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Riga92 · 2011-07-03, 14:32

Since Chapter 6 ends Airi's story, I believe the rest of the story will focus on Kazumi, mainly her dark past that we've only seen in brief flashbacks. The earlier chapters imply that Jyubei and Kyubey are up to something concerning the Pleiades Saints, especially regarding Kazumi. What their goals are is unknown but I feel like something big is going to unfold pretty soon.

**Solace** · 2011-07-04, 00:21

Very interesting chapter.

What the hell is Kazumi? She just started turning into a monster, ripped a chunk off the Witch with her mouth, quickly regained her senses and then partially brought back Yuuri/Airi from being a Witch? When she realizes she can't quite do it, she then one shots the Witch.

I'm sorry but there's no way she's "merely" a Magical Girl.

Jimmy C · 2011-07-04, 03:41

It probably has something to do with whatever robbed her memory. If she was always like this, the rest of her team ought to be more wary of her.
Or maybe they're just better at hiding it right now.

Proto · 2011-07-04, 20:22

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On another matter, either Jyuubei doesn't know as much about the magical girl system or he's outright lying to the girls when he says "sometimes" magical girls turn into witches.

Well, sometimes they just die before turning into one, so it's technically correct.

Jimmy C · 2011-07-11, 09:16

Coming back to this after a reread, it seems I was slightly off-target. Jyubei is either ignorant of how the system works or is outright lying, not because he said, "sometimes" magical girls turn into witches, but because he said "we don't know why (that happens)"

Proto · 2011-07-11, 09:19

I guess it depends on the translation accuracy. They actually don't know how that happens, Kyuubei stated they don't understand yet the specifics of magic. We would need the original Japanese since douyate (how) and doushite (why) are actually quite often mixed up from what I've seen.

Jimmy C · 2011-07-11, 10:10

An interesting way to put it. But put yourself in Kazumi's shoes in that scene, would you be more likely to ask "how" or "why" as a first reaction?

Riga92 · 2011-08-01, 15:52

Chapter 7 is finally out! http://shinitan.wordpress.com/2011/0...11-kazumi-c07/

Now this was a very interesting chapter. Chapter starts with a magical girl named Akane Sumire being cornered by the Pleiades Saints. Akane recognizes Kaoru and begs for mercy, but Kaoru seemingly kills her. From the distance, an unknown, black haired magical girl watches them, looking intently at the Saint's soul gems, saying that she wants them...

Kazumi has finished eating breakfast at Tachibana's place and see's Nico and Jyubey patrolling outside and decides to tag along with them. Nico eye's throughout this whole chapter seemingly has no life in them. Nico notes how kind Kazumi is. Even though they have hidden the truth about witches from Kazumi, Kazumi understood that they hid it so she wouldn't remember anything painful from her past. Despite that, Kazumi wants to remember her past, no matter how painful it is. Nico tells her words are heart-warming, but says that Kazumi might have regrets if she remembers.

The black haired girl then appears before them. Her name is Souju Ayase, and she reveals to them that she's been collecting soul gems. Nico says thats a disgusting hobby, but then Ayase reveals that she saw the Pleiades Saints doing the same thing at the beginning of the chapter, gem picking.

Nico and Ayase then duke it out. Nico's wish was apparently "regeneration" which allows her to shoot missiles from her fingers and make clones, pretty cool power. After a couple pages of fighting, Nico apparently wins, removing Ayase's Soul Gem from her chest, and stunning her by squeezing her Soul Gem.

Suddenly, Ayase awakens, re-transforms with a different magical girl outfit, and manages a surprise attack on Nico. It is then revealed that there are two souls residing in Ayase's body. The other soul's name is Souju Ruka.

So apparently, if you are a magical girl, and you are in possession of the soul gems of other girls, its possible for all the souls to reside in one body...interesting.

zeando · 2011-08-01, 17:52

i wonder what will happen if only one of the soulgems of a multigem user turns in a witch while the other gems are not completely dark, looks complicated

maybe it would become an half-witch half-magical-girl, a magical-girl powered witch or a witch powered magical-girl

or maybe it'll simply come out as a witch leaving the undarkened soulgems back

interesting to note that the soulgem hunter collects them, doesn't kill them
so each soul(and magical girl) bound to the soulgem she collected must still be there, untill the soulgem gets crushed
it looks more like a MG kidnapper than a collector :3

the limit of having multiple soulgems must be how much those souls can work together not trying to take over all the body from the others
but the advantages must be very interesting, like double wish powers, double mp, but likely also double greef seeds needed to refill

AuraTwilight · 2011-08-01, 18:08

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So apparently, if you are a magical girl, and you are in possession of the soul gems of other girls, its possible for all the souls to reside in one body...interesting.

Are we sure that's the reason? It could also be multiple personalities, or tie into a wish.

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Very interesting chapter.

