(L+CR) Overlord Season 3

[Tak]

Originally Posted by eiyuuou

regardless what fantasies others have, I believe Fluder made the best choice in his entire life.

I hope, because it's not cheap.

Originally Posted by GreyZone

Relevant excerpt to on-going discussion from an audio drama from vol. 10, doesn't have any spoilers regarding the main story. It deals with a table top RPG that Ainz plays with his guardians:

Spoiler for LN vol. 10 Drama CD excerpt:

[...]
Albedo: Humans are not like ourselves. They were not born with the purpose of serving the Supreme One.
Albedo: And if they continue living like that
Albedo: They will end up leading an empty existence like those bandits.
Albedo: However, by pledging allegiance to Ainz-sama
Albedo: By harboring love in their hearts and fighting for Ainz-sama
Albedo: Even such insignificant humans
Albedo: Can bring forth a strength which exceeds their own.
Demiurge: In that case, even humans can have a use.
Demiurge: I trust that is what you wanted us to take away from this, Ainz-sama?
Aura: After all, if we didn’t play this game
Aura: We’d simply dismiss humans as unimportant and kill them off.
Mare: Anyone from any race can be a comrade of ours as long as they have the same purpose as we do.
Mare: Even human beings. Right, nee-chan?
Chair: Well, if anyone’s audacious enough to not swear loyalty to Ainz-sama
Chair: It doesn’t matter what happens to them. Is that right?
Ainz: Eh, ah? Ah, yes!
Ainz: Well done, all of you. I have to hand it to you for realizing that.
Everyone: Truly, we expected nothing less of the Supreme One, Ainz-sama!
[...]

With this it should be pretty clear that as long as humans are under Ainz's rule, the guardians will probably not move against them.

Meh, I like Overlord because this is a story about 'a bigger fish', not because Ainz is a good guy, or something.

Still, by Medieval European standards, living in blissful ignorance is not too bad of an option for the humans, and/or demi-humans under his rule... if he doesn't sic Demi on them, that is.

- Tak

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

You are saying that as an omnipotent reader. Medieval peasants won't care that much.

You don't need to be an omnipotent reader to understand people being pissed if they knew that monsters were sent to kill them.

They were even fine with the local lord robbing their crop every season and left their family starved to death.

Accepting something because you have no other choice isn't the same as being fine with it.

Then state your solution. Compromising with bribery only leads to worse bribery.

The same way you reduce corruption in real life. Institute punishments and restrictions that make bribery unprofitable. Ainz would be in the position to make all the laws in his 'utopia' so he could easily do this.

And more people suffered from the corruption and oppression of the nobles. Maybe even more deaths.

I highly doubt that. People have already mentioned that Ainz has killed a significant portion of the kingdom's population. Consider how much suffering that would cause the people left behind, how much damage it would do to the economy, which would cause even more suffering.

They aren't though. The lizardmen also accepted them.

Because they would die otherwise

Maybe individually, the majority is redeemable, but as a whole, that society is rotten to the core, since it is run by corrupted nobles, who are irredeemable. That's why Ainz is trying to destroy that system to create a better one.

Ainz has no interest in creating a better system, it's just PR in case some super strong person is lurking around. He's said this multiple times.

How would it lead to less deaths and social upheaval? With the nobles still being in power, countless people will suffer Tsuare's fate, leading to all sort of social problem, remember Zach, the guy ate by Solution? His sister was also kidnapped by the nobles, turning him into a criminal as the result. And when Ainz tries to take away their power, the nobles will undoubtedly rebel, forcing him to kill them all, along with their armies. So more deaths, not less.

See my above statement. All of Ainz's mass killing are only hurting the people you seem to believe he wants to help, and the resulting social upheaval and econmic disruption would only increase that amount.

Explain, please. I fail to see how gathering information in a strange world is unjustified.

You're being deliberately obtuse. Ainz is perfectly capable of gathering information without murdering people.

It does. In other works, heroes are also murderers who kill alot.

Heroes don't kill out of apathy or on a whim like Ainz does.

