Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid Manga Discussion

[00-Raiser]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Well you had to figure it would go that direction for Einhart. One thing I'm curious about is how she'll be going forward. I agree the present should be a prime thing for her and so should her own life. But I don't want her to outright reject the past and the memories she's inherited. After all trying to fulfill those wishes has been a core part of her life. Throwing all that away would be kind of rough.

She's fully aware that without her heritage she never would have met Vivio and the gang in the first place. So while she's not going to stupidly seek strength anymore, she accepts that those memories have positively influenced her life.

[vic-vic]

It's nice to see Einhart smiling so lively - it's nice to see her finding an inner peace, after all while she have no need to be chained down by the tragedies in the history, it's still an important part of her development as a person.

[Diluc]

I am not really follow Vivid nowadays.
anybody has summary what is Vivid latest story now?

[TYxTxYT]

[MOD EDIT]Discussion moved from the Vivid Strike thread[/MOD EDIT]

U15
Einhart claimed world champion
Vivio ranked 7th
Miura ranked 5th

>Vivio takes a few lessons from Nanoha
>Beat the crap out of Einhart
>Goes back to training with Nove
>Gets KO'd by Einhart and loses to a bunch other

Are we at the conclusion that Nove needs to resign?

Better yet, Tzusuki should resign because he can't write.
Like seriously, give the series to a competent writer and go do Dog Days crap.

[vic-vic]

Originally Posted by TYxTxYT

U15
Einhart claimed world champion
Vivio ranked 7th
Miura ranked 5th

>Vivio takes a few lessons from Nanoha
>Beat the crap out of Einhart
>Goes back to training with Nove
>Gets KO'd by Einhart and loses to a bunch other

Are we at the conclusion that Nove needs to resign?

Better yet, Tzusuki should resign because he can't write.
Like seriously, give the series to a competent writer and go do Dog Days crap.

Einhart was beaten when her inner turmoil reached it's peak and for many years she steadfastly refused to use any sort of movements that didn't belong to her Kaiser Arts. Once sje get past this issues I don't see any problems for Einhart to grew into most powerful combatant of Team Nakajima that can trounce even Vivio.

And IMHO places 2-4 belonf to their older friends like Victoria, Lutecia and Mikiah (Sieg must have been absent again, or Einhart would stay on 2nd place)

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by vic-vic

Einhart was beaten when her inner turmoil reached it's peak and for many years she steadfastly refused to use any sort of movements that didn't belong to her Kaiser Arts. Once sje get past this issues I don't see any problems for Einhart to grew into most powerful combatant of Team Nakajima that can trounce even Vivio.

Doesn't make much sense, really. Vivio was stronger at that point and I'm sure she would keep getting stronger after that. I don't see how Enhart could catch up even if she got over her issues, considering the beating she got from Vivio. That fight was so one-sided, and it's not like Einhart didn't try.

[Rising Dragon]

Since when was Vivio stronger than Einhart? Vivio's magically a cripple.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Since when was Vivio stronger than Einhart? Vivio's magically a cripple.

Cripple or not, she crushed Einhart hard.

[Rising Dragon]

Still not a case of her being stronger. Just of her being smarter. And even then she was stupid about it, given how Nove chewed her out for it afterwards.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Still not a case of her being stronger. Just of her being smarter.

In a fight it's not all about physical strength. Being smarter is part of the reason why she's stronger. She also has way better magical control than Einhart. Einhart couldn't do anything against her.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

In a fight it's not all about physical strength. Being smarter is part of the reason why she's stronger. She also has way better magical control than Einhart. Einhart couldn't do anything against her.

Yes, because as vic-vic already said, Einhart wasn't all there emotionally or mentally. By the time she was, it was way too late.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

Yes, because as vic-vic already said, Einhart wasn't all there emotionally or mentally. By the time she was, it was way too late.

Einhart was fighting as best she could anyway. Vivio's just better. Also, if I remember correctly, their previous fight was a draw, so Vivio was already catching up, and fast.

