2012-07-24, 02:36 | Link #1421 |
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It wasn't their culture he was told to understand, just their mindset. Since the machines he gets the most out of maneuver in totally different ways from the machines he's now being made to fly, but he's trying to maneuver the same way he used to and complaining it's too sensitive to changes in posture, instead of changing his basic mindset around how the thing is supposed to be handled. So he does have to think about mindset of those who designed it and adapt accordingly instead of complaining that the thrusters are weak.
I think Vincent will have a sit down with him next episode and carefully explain how he's supposed to be handling the Shiranui II Phase 1 and why, then he ends up fighting a Takemi. Last edited by DoomRavager; 2012-07-24 at 02:50. |
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I'm not quite following your logic here... These aren't gundams. No TSF is going to blow entire chunks out of a beta army in one volley. Quote:
The Japanese doctrine is the only one that is combat tested, and I would argue is reasonably effective, considering Japan hasn't yet fallen despite overwhelming odds. Yui isn't saying that he should get outdated machinery and deal with it. The unit he has is a training unit, so it makes sense that it is inadequate. The idea was for him to get used to handling and fighting in a Japanese TSF so he can be the test pilot for the next jointly developed TSF which is forthcoming. Instead he has an awful attitude where all he can think is Japanese = bad, Japanese TSF = irredeemable piece of shit rather than try and figure out how to use the Japanese TSF. The fact he calls it a piece of shit when it is clearly working on the front line shows his complete ignorance and inexperience. This is the reason why Yui is peeved and shits on him and his games. I can't believe the number of people that don't understand and just say blah blah this show is anti-American. : Quote:
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2012-07-24, 02:57 | Link #1424 |
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tl;dr, what we're having is a failure to communicate between Yui and Yuuya.
Both of them are being jerkasses to each other, and both of them do make some good points which get lost in the mutual belligerence. Can we now move on from beating this dead horse? I am now completely of the opinion that this is all just a buildup to angrysex. Or they'll get shot down in the wilderness somewhere and have to rely on each other to survive or something. Unless Yuuya manages to snag Cryska first.
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2012-07-24, 02:59 | Link #1425 | |
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2012-07-24, 03:00 | Link #1427 | |
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Japan did kinda just about fall, though. US and COSEAN-led UN expedition helped retake the mainland afterwards, in a pretty ...big expression of US anti-BETA tactics. (Can I say that here? It's not specifically stated in the anime but then again it's kind of overwhelmingly inconsequential background that happened between episodes 2 and 3 that's probably never going to be mentioned) I guess some people are just prejudiced against anything that even smells like it might be nationalist or something. Last edited by DoomRavager; 2012-07-24 at 03:11. |
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2012-07-24, 03:11 | Link #1428 | |
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"Fully automatic" points to better hardware for the job i.e. build a better can opener/mouse trap. Last edited by encia; 2012-07-24 at 03:25. |
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2012-07-24, 03:26 | Link #1429 | |
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Anyway, the alert is not the irradiation "get the hell out" laser warnings he is referring to. I think its more the bitching betty alert for stalling and low ground warning. And the machine is fast enough used properly. He's just not used to using the suit and moving slowly at first. Look at him dodging the Grappler's arm. Do you think its possible to do that with a slow machine? And point to consider. What if BETA's can shoot below 100m? They only don't shoot their own (unlike humans), nothing stops them from getting out of the way... And Ants are known to swarm over themselves to get to inaccessible places. What stops BETA from doing the same? Or using each other as launch pads and jumping, which was shown in ep2, and no where else... (I choked when I saw jumping BETA... that's cheating!!!)
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2012-07-24, 03:38 | Link #1430 | ||||
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It's under the spoiler quotes and it's just oversize crab mechanics.
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2012-07-24, 04:02 | Link #1432 |
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Man oh man.. So many here are saying Yui is a complete bitch while acting like Yuuya is completely justified. The hostilities were dead set the moment Yuuya looked at Yui and noticed she was Japanese. Calling Yui racist and leaving Yuuya alone despite he himself being racist is just messed up. Not to mention that Yui sees Yuuya as "Japanese" thus she's disappointed in him because he rejects his heritage and the Japanese people and that he isn't performing as what's expected of a fellow kinsman which is disgraceful.
