Log Horizon - Episode 18 Discussion / Poll

[ookamigirl]

Princess and Akiba.
It was about time for her to see how the other side lives.
She sure became popular fast ^^
The new outfit was very nice too.
Guess she came to ask for help.
Lucky her everyone was hungry of a good event.
Good episode.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by HandofFate

Not really sure why they had to make such a big scene for the Princess to request help.

I mean, do the adventurers really need a reason not to? It looks like everyone is still 'playing' and hunting and grew accustomed to it. By now, I'm sure even the most cautious adventurers are bored of just eating burgers everyday now. I think most would have joined anyway out of boredom.

If it's worth doing, it's worth over doing.

It's funny you should say that because getting people hyped up and pumped with the right atmosphere is like gaming 101. Make it a big deal and people would give it their all.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by J4n1

For the most part it was fairly decent episode.
But again i felt like Raynesia's speech was less impressive than it was in the novels (content might have changed a bit as well, though i would have to check to be sure).
Shiroe's speech seemed more obvious in egging adventurers to act than it was in the novels (don't think he added "if we care only about ourselves" in the LN, which makes it so much more obvious he is trying to manipulate people).
And the landers seemed lot less spooked about Occypete than they were in the novels.

If i remember correct Shiroe intend wasn't manipulate adventurers directly, but provocate princess to make bold and reckless speach, WHICH would make whole crowd fall for her.

Shiroe act overaly very cold toward her.

[aohige]

Did you guys notice that "Castle Cinderella" in Maihama with fireworks going on in the back?
Maihama is where Tokyo Disneyland is located.

Mamare tweeted feigning innocence.

[J4n1]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

If i remember correct Shiroe intend wasn't manipulate adventurers directly, but provocate princess to make bold and reckless speach, WHICH would make whole crowd fall for her.

Shiroe act overaly very cold toward her.

I think it was bit of column A, a bit of column B thing.

On one hand, it provokes the princess to make bold statements and heartfelt pleas.

And on the other hand it also shows him as the unfeeling asshole willing to watch thousands of people die while sitting on his thumbs, and you don't want to be an unfeeling asshole, right?

The anime speech, was lot more overtly manipulative, and left him looking lot better to those not aware of his manipulations.
And that, imo, lessens his character.

[Netto Azure]

Hmm, It's quite an engaging episode. Princess Raynesia exhorting the adventurers to help her "defend their freedom." You could just see how she views with respect the vast gulf in belief systems between the Adventurers and Landers.

"What does it mean to be a noble if even ordinary soldiers are this knowledgeable?" The old feudal system and the republic of the the adventurers really does stand out here.

Anyways yeah everyone went for Souji LOL. The West Wind Brigade members were all jelly. XD

And hot damn that Berserker Krusty. I really like these types xP

[The Green One]

Soujirou leveled up his Pheromones skill just a teensie bit too high.....

[Saber Cherry]

Hime kawaii desu~

Shiroe should really mention to people that there are risks from dying.

[The Green One]

That information has the potential to cause panic if revealed carelessly. I'd imagine it's being kept on a strictly need to know basis. The fact that there hasn't already been widespread panic about memory loss is no one has died enough to cause significant harm to themselves yet. I'm sure the information will be revealed eventually, but through a carefully controlled fashion to ease people into it instead of just dropping a verbal bombshell on them leading to trouble.

[Saber Cherry]

Still, it's immoral for him to ask them to join an 'event' under false pretenses.

[jpwong]

Originally Posted by The Green One

That information has the potential to cause panic if revealed carelessly. I'd imagine it's being kept on a strictly need to know basis. The fact that there hasn't already been widespread panic about memory loss is no one has died enough to cause significant harm to themselves yet. I'm sure the information will be revealed eventually, but through a carefully controlled fashion to ease people into it instead of just dropping a verbal bombshell on them leading to trouble.

Given what they've said so far about it, someone would probably need to die a lot for the people around them to notice anything was out of the ordinary. I'm guessing no one has had the opportunity to die something like 50+ times yet. Crusty is probably one of the people who's died more than average and he's only been killed a few times.

[J4n1]

Originally Posted by Saber Cherry

Still, it's immoral for him to ask them to join an 'event' under false pretenses.

And?
Shiroe is not a traditional hero, he does not do the morally upright things, he does the effective things, and that includes making not all morally righteous choices when he deems them necessary.

Some adventurers might loose some memories opposed to tens of thousands of humans DYING, choice seems pretty obvious from purely pragmatic point of view.