Now he wants their success.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

And they're genuinely happy that he conquered them, since he saved them from extinction and food shortage, he also helped them to defeat their sworn enemies, the toadmen.

Spoiler:

Because Cocytus begged for them, not that it was actually his plan. And just because they're happy they're getting fed and not killed by toadmen, doesn't mean they're happy with being conquered. If someone came into your house, murdered your family members and then gave you some money afterwords, would you feel happy towards that person? it's ridiculous.

Is there nay different? Or can you tell me who is the important person that got killed you are referring to?

Let us say for example, that the village has someone that cures meat for winter for them. This person is indispensable because they'll starve come winter without him, but he wouldn't be on Ainz's list. He dies in the attack and the village starves. That could have easily happened.

But they don't how exactly which mission they need to refuse. Otherwise no one would be killed.

People die because no plan survives contact with the enemy. There are always unplanned factors that lead to loss of life.

Ainz never hided anything. The villagers knew perfectly well that the trolls were going to attack.

They found out about the trolls on their own, Ainz told them nothing

Ainz didn't make it any more difficult. He even weakened them by turning them into undead.

Doesn't change the fact that he sent monsters to kill them.

Those are proofs they didn't care about the deaths of other villagers.

That the proof they're happy to survive and will mourn later.

They knew those trainings were dangerous and they could accidentally die, so they risked their life by accepting them.

Have you never heard of degrees of risk?

Driving a car is dangerous, but people do it anyway because the chance of something happening to them is limited, just like the chance of dying in training via accident. That's a totally different thing from deliberately choosing to do training with a high chance of killing you. Even if someone was crazy enough to do that, it would be their choice, not someone else making for them like Ainz.

Big companies usually try to buy local stores first and only use other methods if it fails.

They actually don't.

I and others have showed you how impractical your way is. The show has made it painfully clear that majority of nobles are stubborn morons who just won't change no matter what. If even overwhelming power can't convince them to change, how can your trade and industry improvement can do it? They will just flat out forbid their people to use those changes and kill anyone who does. If you really want to prove Ainz is wrong, give more detailed and practical methods, instead of just whining and giving some half-ass unworkable ideas.

My method is difficult, not impossible. History has taught us that's how advancements in culture and society are made. Ainz would be in a unique position to do this, since as an outsider, he wouldn't be beholden to anyone. Ainz doesn't do it this way because he has no interest in helping people, saving lives or creating utopia. He just wants to reduce the chances of someone coming after him while he gets what he wants.

Doesn't change the fact that he honored his promise.

For Sebas' sake. It doesn't prove your hypothesis that Ainz would go out of his way for New Worlders.

It isn't about economics, it's about how advances in medical sciences benefit mankind, something everyone agrees.

Try Googling trickle-down economics. The idea that the elites would somehow share benefits with the second-class citizens, especially when said elites already think absolutely nothing of them is pretty naive.

Because he understands well that doing unnecessary evil will turn the whole world against him, plus future players as well.

You're half-right. Ainz doesn't care if the New World goes against him, he cares if players do.

And he will correct them once he finds out, then they won't do it again. Everyone commits mistakes, you see.

First you're assuming he finds out, which is unlikely considering how much freedom he gives them. Even if he does find out, as long as no one else knows, and Nazarick is getting something out of it, he'll let them continue, just like he's done before.

No. He taught them about casus belli and told them to not do unnecessary things.

He taught them that so they understand how to conquer places without looking like invaders

You have for proof on this statement.

Read the LN.

Spoiler for spoiler:

Yes, in volume 1, the NPCs discusses about how utterly meaningless things would be if there were no supreme being there with them

Spoiler:

Still doesn't prove your point.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Tak

There is Nabe...



Oh... shit. Did I just gave an idea?



- Tak

You Rule 34ed it into existence, you fool!

Originally Posted by Tak

Let's be fair. Ainz is here neither to ruin nor save. He is here to rule, he declared as much back in Volume 1.

Barely. He's there to not disappoint the NPCs. That's his chief motivation for most anything.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

You Rule 34ed it into existence, you fool!

