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VezSketch · 2012-07-30, 14:42

I see nothing wrong with Hayate getting into the fray, she hasn't even had a proper fight ever in the series. I just kind of want something actually interesting to arise in Force ...

LostSome · 2012-07-30, 15:17

It`s the fact that Hayate`s using the Fortress too that I find rather boring.
Yet, Tsuzuki is not lacking imagination with the dividers.

But seriously, I`m not expecting much simply because they can`t have Hayate do better than Nanoha with the Fortress, can they now ?

panzerfan · 2012-07-30, 15:27

Realistically, Hayate should get binders to improve her AMBAC before worrying about other things...
Hayate can top Nanoha by using a nuclear bazooka, Moonlight Butterfly, Ide Cannon, Wings of Light, Satellite Cannon, or to be a little modest, METEOR unit/Orchis unit. Given the huge variety of choices out there for MS loadout, it does seem a bit underwhelming to stick with Fortress, doesn't it?

Rising Dragon · 2012-07-30, 16:05

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Originally Posted by panzerfan

Realistically, Hayate should get binders to improve her AMBAC before worrying about other things...

The Fortress equipment is more than just flying shields. It also contains its own flight unit capable of maintaining flight in Zero Effect zones where magic can't work. You can see it attached to her back and to her hips in the image.

00-Raiser · 2012-07-30, 18:37

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

No, he just bolted more weapons onto it. Then it blew up and he got another one. And then that one blew up...

To be fair Chirico did get the suped up Rabidly Dog for the last 3 episodes. Still, in the TV series alone he went through 23 ATs (I kept track).

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Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

This is the Gundam SEED Destiny of the Nanoha franchise xDU

No. You clearly have no idea why Destiny is hated so much.

Anyways, it looks like people don't understand the point of these new weapons. Of course they're the same/generic/whatever. They are designed to be used by common soldiers. If they were super customized weapons meant only for the Aces, they'd be worthless for the army as a whole.

Justin_Brett · 2012-07-30, 18:51

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To be fair Chirico did get the suped up Rabidly Dog for the last 3 episodes.

And even then, that was only a slightly different-looking blue Scopedog. Statistically it was better, but it didn't have anything too far above common ATs at the time - it even eventually gets blown up by ordinary grunts.

I loved how in the first part of Z2 his last upgrade was just a black Scopedog, and it could regularly do more damage than any unique robots.

Akiyoshi · 2012-07-30, 18:55

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

Anyways, it looks like people don't understand the point of these new weapons. Of course they're the same/generic/whatever. They are designed to be used by common soldiers. If they were super customized weapons meant only for the Aces, they'd be worthless for the army as a whole.

And ended up dampening the heroes's individual talents as a consequence xDU

Elites should get weapons tuned to fit their strenghts and cover their weknesses instead of them being the ones in the need to get adapted to the weapon. At lest they should get custom upgraded versions of the AEC's and not mass production models that break constantly and do a semi-decent job against their intended targets.

Justin_Brett · 2012-07-30, 18:59

I think you're not giving them enough credit. If they need to they can find new strengths here. Sometimes soldiers need to do that.

Akiyoshi · 2012-07-30, 19:30

I'll give them enough credit when a major victory gets achieved thorugh the exclusive use of an AEC-unit xDU

Justin_Brett · 2012-07-30, 19:41

That already happened last chapter, you just keep bending over backwards to avoid seeing it.

Rising Dragon · 2012-07-30, 19:50

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Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

I'll give them enough credit when a major victory gets achieved thorugh the exclusive use of an AEC-unit xDU

Ha! No you won't.

Lhklan · 2012-07-30, 19:51

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Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

And ended up dampening the heroes's individual talents as a consequence xDU

Elites should get weapons tuned to fit their strenghts and cover their weknesses instead of them being the ones in the need to get adapted to the weapon. At lest they should get custom upgraded versions of the AEC's and not mass production models that break constantly and do a semi-decent job against their intended targets.

But before the company can customize the AEC equipment, wouldn't they need data from the mass produced unit to optimize it to the wielder's need?
I mean, sure, there are generics models focused on one thing, but the the elites took it even further than that. Like say, Fate and SIgnum. The former relies on speed more while the latter focus on strength.

00-Raiser · 2012-07-30, 20:40

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Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

Elites should get weapons tuned to fit their strenghts and cover their weknesses instead of them being the ones in the need to get adapted to the weapon. At lest they should get custom upgraded versions of the AEC's and not mass production models that break constantly and do a semi-decent job against their intended targets.

