2010-09-11, 08:40 | Link #1 |
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Why people hate rebuild of evangelion and the anime NHK ??
I mostly heard bad and negative impressions around rebuild of evangelion and a friend told me that NHK was kinda hated around anime fans
well, for me : NHK was a superb anime of 24 episodes (or 26 , i dont remember well) wich was talking about a young guy with a big potential but too shy and too stupid sometimes I loved NHK because all the comedy thing (the dream interpretation and the online girlfriend video game twist ) Also NHK had a great opening with great animations in episodes, so what the hell is wrong with people about this HIT? Maybe there is no final great twist but the anime have a great ending for me , very very very touching and beautiful and realistic! For rebuild , i mostly heard critiques about anno (again-_-) , but honestly , at least the animation and the screenplay works wasn't superb? Maybe the scenario was kinda weird with all those little scenario new things like the vatican thing anyway the second rebuild movie was impressive and crazy , i can't wait for quickening now.
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*To defeat the argument in advance that "People are just bitter that it didn't follow the story", the filler is so bad that people who had no familiarity with the original could tell the difference in the writing quality. Quote:
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2010-09-11, 09:20 | Link #3 | |
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Yeah , it's seems that it was because it was an adaptation then I didnt knew myself xd , i was thinking it was original anime from gonzo XD bayoab For the fillers? really , since i dont know the original creation, i cant compare but i loved overall the episodes , the old friend of the hero who became a weird girl with a weird society with a rich boss with a nice car (and the employee was like braindead seriously, that was scary) The long nice haired girl who wanted to commit suicide with some other guys that she met into internet , damnit , this episode was thrilling awesome for me! For the animation, okay , maybe in my souvenir , the animation was nice and maybe if i see that again today i'll notice it. Are you a gonzo hater? because the thing i loved with gonzo production was that their ending for their show was always(mostly) GREAT! and not show with a shitty ending wich have nonsense So if they used the manga for the ending of NHK , then it was a great and smart choice I loved Gonzo , they were great for me even if they can probably can't reach the quality and the aura of Gainax or Bones, they were very productive and serious. Did you saw Yukikaze? it was for me awesomeness, and the end was epic too It was the only serious contender for Macross Zero !
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2010-09-11, 09:51 | Link #4 |
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Rebuild of Evangelion was great. But many fans scream after the end of Eva 2.0: "THAT AIN'T SHINJI. SHINJI IS A USELESS AND COWARD WIMP" or something along that line.
Me? I welcome this kind of Shinji. I kind of think the original series as the Asuka Route, while the rebuild is Rei route, speaking with galge terms. And for me, Rei>>>>>>>>>>>Asuka. NHK? Hm, I don't know. Back when I watched it I wasn't the elitist that I am now, so I didn't bitch about anything of it. Also, Gonzo is no more lol.
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2010-09-11, 17:27 | Link #5 |
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I was always under the impression that Welcome to the NHK was well received. Everywhere I look I see high scores for it. I agree that the animation wasn't the best and there wasn't enough character development for my taste but still... I wish I could see more shows of this quality.
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2010-09-11, 20:00 | Link #6 |
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I've actually read and heard much more praise for Rebuild of Evangelion than I've read and heard criticism of it. But then, maybe that's based on the particular anime fans that I tend to talk with the most (i.e. most of them tend to have nothing against remakes whatsoever).
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2010-09-11, 20:38 | Link #7 |
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I've never heard anyone bash Welcome to the NHK! It's a funny show.
Rebuild, well it's generally well received. Complaints can be found in that appropriate thread and anything I think about it can be found there. But a lot of it can be attributed cramming a rather complex story like Evangelion into a movie format. And no, not all the fans of the show are sadists who want to see the characters suffer. But I'm also guessing that it's kinda disappointing. Are they bad films? Of course not. But did they stand out to the original series to me? Not really, I don't think it did anything new to hold its own in this day in age; I was far more blown away with the Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya. The fights look great though.