I am a genius.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Barely. He's there to not disappoint the NPCs. That's his chief motivation for most anything.

A lot of his motivations and actions were independent from NPCs, and a lot of 'conquests' he made without NPCs' input.

While he does not want to disappoint the NPCs, his goal after that little skirmish in Carne Village motivated him to 'declare Ainz Ooal Gown a living legend among mortals'.

I'd argue, if anything, he is trying to revive his guild's heyday in Yggdrasil.

- Tak

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Tak

I am a genius.



A lot of his motivations and actions were independent from NPCs, and a lot of 'conquests' he made without NPCs' input.

While he does not want to disappoint the NPCs, his goal after that little skirmish in Carne Village motivated him to 'declare Ainz Ooal Gown a living legend among mortals'.

Just because he doesn't have their input doesn't mean he doesn't have them in mind.

The way I see it, he has three or four motivators:
- like I said, not disappoint the NPCs. That means trying to fill the shoes of the Ainz that the NPC imagine: the all wise ruler, the conqueror and so on.
- curiosity and fear, which makes him want to learn what he can about the world. Thus his interest in various "experiments".
- the desire to escape the stress of point 1 while maybe indulging a bit of point 2. That's what Momon's for.

I suppose one could also count his desire to find his guildmates, but that's such a long shot...

I'd argue, if anything, he is trying to revive his guild's heyday in Yggdrasil.

- Tak

He can't really do that. Back in the day, he had comrades, not subordinates. He was nothing but a first among peers, if that.

[Tak]

Of course Ainz has his NPCs in mind, but he is not acting primarily on their benefit, but his.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

- the desire to escape the stress of point 1 while maybe indulging a bit of point 2. That's what Momon's for.

Momon is there to comprehend the NW for Ainz's benefit, all the while indulging in Ainz's numerous false-flag operations, IMO.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

He can't really do that. Back in the day, he had comrades, not subordinates. He was nothing but a first among peers, if that.

Right, but that's not the point. In the NW, he is considered a god. Thus he is able to render his 'Sorcerer Kingdom' as the single strongest entity in the NW, just as he did with his old guild back in YGG.

So maybe he is without his comrades, but it doesn't mean he cannot be the top-dog, which is what he is trying to do at this point.

- Tak

[Rasty]

Originally Posted by Endscape

Let us say for example, that the village has someone that cures meat for winter for them. This person is indispensable because they'll starve come winter without him, but he wouldn't be on Ainz's list. He dies in the attack and the village starves. That could have easily happened.

Unprobable. There is no high tech in middle age village. The village is usually split into farms of various sizes that are almost self-sufficient especially considering food. Usual important people are: herbalist (physician), village chief and then any special trade (blacksmith, bootmaker...). The first he defends, the second is easily replaceable and not only don't we have any indication of the last existing (they were rare on villages as they usually concentrated in cities), they also wouldn't be in the most dangerous positions during the fight.

Anyway, as long as the village stands and most villagers are alive they can always call in vital people from other villages. Yeah, they might become poorer, but getting decimated because of losing 1-2 important guys is impossible (otherwise villages would fall left and right, people die often, especially if you have monsters right behind the walls).

[frodonk]

Everyone's on about how Price Barbro was the unluckiest guy in the NW because of what happened, but think about how Honorable General Enri is the luckiest creature in the entire NW.

We first saw her almost getting killed by a common soldier before Ainz intervened, then stuff happened and now she's this legendary figure that commands the third greatest army in the continent.

If Maruyama planned this for Enri from the start then it's a more impressive feat than Momonga BSing his way through whatever Demiurge thinks his sekai seifuku plan is!

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Rasty

Unprobable. There is no high tech in middle age village. The village is usually split into farms of various sizes that are almost self-sufficient especially considering food. Usual important people are: herbalist (physician), village chief and then any special trade (blacksmith, bootmaker...). The first he defends, the second is easily replaceable and not only don't we have any indication of the last existing (they were rare on villages as they usually concentrated in cities), they also wouldn't be in the most dangerous positions during the fight.

