It might, but because of so much of the old EU being removed, Thrawn's plot armor is gone, as the situation he was in for the stories is also gone. As for as the current canon goes, the Empire surrendered after the Battle of Jakku and what became the First Order disappeared into the Unknown Regions and didn't become a threat until shortly before The Force Awakens.

Now Thrawn might have been sent into the Unknown Regions and remained their at the end of the war. He could have helped form the First Order, or been killed fighting the great threat that is supposedly out there, as Thrawn seems to have come into the Empire's service specifically to defend his people from a great threat. He figured that helping Palpatine would get Imperial Naval forces into the region to defend his people (this is from the new canon, which sounds similar to the EU take, just later in the timeline and likely without the extra-galactic invasion fleet coming)

It is also possible Thrawn dies before the Battle of Yavin. It is equally possible he was ordered to take the Super Star Destroyer Eclipse and head into the Unknown Regions on the Emperor's Death. We will see as the Sequels and Rebels come out over the next few years. By 2020, we should know Thrawn's fate, or have the opening to tell more of his stories.

Key Board · 2017-03-26, 10:52

as this episode showed, Thrawn

Spoiler:

If he's going to die in this new canon it will probably from Galactic Empire infighting

The way I interpreted the Bendu vision is

Spoiler:

Mach56gs · 2017-03-28, 17:09

I think the trajectory of Season 4 is pretty obvious:

Thrawn is still on the hunt, I believe. He knows that a portion of the rebels escaped, and he knows they were aided by Clan Wren. Thus he'll begin to get involved with Clan Saxon's dispute with Clan Wren as a bid to draw the Rebels out of hiding.

I also am quite sure that we'll see inquisitors again. After the events of the Bendu and his premonition, Thrawn will likely report to Darth Vader and understand the need to employ warriors that can combat the "Jedi Devilry".

On the Rebels side, it will probably feel like square one for a bit. Then again, it might be a jump in time and Yavin base will have been established. Kallus will probably serve as a Ryder, setting up the Fulcrum network and probably recruiting the Ghost Crew in an episode that includes a Cassian cameo. Maybe they find our dry K2-SO droid as well?!

Mandalore has been confirmed as a setting by Rebels Recon, as well as the fracturing relationship between Mon Mothma and Saw Gurerra. I'm excited at the possibility that Ezra might finally get a jetpack!

Simply put: Season 4 is going to be dynamite.

quigonkenny · 2017-03-28, 22:57

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Originally Posted by Mach56gs

Maybe they find our dry K2-SO droid as well?!

Best part about that idea is that Alan Tudyk likes to do voice acting.

Tenzen12 · 2017-03-30, 05:18

Nah, I doubt we will get same antagonist two season in row. Thrawn will probably send to outer regions now that is rebelion almost finished and we get new threat.

If possible with red hairs and telepathic connection with Palpatine.

Yoxall · 2017-04-15, 22:08

Trailer for the final season of Rebels

YouTube

https://youtu.be/-b7GAhnVwhA

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AntonKutovoi · 2017-04-15, 23:17

They also confirmed Rukh's appearance, so I guess Thrawn is going to die.

quigonkenny · 2017-04-16, 02:15

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Originally Posted by AntonKutovoi

They also confirmed Rukh's appearance, so I guess Thrawn is going to die.

Not necessarily. Or at least not necessarily during the season. He might be sent off with Rukh as his bodyguard, leaving open the possibility for some version of the EU Thrawn Trilogy in canon down the road. I'd just about guarantee it if they tie in Rukh's (and the rest of the Noghri's) relationship with Vader, and given the background in the scene that is likely our introduction to him, I'd say that's a definite possibility...

Warwick Davis voicing him though. Wouldn't have thought of that, but I think it'll work.

Ithekro · 2017-04-16, 04:40

Rukh's voice was described as whispery I seem to recall. Maybe my memory is off, but that's sort of what I remember.

Also I would hope they don't kill off Thrawn just because they introduce Rukh. Again the reasoning for the assassination was something specific and again only tied to the Skywalker lineage, Darth Vader, and his kids. While that could come up....Leia has been in Rebels before, I don't see that going down so fast without us also getting a lot of Vader during the season. But even then, the only reason for the assassination was a betrayal of trust and someone getting the knowledge of who Leia Organa's family really is.