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2010-09-11, 21:19 | Link #8 |
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@bayoab - Ignorance must really be bliss then because I saw almost none of the problems you've pontificated on...If anything I initially thought it might have a backlash because it portrayed the otaku//hikkikimoru's so accurate it would make that same audience (self-aware audience) not like some of what they've become (or portrayed as becoming)...
To me this show was excellent in it's mix of realism and tragic comedy...And every so often (if rarely) something betrays the original source material (or intentions) and still winds up being outstanding (Kare Kano would also fit here IMO)..Welcome to the NHK is one of these properties...I too thought this show was well-received, but if it's just me that's cool because it's one of my alltime favs...
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Plus, this is hardly the only instance of otaku being brutal on what they consider a bad adaptation. Just compare the opinions of people who did and didn't play the Umineko visual novel before watching the anime and then look at the anime's sales relative to what you'd expect from such a well known franchise. I've seen this behaviour from a few North American comic book fans and even Lord of the Rings fans too... but Hollywood movies have a huge casual audience whereas anime if highly reliant on the source material's hardcore fans for sales.
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There's also other criticisms such as introducing a new character that seems to be nothing more than pointless fanservice, taking up time that is already in short supply. And in a way, the 2nd movie in particular just feels like mostly fanservice. Enjoyable fanservice, but that doesn't change anything. Now, I have nothing against new Shinji anyways. There's just not that much to talk about the other people. Well except... Spoiler for 2.0:
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2010-09-11, 22:05 | Link #11 |
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Because people are never satisfied with anything. But as much as I have heard, only the gundam fans are the ones who really hate RoE movies because... you know, it's Evangelion.
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Rebuild of Evangelion 2.0 is a travesty in the franchise that is Evangelion. It destroys the characters, drops many of its themes and plot points, and borders on trying to become your typical hotblooded mecha series.
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2010-09-13, 19:06 | Link #15 |
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Nobody dislikes NHK as a whole; just the anime.
As for NGE, people dislike what they dislike and usually miss the point where a series can be a good job around "dislike". For example, I don't like eating fish but I still appreciate the cook's work to make it good. I will never call a dish bad because it has fish. Only if it's burned or too raw or something. I have heard many things of why people dislike NGE. And they are all about "missing the point." Shinji is depressing. He was made to be as such. The story has mecha and they are not Gundams or Tengen Toppa. Tough luck. The ending was weird. Yes, that does not make it bad. Just weird. In other news Highschool of the Dead is a piece of retarded shit and exists just so you can fap with some zombies as side dish. But it was done so over the top ludicrusly, it was actually half-good. |
2010-09-13, 19:34 | Link #17 |
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I actually have a theory on what Anno is trying to do with Rebuild. It's pretty well known that Anno had major depression problems during the time he was working on the original Evangelion. On the other hand, recent interviews suggest he's much happier these days. Both the original Evangelion and Rebuild seem to reflect his moods at the time he was working on them. My guess is that Anno simply looked back on Evangelion and thought that what he said with it was too pessimistic. Looking through the last of changes you noted, many of them seem to have been made with the intention of giving the movie a more optimistic tone, and I expect this general mood to continue in 3.0 and 4.0. I don't know if these changes are going to contribute to some message in the long run. Anno seems to be holding his cards close to his chest on what that message might be.
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2010-09-14, 02:01 | Link #19 |
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I haven't watch the rebuild of EVA, but I believe when there is a remake, audience want the main plot exactly the same as the original, with added character background, filled the holes in the original and improved graphics and sound. If they want to change the main plot or even worse theme, they should come up with a completely new story.
I have this problem when watching Zeta Gundam the movie. One of the most iconic plot (in the history of gundam) regarding Zeta Gundam is Camille becomes almost comatose and they change it completely in the movie. I must say I am unhappy with that. So to me, EVA is a depressing anime. Any attempt to make it less depressing is wrong.
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The issue with N.H.K. is that many people take it as an educational series, a look into the world of contemporary Japan, because it features mainstream Japanese controversy types. The piss-poor sales of R2 DVDs reflect the poor handling of the adaptation, and my guess is that this type of material doesn't interest Japanese otaku one bit.
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