Anyway, as long as the village stands and most villagers are alive they can always call in vital people from other villages.

This is a frontier village in an area filled with monsters. Why would anyone from anywhere else bother to go there? This isn't modern times where finding a replacement for skilled people is as easy as posting an ad online, especially for a place with no money and plenty of danger.

Yeah, they might become poorer, but getting decimated because of losing 1-2 important guys is impossible (otherwise villages would fall left and right, people die often, especially if you have monsters right behind the walls).

Settlements in medieval times times failed all the time, usually from slight issues. Look at what happened earlier in the season, they had to go into the forest to gather herbs despite the danger because the village might have failed without it. If Nphirea or Lizzie had died, the settlement could easily have died with them.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Endscape

This is a frontier village in an area filled with monsters. Why would anyone from anywhere else bother to go there? This isn't modern times where finding a replacement for skilled people is as easy as posting an ad online, especially for a place with no money and plenty of danger.

Settlements in medieval times times failed all the time, usually from slight issues. Look at what happened earlier in the season, they had to go into the forest to gather herbs despite the danger because the village might have failed without it. If Nphirea or Lizzie had died, the settlement could easily have died with them.

Not pointing fingers at anyone, but the world of Overlord is hardly a medieval one that would correspond to its real-world counterpart. The obvious difference being the existence of magic, and the things they can accomplish.

- Tak

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Tak

Not pointing fingers at anyone, but the world of Overlord is hardly a medieval one that would correspond to its real-world counterpart. The obvious difference being the existence of magic, and the things they can accomplish.

- Tak

The societies they are in is medieval. Magic doesn't give their societies any benefits in terms of social or political advantages.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

The societies they are in is medieval. Magic doesn't give their societies any benefits in terms of social or political advantages.

It does provide improved access to economic goods, increased production, travel, medicine... etc. Things that a real-life Medieval European inhabitant would kill for.

- - - - -

On the other hand, it also depends on where they are, Kingdom, Empire, Theocracy... etc. Not all medieval societies were the same in terms of providing social, and/or political advantages.

- Tak

[J4n1]

Basicly, it's the old question of a village.
The village is filled with healthy, prosperous, happy people.
Everyone has enough food, comfortable homes, decent clothes and good jobs, if any jobs are even needed.
Everyone, except one child.
To gain all this fortune, village has to constantly torture a child, constantly, without stop, ever, and once the child dies, or gets too old, they pick a new child and start over with the torture.
Is this right? Is this justified?

That's basicly the scenario where the new world is headed, prosperity for most, unimaginable horror and agony for some to pay for it.
Yes, it is technicly possible that Ainz puts an end to all the horrors, but it's unlikely, he has little empathy left for people not directly in his path, and stopping his children from playing with the new toys would make them sad, so he is more likely to allow some horrors to continue.
And, well, they do need those scrolls.

[GreyZone]

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[eiyuuou]

Originally Posted by Tak

I hope, because it's not cheap.


- Tak

I'm sure he'll have no regrets. this is the only way.
his whole life is unlimited magic works

Originally Posted by frodonk

Everyone's on about how Price Barbro was the unluckiest guy in the NW because of what happened, but think about how Honorable General Enri is the luckiest creature in the entire NW.

We first saw her almost getting killed by a common soldier before Ainz intervened, then stuff happened and now she's this legendary figure that commands the third greatest army in the continent.

If Maruyama planned this for Enri from the start then it's a more impressive feat than Momonga BSing his way through whatever Demiurge thinks his sekai seifuku plan is!

sasuga ainz-sama!
the horns are named Horn of the Goblin General, which summoned about 20 goblins in Yggdrasil but the word "Goblin General" does not fit one who commands ~20 gobs. Yggdrasil players considered it trash (aka newbie item) and it lasts a short period, which is why ainz didn't really care offloading 2 horns on enri

[Rasty]

Originally Posted by Endscape

This is a frontier village in an area filled with monsters. Why would anyone from anywhere else bother to go there? This isn't modern times where finding a replacement for skilled people is as easy as posting an ad online, especially for a place with no money and plenty of danger.