[Rising Dragon]

Hardly a fair comparison if she wasn't performing at her best due to her mental distractions. I'll cede the point to you when Vivio defeats Einhart when Einhart is at her best and free of distractions in the battle. It's not fair to either girl otherwise.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Hardly a fair comparison if she wasn't performing at her best due to her mental distractions. I'll cede the point to you when Vivio defeats Einhart when Einhart is at her best and free of distractions in the battle. It's not fair to either girl otherwise.

You're assuming she's not at her best just because she had things in her mind. But she was fighting with all she's got. She wasn't hesitating or making mistakes. She actually used her head and pulled some good counters. As far as I'm concerned, that means she was at her best. Vivio beat her because she's smarter and has better magical control. She's also becoming a better martial artist then Einhart. She was already catching up to Einhart even before this fight.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

You're assuming she's not at her best just because she had things in her mind. But she was fighting with all she's got. She wasn't hesitating or making mistakes. She actually used her head and pulled some good counters. As far as I'm concerned, that means she was at her best. Vivio beat her because she's smarter and has better magical control. She's also becoming a better martial artist then Einhart. She was already catching up to Einhart even before this fight.

Einhart also hadn't actually improved at all, except for the Unchain Knuckle and when she was practicing against Sieg to learn Sieg's moves ahead of time. Never once moved beyond something that wasn't in Claus' memories, even relying on them against Corona because they oh so conveniently had a counter she oh so conveniently remembered. Not even the Unchain Knuckle was spared, given how that got converted into something compatible with her precious Kaiser Arts. That's the only reason Vivio caught up to her, and precisely why Vivio was fighting Einhart again in the first place: To break her out of that stasis. Now that she's succeeded, guess what? There's a reason Nova told Vivio she was more suited to being a Librarian than a fighter.

Einhart was fighting with all she's got? Einhart's strong enough to smash Corona's golem to pieces with a single blow, the same Einhart that sent Vivio's head straight into the ground, and not one damn scratch. Not even a friction burn. Despite it being stated multiple times Vivio can't trade direct blows with an opponent, like she just did in that very fight, and the story actually acknowledging said fact after the fight with Nove berating Vivio for doing it.

What are you so upset about, anyway? No-one's trying to say there's no way Vivio would ever beat Einhart.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

What are you so upset about, anyway? No-one's trying to say there's no way Vivio would ever beat Einhart.

Who is upset? It just doesn't make sense to me. I really don't think Einhart is stronger than Vivo. She pulled everything she's got and couldn't do anything against Vivio. And it's not because she wasn't fighting at her best. It's because Vivio's defence was just that good and Einhart was weakened due to the damage she received at this start (something that's noted by others in that moment). And whether she started learning new things after that is up in the air since the translation of the manga stopped there. Also, even in that case it's not like Vivio would stop learning new things herself.

[Rising Dragon]

That's just it, Vivio's defense are NOT good. Vivio's defenses are trash. If she had great defenses, she wouldn't have had to come up with a system that can and will get her killed if her aim is off by even a little bit because she has so little mana to work with, comparatively. If she had great defenses, she'd be capable of trading heavy blows with opponents like Einhart--something Nove expressly says she can't do. The last time she took a direct hit, she got the childhood knocked right out of her.

Like I said. As far as magic goes, Vivio's a cripple.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

That's just it, Vivio's defense are NOT good. Vivio's defenses are trash. If she had great defenses, she wouldn't have had to come up with a system that can and will get her killed if her aim is off by even a little bit because she has so little mana to work with, comparatively.

But see, the point is that she has such a great control of her magic she could make do with the little magic she has. If I remember correctly Einhart only got one hit pass Vivio's defence in that fight. That way I see it, Einhart's defence suck in comparison.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

If I remember correctly Einhart only got one hit pass Vivio's defence in that fight.

Because, and let's see if you can actually follow it this time, Einhart wasn't all there emotionally or mentally for most of that fight.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

Because, and let's see if you can actually follow it this time, Einhart wasn't all there emotionally or mentally for most of that fight.

That's just your assumption, and doesn't even make sense. During that fight the pov is with Einhart. We are in her head, and we know she's not distracted or hesitating or anything like that. Her condition is fine.

Honestly, Einhart has more magic to work with but always received a lot of damage. It's not just in this fight. She received a lot of damage in the tournament too, and over-relied on the regenerative power of her device.