[SeijiSensei]

Originally Posted by aohige

Did you guys notice that "Castle Cinderella" in Maihama with fireworks going on in the back?
Maihama is where Tokyo Disneyland is located.

I wondered about that. Thanks for pointing out the reference. It makes it much more amusing knowing the Disneyland connection.

Originally Posted by Netto Azure

"What does it mean to be a noble if even ordinary soldiers are this knowledgeable?" The old feudal system and the republic of the the adventurers really does stand out here.

I thought that was one of the more important developments in the story. Will Lenessia become an advocate for a more democratic form of government in Eastal even though she is "just a girl?" Lenessia appears as impressed by the Adventurers being free to travel as by their obviously greater powers.

Originally Posted by Saber Cherry

Still, it's immoral for him to ask them to join an 'event' under false pretenses.

I appreciate your raising this issue, but I don't think the situation is all that life-threatening. Only level 40+ players can participate, and there are only 108 players overall plus the various bigwigs. I'd imagine all these Adventurers will be pretty strong; they could all be well above level 40 if Crusty, et. al., selected the top candidates from the pool of volunteers. I don't get the sense the goblins are an especially dangerous enemy; if anything they're fodder for the Adventurers.

I agree with you that Shiroe needs to come clean before recruiting players for a quest that might lead to them dying in-game and losing some memories in real-life. I don't think the goblin quest qualifies.

Originally Posted by Gundamx

and I think it's not jealousy but she just talk to her like NPC.

Thanks for reminding me of that. As a viewer I see the NPCs as humans and forget that the Adventurers have a different perspective. What I heard as jealousy may just have been annoyance at having to deal with an NPC. Still it's hard to see anyone thinking that Lenessia is just a puppet of the game designers. Her behavior seems too complex and "human" for that to be true.

[Entravity]

This huge metaevent is going to be awesome. I've always wanted to see something like this.

[The Green One]

Yet the Adventurers can't judge huddle behind Akiba's walls paralyzed of fear of losing their memories. That's just living death. I'm sure everyone will be told about memories soon enough but remember the Goblin event started before there was ever a chance to do this tactfully. There just hasn't been time. Also remember that it's already been proven that a few deaths isn't going to do significant damage to their memories. Even Krusty didn't realize what was happening until Shiroe revealed it and helped him connect the dots.
Considering the amount of distance they have to travel to fight the Goblin horde the most each adventurer has to risk is a single death, maybe two tops if the war drags on. Goblins themselves are fairly low level monsters, the army is only really dangerous as there's a crap load of them. A small army of adventurers should have little trouble crushing them.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Netto Azure

"What does it mean to be a noble if even ordinary soldiers are this knowledgeable?" The old feudal system and the republic of the the adventurers really does stand out here.

Hmmm, even way back in Zero no Tsukaima (season 1) I've always liked seeing feudal era folks get their minds blown and their perceptions about the world thrown out the window

[ices]

Maybe it's already stated in the Anime when Michitaka help shiroe remodelled log horizons' new guild, but just in case...

Originally Posted by LonerGothOnline

Spoiler for LN Knowledge trivia: How hard is it to build Ocypete:

volume 2, michitaka was doing the stairs for log horizons' new guild, an previously abandoned building:

"we can make things easily with the game menus, then combine them using manual labour to do things not in the menus."

in other words, they can do things, like lifting heavy objects without machinery, and bash things together without tools, and make items extremely fast thanks to menus... so it becomes difficult to gauge prices and labour costs, because its going to be easier and extremely cheap to do tasks that would be extremly tough in reality, so its actually harder to price things... like stairs.

and from this we can assume, that, making freaking huge ships is substantially easier than in reality, because you can have high heat from summoned creatures, and lift heavy objects easilly.... and if a ship is merely comprised of adequately placed "metal sheets" in parts, some of which are curved... than its now a days effort to make a huge ship, virtually by hand....

it probably takes longer to plan the schematic than it is to make and put together the pieces...

[velvet nightmare]

Originally Posted by ices

Maybe it's already stated in the Anime when Michitaka help shiroe remodelled log horizons' new guild, but just in case...

any idea if there has been anything on firearms, maybe it's just me but that would be the first thing i'd think of making.

[Netto Azure]

Originally Posted by velvet nightmare

any idea if there has been anything on firearms, maybe it's just me but that would be the first thing i'd think of making.

Its been discussed already. But with the adventurers being OP and having ranged magics already, only the Landers would possibly benefit from projectile technology.

[Kamui04]

Originally Posted by velvet nightmare

any idea if there has been anything on firearms, maybe it's just me but that would be the first thing i'd think of making.

Besides firearms are so 'uncivilized'