I'd agree with you but these weapons are in the testing phases. Data needs to be collected and refined before they're passed off to the regular troops. As combat instructors, Nanoha and Vita at least have this in their job description.

For a similar situation, look at Muv Luv Alternative Total Eclipse. Yuuya keeps complaining about how 'shitty' Japanese TSFs are compared to American ones. He doesn't want to pilot a Japanese TSF but the whole bloody point of the project he's a test pilot for is to develop a better TSF for the Japanese to use.

Justin_Brett · 2012-07-30, 21:34

That and he's kind of xenophobic. Japanese dolls and all that...

WarpObscura · 2012-07-30, 21:50

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

I don't think that's going to happen, Aki.

Yeah, nah.

Come on, you should know Votoms is a different kettle of fish from Gundam and its ilk that Nanoha draw from.

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Originally Posted by Koveras Alvane

NEVER enough dakka!

T'was a Fate/Stay Night joke, actually.

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Spoiler for Obligatory Joke XD:

Ok uhm... not that i won't be happy to see Hayate back in action but... as Skane mentioned i'll remain cautious. Strike Cannons and specially Fortress units aren't renowed precisely for their effectiveness xDU

I could see Curren totally trashing trough that thing xD

How am I gonna stop some big mean motherhubbard from tearing me a structurally superfluous new behind?

The answer? Use a Fortress.

And if that don't work?

Use more Fortress.

Justin_Brett · 2012-07-30, 21:53

So I assume they're fighting the Hucks again - this is the second half of 25, right?

bhl88 · 2012-07-31, 00:56

Unlimited Fortress Works, after that the gov't sinks into debt xD

Reason: too expensive to replace and it gets destroyed like tissue paper.

Akiyoshi · 2012-07-31, 00:58

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

That already happened last chapter, you just keep bending over backwards to avoid seeing it.

That wasn't neither a victory nor major xDU

Nothing relevant was accomplished through that particular battle and Signum failed to completely defeat Cypha anyway xDU

...oh, and Signum got her new equipement trashed anyway while Cypha just lost an easily replaceable arm xD

bhl88 · 2012-07-31, 00:59

And the hand reattached with a smug grin

FRS · 2012-07-31, 02:35

IRL mass produced work better than prototype since the bugs were sorted during the test phase.

2012-07-30, 15:17	Link #6422
LostSome Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Canada	It`s the fact that Hayate`s using the Fortress too that I find rather boring. Yet, Tsuzuki is not lacking imagination with the dividers. But seriously, I`m not expecting much simply because they can`t have Hayate do better than Nanoha with the Fortress, can they now ? __________________ Nyohohohoho ! It`s the law of the universe that only wizards die as virgins. You can`t let yourself die as a virgin, right ? -Old geezer.

2012-07-30, 15:27	Link #6423
panzerfan Name means little... Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2004	Realistically, Hayate should get binders to improve her AMBAC before worrying about other things... Hayate can top Nanoha by using a nuclear bazooka, Moonlight Butterfly, Ide Cannon, Wings of Light, Satellite Cannon, or to be a little modest, METEOR unit/Orchis unit. Given the huge variety of choices out there for MS loadout, it does seem a bit underwhelming to stick with Fortress, doesn't it? __________________ It would be enough for the depressing things in life to only exist in reality. It is because that I think the birth of a story... is from people dreaming of a happy ending. ~Misaka Shiori

2012-07-30, 19:30	Link #6429
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2012-07-31, 00:56	Link #6437
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2012-07-31, 00:59	Link #6439
bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	And the hand reattached with a smug grin __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

2012-07-30, 14:42	Link #6421
VezSketch Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Age: 34	I see nothing wrong with Hayate getting into the fray, she hasn't even had a proper fight ever in the series. I just kind of want something actually interesting to arise in Force ...

2012-07-30, 18:59	Link #6428
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	I think you're not giving them enough credit. If they need to they can find new strengths here. Sometimes soldiers need to do that.

2012-07-30, 19:41	Link #6430
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	That already happened last chapter, you just keep bending over backwards to avoid seeing it.

2012-07-30, 21:34	Link #6434
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	That and he's kind of xenophobic. Japanese dolls and all that...

2012-07-30, 21:53	Link #6436
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	So I assume they're fighting the Hucks again - this is the second half of 25, right?

2012-07-31, 02:35	Link #6440
FRS Lurker on the threshold Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: France Age: 46	IRL mass produced work better than prototype since the bugs were sorted during the test phase.