But also, X-wings!

(One other thing of note from the panel....Dave Filioni has been wearing a black T-shirt that says "Ahsoka Lives ?" the entire convention. He's even pointed it out and made a bit of fun of it. At the end of the panel, after the first viewing of the trailer...he is standing behind a chair...with a different shirt on. A black T-shirt that reads "Ahsoka Lives !")

quigonkenny · 2017-04-16, 19:53

Oh, yeah. Ahsoka is totally coming back.

MrTerrorist · 2017-08-13, 22:38

So Starkiller from the Force Unleashed videogame was going to appear in Rebels at one point.

Yoxall · 2018-01-19, 13:36

Final half of Rebels comes back on February 19th.

YouTube

https://youtu.be/-jWIDwq44ZI

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Yoxall · 2018-02-20, 01:33

What a two-part episode to come back to.

Spoiler for Ep. 10 ending and ep. 11 comments:

Ithekro · 2018-02-20, 16:27

Two weeks left. Four episodes. That's not a lot of time really. Best guess is that the Rebels drive the Empire off Lothal, mostly because Thrawn doesn't need it anymore and whatever is in the temple is lost to Palpatine, making it a worthless world for the Empire....though they might Base Delta Zero the place.

I imagine its three episodes of story and one of reflection after the fact....either on Endor or Yavin

I half expect the last scene to be Hera on Yavin talking about all they did, all they tried to do, but the Death Star is out there, what hope is left....than Scariff is under attack. Hope remains.

That or Hera on Endor following the battle looking on....in the end, Hope won.

Kyero Fox · 2018-02-26, 12:47

This is still going on? How much longer can they milk this junk

(Star Wars in general not the show being junk)

2017-03-25, 15:29	Link #62
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	That is the assumption. The question is what to put between the End of Season Three and the End of Season Five? Spoiler for "Speculation based on Zero Hour" as well as details: We can gather that the remains of Phoenix Squadron and the Ghost crew are moving in with Dodonna on Yavin IV. They didn't get away with a lot of stuff. A few transports full of people, one or two corvette sized ships from Soto's command and a ship or two from Dodonna's fleet. All their local large ships were destroyed this episode. Only one in trade for a large Imperial ship. The only victory of sorts in this episode that didn't cost the Rebels people and equipment was Sabine and Ezra's Mandalorian attack on the Interdictor. That worked more or less flawlessly. Thrawn could have easily wiped them out, but was under orders from Grand Moff Tarkin to take prisoners to make examples of. Thus the need for a ground assault. Even that worked out well for Thrawn until the Bendu arrived. That is the usual pattern for Thrawn though. He can and does outthink his opponents until and unless and unexpected factor enters the picture. Something he does not know about, or someone unexpected arrives. If he'd been in orbit, he could likely have fought off the Mandelorians and Sabine Wren, artist. But the Bendu was something outside his knowledge. So it makes sense that Thrawn was tripped up that that, and even then, he defeated the threat of the Bendu, but lost the Rebels doing so. I doubt the Emperor or even Tarkin will be displeased by this turn of events. The defeat was not utter, but a huge number of Rebels and their ships were destroyed with only a handful escaping, largely due to the incompetence of the late Admiral Konstintine and slightly less incompetent Governor Pryce. Thrawn's defeat will be later. How much later is unclear. He is an overwhelming enemy. Like Vader, to be used sparingly. Vader as the protection of a known future. Thrawn doesn't have that protection, but it is clear that he can outthink the Rebels he has faced so far. I am not sure the likes of the Mon Calamari Admirals will be able to face down the blue man. As they get closer to Rogue One, they will introduce more from that film. That they Ghost crew is going to Yavin means that at some point they have to bring in the X-wings. We still have not seen one in Rebels. If Dodonna had them, I would have thought they would have come along to take out Lothal. So it might be the Rebels don't have X-wings yet. Maybe the X-wings will tie into the U-wings as we get closer to Rogue One. Both are Incom products. I speculate that the Ghost will become a major component of the Fleet, and/or their go to for special missions. The reason they don't go to Jedha being that they are recovering for something to do with Princess Leia and the reason the Tantive IV is damaged prior to the Battle of Scarif (instead of just leaving for Tatooine on its own). That and in Rogue One the Phantom (whichever version they have by then) is gone. Only the Ghost is at Scarif. __________________