What the hell is Kazumi? She just started turning into a monster, ripped a chunk off the Witch with her mouth, quickly regained her senses and then partially brought back Yuuri/Airi from being a Witch? When she realizes she can't quite do it, she then one shots the Witch.

I'm sorry but there's no way she's "merely" a Magical Girl.

Same for this. We have no idea what the hell she wished for, but she's been warping reality since the first chapter.

Jimmy C · 2011-08-01, 18:17

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Originally Posted by Riga92

So apparently, if you are a magical girl, and you are in possession of the soul gems of other girls, its possible for all the souls to reside in one body...interesting.

Somehow, I don't think so. I think Ayase and Luca are the only users of that body, whether it's due to their wish or some other magic. Given that the other Soul Gems they have were unlikely to have been "donated" willingly to them, I doubt they'd want those poor souls to take control of their shared body.

Dark Wing · 2011-08-01, 19:40

It could also be that the magical girl holding multiple soul gems can also tap onto the powers of the previous owners of said gems.

Hagoshod · 2011-08-03, 18:38

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Originally Posted by zeando

i wonder what will happen if only one of the soulgems of a multigem user turns in a witch while the other gems are not completely dark, looks complicated

If we're going off TV canon, then... nothing at all?

The physical body of the Magical Girl stays intact when her Soul Gem converts into a Grief Seed, so the remaining soul will still have a human vessel to work with and shouldn't have anything to worry about. That is, aside from standing directly in front of a newborn Witch.

edit: And after reading Chapter 7, whoever the mangaka for this is needs to stop ripping off my ideas. I mean goddamn.

Bloss-Chan · 2011-08-03, 19:51

Don't flatter yourself x)

Myssa Rei · 2011-08-15, 06:41

The newer chapter puts yet another wrinkle on the reputation of the Pleiades Saints. Just what ARE they doing with those acquired Soul Gems anyway? If they're taking them away to... somewhere, then the police in the city where Kazumi lives in probably have a LOT of unsolved cases where teenaged girls just wind up dead without any known causes...

Never mind the fate of the souls of those actual girls.

Not that the new arrival is any better of course.

Myssa Rei · 2011-08-27, 20:33

Chapter 8 RAWs are out and all I have to say is... The whiplash, it bloody hurts in this series.

Jimmy C · 2011-09-02, 12:54

Chapter 8 translated. And did someone just turn into a witch?
And more half-truths from Jyubei. "What happens when a Puella Magi's gem is taken away?", "Depending on the situation, she dies." "Situation" in this case meaning the gem is more than 100m from the girl in question.

Myssa Rei · 2011-09-03, 20:47

It's hinted that the witch is Nico. It still might be a red herring though, given the franchise.

Note, might, as prior to this we didn't even see Nico's soul gem get soiled or blacken in any manner. It just floated off then... boom. Witch manifestation and labyrinth.

AuraTwilight · 2011-09-03, 21:32

What I want to know is why Soujo says they could only coexist by stealing Soul Gems. By what mechanic does that work out? It can't be keeping their soul gems clean; they'd need Grief Seeds for that.

Hagoshod · 2011-09-04, 00:08

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Originally Posted by Bloss-Chan

Don't flatter yourself x)

Too late. I already added it to my TVTropes profile.

2011-07-03, 14:32	Link #81
Riga92 The Spear of Destiny Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: A place where the stars cross. Age: 31	Since Chapter 6 ends Airi's story, I believe the rest of the story will focus on Kazumi, mainly her dark past that we've only seen in brief flashbacks. The earlier chapters imply that Jyubei and Kyubey are up to something concerning the Pleiades Saints, especially regarding Kazumi. What their goals are is unknown but I feel like something big is going to unfold pretty soon. __________________ Last edited by Riga92; 2011-07-04 at 03:46.

2011-07-04, 00:21	Link #82
Solace (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006	Very interesting chapter. What the hell is Kazumi? She just started turning into a monster, ripped a chunk off the Witch with her mouth, quickly regained her senses and then partially brought back Yuuri/Airi from being a Witch? When she realizes she can't quite do it, she then one shots the Witch. I'm sorry but there's no way she's "merely" a Magical Girl. __________________

2011-07-11, 09:19	Link #86
Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 39	I guess it depends on the translation accuracy. They actually don't know how that happens, Kyuubei stated they don't understand yet the specifics of magic. We would need the original Japanese since douyate (how) and doushite (why) are actually quite often mixed up from what I've seen. __________________ How to play Japanese games in Linux