It is a frontier village, but not the only one. There should be a couple of similar villages in the vicinity (10-20km) and negotiating some visit twice in a year or sending the 2nd son or something similar shouldn't be so hard. Though I have yet to hear about any such important position anyway.

Originally Posted by Endscape

Settlements in medieval times times failed all the time, usually from slight issues. Look at what happened earlier in the season, they had to go into the forest to gather herbs despite the danger because the village might have failed without it. If Nphirea or Lizzie had died, the settlement could easily have died with them.

The village was doing quite OK even without Lizzie and they now even have the goblins for fighting power (I mean the 20, not the army). Nphirea was being directly guarded by Lupsregina.

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by Endscape

You don't need to be an omnipotent reader to understand people being pissed if they knew that monsters were sent to kill them.

They wouldn't if their people died on daily basic due to random monster attacks even when no one sent them.

Accepting something because you have no other choice isn't the same as being fine with it.

Spoiler for spoiler:

Except the LN clearly showed people were very happy under Ainz's rule.

The same way you reduce corruption in real life. Institute punishments and restrictions that make bribery unprofitable. Ainz would be in the position to make all the laws in his 'utopia' so he could easily do this.

Just remind you, we still can't do it effectively IRL, that's why we have no utopia here. But Ainz's goal is to create a true utopia, thus he can't accept these half-ass methods where you compromise with corruption.

I highly doubt that. People have already mentioned that Ainz has killed a significant portion of the kingdom's population. Consider how much suffering that would cause the people left behind, how much damage it would do to the economy, which would cause even more suffering.

It just short term set back, but people will become prosperous in long term, compare to you way, where corruption always lurks into the system, causing mayhem and suffering for eternity without end.

Because they would die otherwise

Spoiler for spoiler:

But the LN showed that they were wholeheartedly graceful to him. They do it out of respect, not fear.

Ainz has no interest in creating a better system, it's just PR in case some super strong person is lurking around. He's said this multiple times.

But he is doing it for real now. All of his actions prove it.

See my above statement. All of Ainz's mass killing are only hurting the people you seem to believe he wants to help, and the resulting social upheaval and econmic disruption would only increase that amount.

All of those negative effects will soon be fixed and the benefit in long term's worth it, instead of just continue with the current horrible system where everyone suffer indefinitely.

You're being deliberately obtuse. Ainz is perfectly capable of gathering information without murdering people.

How can he know the way the world works without doing any experiment? You are just desperate.

Heroes don't kill out of apathy or on a whim like Ainz does.

It doesn't matter. They point is they also kills for their believes.

Spoiler:

Because Cocytus begged for them, not that it was actually his plan. And just because they're happy they're getting fed and not killed by toadmen, doesn't mean they're happy with being conquered. If someone came into your house, murdered your family members and then gave you some money afterwords, would you feel happy towards that person? it's ridiculous.

Spoiler for spoiler:

Did you really read the LN? It made it painfully clear that the lizardmen had the warrior's mentality thus they easily accepted the rule of the strong and were very happy that a mighty warrior like Cocytus conquered them. They are a barbaric primitive tribe, you can't treat them as normal modern citizens.

Let us say for example, that the village has someone that cures meat for winter for them. This person is indispensable because they'll starve come winter without him, but he wouldn't be on Ainz's list. He dies in the attack and the village starves. That could have easily happened.

First, there is no one like that in the village. Second, even if there is, it can easily be fixed by magic.

People die because no plan survives contact with the enemy. There are always unplanned factors that lead to loss of life.

And everyone knows this, yet they didn't quit their job.

They found out about the trolls on their own, Ainz told them nothing

So what? The point is he didn't deceive them.

Doesn't change the fact that he sent monsters to kill them.

But it helped them in the end.

That the proof they're happy to survive and will mourn later.

This is just your own speculation. There is no proof.

Have you never heard of degrees of risk?