2017-03-26, 01:36	Link #63
Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Is he truly unprotected though? If Thrawn is canon he might brought his plot threats and eventual demise with him from EU, even if some minor changes might be necessary. __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

2017-03-26, 05:51	Link #64
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	The situation has changed a lot, so Thrawn's fate is an unknown. He may be canon, but the story of his ending is EU. If his fate was still set, it takes place roughly seven to eight years after the current events in Rebels, in a time period that is presently entirely unknown in the current canon. The current canon goes to just a year or so after Return of the Jedi, and then jumps decades into the future to about six years before The Force Awakens. There is a huge gap of unknown that basically reads as "the galaxy was at peace". __________________

2017-03-26, 06:32	Link #65
Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Which actually give him much longer life expectancy and thicker plot armor imho. __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

2017-03-26, 08:39	Link #66
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	It might, but because of so much of the old EU being removed, Thrawn's plot armor is gone, as the situation he was in for the stories is also gone. As for as the current canon goes, the Empire surrendered after the Battle of Jakku and what became the First Order disappeared into the Unknown Regions and didn't become a threat until shortly before The Force Awakens. Now Thrawn might have been sent into the Unknown Regions and remained their at the end of the war. He could have helped form the First Order, or been killed fighting the great threat that is supposedly out there, as Thrawn seems to have come into the Empire's service specifically to defend his people from a great threat. He figured that helping Palpatine would get Imperial Naval forces into the region to defend his people (this is from the new canon, which sounds similar to the EU take, just later in the timeline and likely without the extra-galactic invasion fleet coming) It is also possible Thrawn dies before the Battle of Yavin. It is equally possible he was ordered to take the Super Star Destroyer Eclipse and head into the Unknown Regions on the Emperor's Death. We will see as the Sequels and Rebels come out over the next few years. By 2020, we should know Thrawn's fate, or have the opening to tell more of his stories. __________________

2017-03-26, 10:52	Link #67
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	as this episode showed, Thrawn Spoiler: failed due to insubordination (and unaccounted supernatural events) If he's going to die in this new canon it will probably from Galactic Empire infighting The way I interpreted the Bendu vision is Spoiler: Thrawn will die from betrayal of those surrounding him(many arms clawing at him?) __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2017-03-28, 17:09	Link #68
Mach56gs Do-Gooder Join Date: Jul 2012	I think the trajectory of Season 4 is pretty obvious: Thrawn is still on the hunt, I believe. He knows that a portion of the rebels escaped, and he knows they were aided by Clan Wren. Thus he'll begin to get involved with Clan Saxon's dispute with Clan Wren as a bid to draw the Rebels out of hiding. I also am quite sure that we'll see inquisitors again. After the events of the Bendu and his premonition, Thrawn will likely report to Darth Vader and understand the need to employ warriors that can combat the "Jedi Devilry". On the Rebels side, it will probably feel like square one for a bit. Then again, it might be a jump in time and Yavin base will have been established. Kallus will probably serve as a Ryder, setting up the Fulcrum network and probably recruiting the Ghost Crew in an episode that includes a Cassian cameo. Maybe they find our dry K2-SO droid as well?! Mandalore has been confirmed as a setting by Rebels Recon, as well as the fracturing relationship between Mon Mothma and Saw Gurerra. I'm excited at the possibility that Ezra might finally get a jetpack! Simply put: Season 4 is going to be dynamite. __________________

2017-03-30, 05:18	Link #70
Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Nah, I doubt we will get same antagonist two season in row. Thrawn will probably send to outer regions now that is rebelion almost finished and we get new threat. If possible with red hairs and telepathic connection with Palpatine. __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

2017-04-15, 22:08	Link #71
Yoxall Finest Crusade Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Alteria (Real Earth)	Trailer for the final season of Rebels YouTube https://youtu.be/-b7GAhnVwhA Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Spoiler: Looks like we're getting busy in this last season. Preparing Saw Garrera, Yavin IV, and Hera for Rogue One. We even get some Mandalorian stuff with Bo Katan's return. Kallus' new rebel look tho. __________________ AVATAR BY KAIHAN and SIGNATURE BY RIKIKAI

2017-04-15, 23:17	Link #72
AntonKutovoi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Vladimir, Russia Age: 30	They also confirmed Rukh's appearance, so I guess Thrawn is going to die.

