2007-03-28, 13:14 | Link #21 |
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I think objectively a real filler in an anime is an episodes that were made because they ran out of source material but still want to air something until new source material came, or an episode that made because the studio want to take a break (usually the episode come in a form of recap).
If they add something to the original source material, but it still related to the main part of the story, then it isn't a filler. If they ran out of source but still have the time to made something up and try to end it, then i think that it's not a filler. I think it more like an alternate version of the same main story. Chrno Crusade and Gantz did this. On the other hand, Naruto later episodes are fillers because it tried to buy some time until they have enough material to be animated. One of the worst offender are the recap episodes in Gundam Seed Destiny, because there are too many recaps and some of the recaps being aired too closely. It obvious that the studio try to buy some time because either they were to tired or the material isn't ready. By this definition then Dragon Ball GT definitely isn't a huge filler, but my subjective self is telling me that this is just a filler ending season made so that Bandai could sell more merchandise |
2007-04-10, 07:25 | Link #24 |
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After reading the responses here, I think we all agree that the following are filler:
Given they are not in the original manga... 1) Episodes that are of subpar plot and story, and have no bearing on any of the original work. 2) Episodes that if missed, would not effect the viewer's perception of what is going on, and what is going to happen. 3) (In my opinion the worst kind) Episodes that legitimately conflict with the canon of the story, creating plot holes the size of sinkholes. Beyond these three designations, most of us would agree an episode that the overall community perceives to be 'worthless' would be filler. Finally, and only some of us agree on this one, filler is anything that creates no 'grand scheme' plot changes, regardless of manga inclusion. |
2007-04-18, 05:00 | Link #25 | |
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This is based on my logic that it's wrong to count anything "uninteresting" or "worthless" as filler. Filler is merely recaps or anything else not in the original material. But therefore it would be best described as "anime original", but everyone likes the word "filler"... so meh. Okay, let's say a manga had a month timeskip, where one of the main characters had died. Say the anime at the timeskip went into an "anime original" mini-arc, which showed the character that died in the manga actually dying(which wasn't in the manga because of the timeskip). -Was that part in the manga? No, it was "skipped" -Is that death scene anime-exclusive? Yes, as there was no flashbacks shown in the manga. It was a scene that happened, but was merely skipped. Would it count as filler though? -It's an event that happened in-continuity(important-it's history) -It wasn't originally part of the manga(unimportant-the manga can't show everything) -It was recognized in the manga(unimportant-the manga can't mention everything) Bleach 119, regardless of anything "important" happening and it being a flashback, is the same case. It indeed happened in-continuity, but wasn't in the manga. This goes for the whole Bound arc, which was officially called an "anime original" arc. If it didn't happen, the leftover characters(the modsoul trio) wouldn't be seen in the future... but they are(at Urahara's, in the new OP, etc). It might not be "canon", but it's still in the anime continuity and even if it told a different story altogether, it should at least be aknowledged when dealing with the rest of the Bleach anime. To put my view of it all into perspective: I think it's just logical to not classify everything one deems as boring/unimportant as "filler". One should also aknowledge anime-original events and characters to exist in the anime rather than consider it manga and disregard everything else. I don't know how many times I'm casually discussing the anime when someone posts "that was filler, it's not supposed to count"... as if something official is telling them to disregard every trace of it. They even go as far as to say that filler pollutes anime and messes continuity up. Logically the mangaka has final say in what's added to his continuity via anime, games, or whatever... and I don't think he'd let something that'd only "pollute" his original vision in the franchise.
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2007-04-18, 10:37 | Link #26 | |
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I wrote this in the Naruto Forum, but I beleive it applies here...
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2007-04-18, 10:58 | Link #27 |
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Something of respectable length that's not in the original material.
That's all there is to it. While filler quality may differ depending on the particular anime, I don't consider filler to be bad as for most parts, they allow exploitation of characters, even if non-developed. If I don't want to watch a particular filler, I just don't. If there's characters I like in fillers even though they don't have any contributions or meaning to the plot, then why not?
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2007-04-18, 11:30 | Link #28 |
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Any episode that doesn't actually advance the plot in some way. Christmas episodes generally fall into this category according to how I do it. Recap episodes I can hack in moderation (1 for a 26 episode series, 2or3 max for 50 episode series)
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2007-04-19, 01:27 | Link #30 |
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I'm definitely agree with TheWanderer. Something happened in the anime but not happened in the manga shouldn't called a filler. I'd like to call that as some kind of "Improvization".
For me filler would be something like recap episodes, side episodes (which really had nothing to do with the main plot. e.g. Da Capo side eps), and additional fan-service scene or something like that.
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