2011-08-01, 15:52	Link #88
Riga92 The Spear of Destiny Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: A place where the stars cross. Age: 31	Chapter 7 is finally out! http://shinitan.wordpress.com/2011/0...11-kazumi-c07/ Now this was a very interesting chapter. Chapter starts with a magical girl named Akane Sumire being cornered by the Pleiades Saints. Akane recognizes Kaoru and begs for mercy, but Kaoru seemingly kills her. From the distance, an unknown, black haired magical girl watches them, looking intently at the Saint's soul gems, saying that she wants them... Kazumi has finished eating breakfast at Tachibana's place and see's Nico and Jyubey patrolling outside and decides to tag along with them. Nico eye's throughout this whole chapter seemingly has no life in them. Nico notes how kind Kazumi is. Even though they have hidden the truth about witches from Kazumi, Kazumi understood that they hid it so she wouldn't remember anything painful from her past. Despite that, Kazumi wants to remember her past, no matter how painful it is. Nico tells her words are heart-warming, but says that Kazumi might have regrets if she remembers. The black haired girl then appears before them. Her name is Souju Ayase, and she reveals to them that she's been collecting soul gems. Nico says thats a disgusting hobby, but then Ayase reveals that she saw the Pleiades Saints doing the same thing at the beginning of the chapter, gem picking. Nico and Ayase then duke it out. Nico's wish was apparently "regeneration" which allows her to shoot missiles from her fingers and make clones, pretty cool power. After a couple pages of fighting, Nico apparently wins, removing Ayase's Soul Gem from her chest, and stunning her by squeezing her Soul Gem. Suddenly, Ayase awakens, re-transforms with a different magical girl outfit, and manages a surprise attack on Nico. It is then revealed that there are two souls residing in Ayase's body. The other soul's name is Souju Ruka. So apparently, if you are a magical girl, and you are in possession of the soul gems of other girls, its possible for all the souls to reside in one body...interesting. __________________ Last edited by Riga92; 2011-08-01 at 18:10.

2011-08-01, 19:40	Link #92
Dark Wing Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Age: 38	It could also be that the magical girl holding multiple soul gems can also tap onto the powers of the previous owners of said gems. __________________

2011-07-04, 03:41	Link #83
Jimmy C Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	It probably has something to do with whatever robbed her memory. If she was always like this, the rest of her team ought to be more wary of her. Or maybe they're just better at hiding it right now.

2011-07-11, 09:16	Link #85
Jimmy C Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	Coming back to this after a reread, it seems I was slightly off-target. Jyubei is either ignorant of how the system works or is outright lying, not because he said, "sometimes" magical girls turn into witches, but because he said "we don't know why (that happens)"

2011-07-11, 10:10	Link #87
Jimmy C Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	An interesting way to put it. But put yourself in Kazumi's shoes in that scene, would you be more likely to ask "how" or "why" as a first reaction?

2011-08-01, 17:52	Link #89
zeando maybenotimome Join Date: Feb 2011	i wonder what will happen if only one of the soulgems of a multigem user turns in a witch while the other gems are not completely dark, looks complicated maybe it would become an half-witch half-magical-girl, a magical-girl powered witch or a witch powered magical-girl or maybe it'll simply come out as a witch leaving the undarkened soulgems back interesting to note that the soulgem hunter collects them, doesn't kill them so each soul(and magical girl) bound to the soulgem she collected must still be there, untill the soulgem gets crushed it looks more like a MG kidnapper than a collector :3 the limit of having multiple soulgems must be how much those souls can work together not trying to take over all the body from the others but the advantages must be very interesting, like double wish powers, double mp, but likely also double greef seeds needed to refill

2011-08-03, 19:51	Link #94
Bloss-Chan Member Join Date: Jun 2011	Don't flatter yourself x)

2011-08-15, 06:41	Link #95
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	The newer chapter puts yet another wrinkle on the reputation of the Pleiades Saints. Just what ARE they doing with those acquired Soul Gems anyway? If they're taking them away to... somewhere, then the police in the city where Kazumi lives in probably have a LOT of unsolved cases where teenaged girls just wind up dead without any known causes... Never mind the fate of the souls of those actual girls. Not that the new arrival is any better of course. __________________

2011-08-27, 20:33	Link #96
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	Chapter 8 RAWs are out and all I have to say is... The whiplash, it bloody hurts in this series. __________________

2011-09-02, 12:54	Link #97
Jimmy C Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	Chapter 8 translated. And did someone just turn into a witch? And more half-truths from Jyubei. "What happens when a Puella Magi's gem is taken away?", "Depending on the situation, she dies." "Situation" in this case meaning the gem is more than 100m from the girl in question.

2011-09-03, 20:47	Link #98
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	It's hinted that the witch is Nico. It still might be a red herring though, given the franchise. Note, might, as prior to this we didn't even see Nico's soul gem get soiled or blacken in any manner. It just floated off then... boom. Witch manifestation and labyrinth. __________________ Last edited by Myssa Rei; 2011-09-04 at 00:37.

2011-09-03, 21:32	Link #99
AuraTwilight The True Culprit Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The Golden Land	What I want to know is why Soujo says they could only coexist by stealing Soul Gems. By what mechanic does that work out? It can't be keeping their soul gems clean; they'd need Grief Seeds for that. __________________ When the Silent Spirits Cry: An Umineko/Silent Hill crossover fanfiction http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4565173&postcount=531