Yui being hard on Yuuya is also to save his life since he's going to have to pilot the Japanese TSF for quite a while, blaming the machine instead of learning how to actually pilot it will get him and his team killed. Yui even tries to give him advice on how to better pilot it and he completely disregards her and treats her rudely. Not to mention that the Japanese TSF's have proven to work just fine and have been used on the front lines to safeguard Japan against infinite BETA waves. Yuuya calling it a piece of shit just because he doesn't want to figure out how to pilot it is disgusting and insults the lives given by the Japanese that have piloted even crappier TSF's at the cost of their own lives so that Yuuya doesn't have to learn on the battlefield like they did and can afford to make mistakes without dying from them. I guess civies that haven't been in the military wouldn't understand. What Yui did is nothing that she could have done to correct Yuuya's rudeness, especially since she was just trying to help him. |
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I find Yuuya confused between seeing himself as inferior as a half breed and being pressured by Yui because of being a half breed as well. Actually, I understand Yuuya but I hope Yui will have him get through with it. Yui seemed to step on Yuuya but actually wanting him to show her what he really capable with...
It seems Yui sees herself in Yuuya... Yuuya is likely a born to be leader.. but in Yui's eyes... its he's attitude that will bring he's team down... |
2012-07-24, 04:14 | Link #1434 |
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Just like his attitude that ruined the training simulation, Yuuya even acknowledges that he screwed up bad but when Yui comes in he makes it a point to say it isn't "he" that screwed up but the tested and proven Japanese TSF because it's Japanese thus inferior.
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2012-07-24, 04:53 | Link #1436 | ||
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What are you going to do about it? No country's media is free from it. You should be laughing already that it isn't Guilty Crown levels of bad....
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2012-07-24, 06:04 | Link #1438 | ||
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IF Japanese TSFs doesn't any need improvements, then they shouldn't even participate in the joint TSF improvement program. USA can continue its own F22 TSF development plan. Quote:
Research and development involves SWOT (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats) analysis. Yuuya's job is to criticize the hardware i.e. if it doesn't match F15/F22, then it's junk. Yuuya just needs to remove his personal attacks on Yui. Last edited by encia; 2012-07-24 at 06:56. |
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Here's the thing: No, the machine isn't broken. It's parts all work. But it's flawed. It has an engine that can't maintain effective speeds, and is also limited in those speeds at that. That means you're constantly fighting your own vehicle to prevent your engine from stalling, dividing your attention between fighting BETA, and keeping the engine alive. Having to divide attention kills people. Quote:
Here's the deal: While Yuuya is being a total prick, he is doing his job. Rudely, but still doing his job. He is there to pilot stuff and point out its flaws. That's what he's been doing. No, he doesn't need to "learn to fly" Japanese TSF, the entire idea is that the new joint TSF is going to be better, which means that he does need to point out the flaws in this TSF. If not, the team doesn't know what to improve. Yui on the other hand, is a total bitch and endangering the entire project by ignoring the valid assessments of a test pilot (who, again, is brought in for the express purpose of pointing out stuff that doesn't work right) on the basis of... "well, we've trained to overcome it's flaws." Uhh... good for you, but what if you didn't need to train to overcome those flaws? What if you could instead use that training time to learn to survive and kill more BETA? What if you could just focus on killing BETA during the fight instead of keeping the engine running? Isn't that the entire point of this project? To create a better TSF? Because what she spouted there is completely contradicting the entire purpose of the project. |
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2012-07-24, 06:45 | Link #1440 |
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Let's face it. All of us agree that Yuuya and Yui are deeply flawed people. And to think some cynics predicted a fanservice fest in the first episode, when what we get instead is vociferous debates on characters!
If Muv Luv had a sub-forum, I'd think that Yuuya and Yui's character threads may well be the longest, amazingly. |
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