Driving a car is dangerous, but people do it anyway because the chance of something happening to them is limited, just like the chance of dying in training via accident. That's a totally different thing from deliberately choosing to do training with a high chance of killing you. Even if someone was crazy enough to do that, it would be their choice, not someone else making for them like Ainz.

Like I said, you are trying to apply modern standards to fantasy medieval villagers, every evidence shows that they just don't care.

They actually don't.

They do. It's more cost-effectively.

My method is difficult, not impossible. History has taught us that's how advancements in culture and society are made. Ainz would be in a unique position to do this, since as an outsider, he wouldn't be beholden to anyone. Ainz doesn't do it this way because he has no interest in helping people, saving lives or creating utopia. He just wants to reduce the chances of someone coming after him while he gets what he wants.

It's not just difficult, in this setting, it's outright counter-productive. There is absolutely no point in making the masses suffer just to keep the corrupt nobles in power. When you have a tumor and you can totally cut it off to keep the body healthy, you do it instead of keeping it just because the surgery is painful.

For Sebas' sake. It doesn't prove your hypothesis that Ainz would go out of his way for New Worlders.

You just can't prove he attack Eight Fingers solely to appease Sebas.

Spoiler for spoiler:

In the LN, he's genuinely enraged because someone dared to attack someone he declared protection upon, not just because of Sebas. It showed how he valued his promises.

Try Googling trickle-down economics. The idea that the elites would somehow share benefits with the second-class citizens, especially when said elites already think absolutely nothing of them is pretty naive.

I know what it is. But Ainz and his subordinate aren't real life human elites. He wants his subject to be prosperous in his utopia thus he will order benefits to be shared to them and his loyal subordinates willl do it without fail.

You're half-right. Ainz doesn't care if the New World goes against him, he cares if players do.

AInz cares about NWers, he knows they have WCIs.

First you're assuming he finds out, which is unlikely considering how much freedom he gives them. Even if he does find out, as long as no one else knows, and Nazarick is getting something out of it, he'll let them continue, just like he's done before.

He is still monitoring them, plus other subordinates will tell him when they see their colleagues doing something against his will. And like I said, after the world is united, Nazarick's benefit will also be the world's benefit.

He taught them that so they understand how to conquer places without looking like invaders

Which is a good thing since it makes the conquered people happy.

Read the LN.

So you can't provide any proof?

Spoiler:

Still doesn't prove your point.

It does. You just refuse to understand since it's contradicted to you speculation.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Rasty

It is a frontier village, but not the only one. There should be a couple of similar villages in the vicinity (10-20km) and negotiating some visit twice in a year or sending the 2nd son or something similar shouldn't be so hard. Though I have yet to hear about any such important position anyway.

Nope. All the surrounding villages were exterminated by the Theocracy, and their survivors regrouped in Carne. Enri tried to recruit new villagers in E-Rantel, but was unsuccessful.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Rasty

It is a frontier village, but not the only one. There should be a couple of similar villages in the vicinity (10-20km) and negotiating some visit twice in a year or sending the 2nd son or something similar shouldn't be so hard. Though I have yet to hear about any such important position anyway.

Those villages were all killed off by the Slaine Theocracy. Even if they were still around, why would they send off their skilled people for no reason?

The village was doing quite OK even without Lizzie and they now even have the goblins for fighting power (I mean the 20, not the army). Nphirea was being directly guarded by Lupsregina.

The point I'm making is that for a settlement that is still in the process of getting put together, losing even one skilled person could lead to failure.

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

They wouldn't if their people died on daily basic due to random monster attacks even when no one sent them.

So because people die due to random monster attacks, they'd be fine with deliberate ones? That's like saying people would fine with being murdered because natural disasters happen. No one thinks like that.

Just remind you, we still can't do it effectively IRL, that's why we have no utopia here. But Ainz's goal is to create a true utopia, thus he can't accept these half-ass methods where you compromise with corruption.

He can't accept those kinds of methods yet he's fine with mass murder? How can you call a utopia founded on that a utopia?

It just short term set back, but people will become prosperous in long term, compare to you way, where corruption always lurks into the system, causing mayhem and suffering for eternity without end.