2017-04-16, 04:40	Link #74
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Rukh's voice was described as whispery I seem to recall. Maybe my memory is off, but that's sort of what I remember. Also I would hope they don't kill off Thrawn just because they introduce Rukh. Again the reasoning for the assassination was something specific and again only tied to the Skywalker lineage, Darth Vader, and his kids. While that could come up....Leia has been in Rebels before, I don't see that going down so fast without us also getting a lot of Vader during the season. But even then, the only reason for the assassination was a betrayal of trust and someone getting the knowledge of who Leia Organa's family really is. But also, X-wings! (One other thing of note from the panel....Dave Filioni has been wearing a black T-shirt that says "Ahsoka Lives ?" the entire convention. He's even pointed it out and made a bit of fun of it. At the end of the panel, after the first viewing of the trailer...he is standing behind a chair...with a different shirt on. A black T-shirt that reads "Ahsoka Lives !") __________________ Last edited by Ithekro; 2017-04-16 at 05:04.

2017-04-16, 19:53	Link #75
quigonkenny Sav'aaq! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hyrule Age: 51	Oh, yeah. Ahsoka is totally coming back. __________________ FGO Info: (JP) 055835281 \| クワイガンケニー ==== (EN) 952525630 \| quigonkenny

2017-08-13, 22:38	Link #76
MrTerrorist Takao Tsundere Cruiser Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Classified	So Starkiller from the Force Unleashed videogame was going to appear in Rebels at one point. __________________

2018-01-19, 13:36	Link #77
Yoxall Finest Crusade Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Alteria (Real Earth)	Final half of Rebels comes back on February 19th. YouTube https://youtu.be/-jWIDwq44ZI Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Spoiler for Trailer stuff: New stuff at 1:21 mark. From what I see, we're getting the war on Lothal between the Lothal rebels and Thrawn's army. Kanan gets a nice shave and a haircut lol. So weird seeing him without a beard after all this time. Gregor and Wolfe come back to help with the resistance as well as Rex in his Endor uniform (cuz that's canon now apparently). Ezra will have a face-off with the Emperor in some form of the force and will come into contact with a wall(?) inscribed with drawings of the Father, Daughter, and Son from TCW. Trailer ends with Ezra talking to a force ghost (maybe Ahsoka?) and a shot of him with the force wolves. __________________ AVATAR BY KAIHAN and SIGNATURE BY RIKIKAI

2018-02-20, 01:33	Link #78
Yoxall Finest Crusade Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Alteria (Real Earth)	What a two-part episode to come back to. Spoiler for Ep. 10 ending and ep. 11 comments: RIP Caleb Dume/Kanan Jarrus. I knew his death was coming but not in the episode we came back to. :'( While I did like that one comedic scene with what Sabine and Zeb did to Rukh in episode 11, I'm not sure if it was the right time for it considering what the previous episode ended of with. Ezra and Hera's scenes were more on the serious side as both of them cope for the lost of their friend. __________________ AVATAR BY KAIHAN and SIGNATURE BY RIKIKAI Last edited by Yoxall; 2018-02-20 at 01:48.

2018-02-20, 16:27	Link #79
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Two weeks left. Four episodes. That's not a lot of time really. Best guess is that the Rebels drive the Empire off Lothal, mostly because Thrawn doesn't need it anymore and whatever is in the temple is lost to Palpatine, making it a worthless world for the Empire....though they might Base Delta Zero the place. I imagine its three episodes of story and one of reflection after the fact....either on Endor or Yavin I half expect the last scene to be Hera on Yavin talking about all they did, all they tried to do, but the Death Star is out there, what hope is left....than Scariff is under attack. Hope remains. That or Hera on Endor following the battle looking on....in the end, Hope won. __________________

2018-02-26, 12:47	Link #80
Kyero Fox Tastes Cloudy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Snake Way Age: 35	This is still going on? How much longer can they milk this junk (Star Wars in general not the show being junk) __________________