It's still better to reduce short term deaths and gradually weed out corruption through an improved social structure than cause mass deaths in the present.

But he is doing it for real now. All of his actions prove it.

He isn't. His reasoning hasn't changed a bit.

All of those negative effects will soon be fixed and the benefit in long term's worth it, instead of just continue with the current horrible system where everyone suffer indefinitely.

Those 'negative effects', as you call them were all unnecessary and there's no proof that they're worth it.

How can he know the way the world works without doing any experiment? You are just desperate.

Doing experiments doesn't necessitate killing people.

It doesn't matter. They point is they also kills for their believes.

Heroes kill when they have to. Ainz kills when it's convinient, when he's bored or when he feels like it.

Spoiler for spoiler:

Did you really read the LN? It made it painfully clear that the lizardmen had the warrior's mentality thus they easily accepted the rule of the strong and were very happy that a mighty warrior like Cocytus conquered them. They are a barbaric primitive tribe, you can't treat them as normal modern citizens.

Spoiler for spoiler:

You're judging all of them by the standards of the warriors. Crusch wasn't happy with it, does her opinion not count?

First, there is no one like that in the village. Second, even if there is, it can easily be fixed by magic.

Magic is not a cure all drug. And the point is, there could have been. Ainz's carelessness could have wrecked the village.

And everyone knows this, yet they didn't quit their job.

Because they need to eat. That doesn't mean they need to be deceived either.

So what? The point is he didn't deceive them.

He sent a bunch of ogres and trolls to kill them and didn't give them a heads up. That's close enough.

But it helped them in the end.

That doesn't change the fact that he tried to kill them, nor is there any tangible evidence it actually helped them either.

This is just your own speculation. There is no proof.

We literally see the villagers being happy when they realize they were saved by Ainz previously. Why would they suddenly stop caring about each other now?

Like I said, you are trying to apply modern standards to fantasy medieval villagers

This isn't a modern standard, (though the example is). Humans have being doing this as long as they've been alive.

every evidence shows that they just don't care.

So you think they'd be upset that the Theocracy tried to kill them, but be fine with it when Ainz does it? The only difference is the lack of info, which doesn't count as evidence.

They do. It's more cost-effectively.

They actually don't. I suggest you educate yourself on this topic.

It's not just difficult, in this setting, it's outright counter-productive. There is absolutely no point in making the masses suffer just to keep the corrupt nobles in power. When you have a tumor and you can totally cut it off to keep the body healthy, you do it instead of keeping it just because the surgery is painful.

Except your method is making the masses suffer as well. Your method isn't cutting out a tumor, it's as if someone had a tumor in their leg, you could operate and remove the tumor surgically, but instead you cut off the whole leg because you can't be bothered.

From what we've seen, Ainz isn't even fixing any corruption in the system either.

I know what it is. But Ainz and his subordinate aren't real life human elites. He wants his subject to be prosperous in his utopia thus he will order benefits to be shared to them and his loyal subordinates willl do it without fail.

We've already seen how aranoid this guy is, I doubt he'd share any kind of information or knowledge that he can't completely control.

AInz cares about NWers, he knows they have WCIs.

No he doesn't. He knows someone has at least one, but he doesn't know it's a New Worlder. He still thinks players are around.

He is still monitoring them, plus other subordinates will tell him when they see their colleagues doing something against his will. And like I said, after the world is united, Nazarick's benefit will also be the world's benefit.

Everyone is well aware of Demiurge's farm, but no one tells Ainz because they don't care that Demiurge is torturing people.

Which is a good thing since it makes the conquered people happy.

It makes the players that might be out there believe that Nazarick aren't conquerors. The people Ainz has conquered aren't happy, and he doesn't care if they are either.

So you can't provide any proof?

It does. You just refuse to understand since it's contradicted to you speculation.

The burden of proof is on your side, since it's your theory.

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Originally Posted by GreyZone

PV SPLATisode 12 PV "special" version

Uh...Gazef's armor looks like something straight out of Saint Seiya :



I was half expecting his armor to be able to turn into a constellation when not being worn .