2008-10-03, 08:58 | Link #921 |
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Obviously, I did not mean they'll use it against regular old Lost Logia C or regular criminal B. However, if you believe the potential harm levels claimed (because we never actually saw it, remember, we are just constantly told about this) for high-level Lost Logia, yes, even a 100km AOE weapon might be a better option.
If things deteoriate to the point where it needs a weapon of such destructive power, what difference does it make that the Arc-level blow is delivered from a ship or from the ground? For your nuke analogy, think of a scenario where a bioagent that has the capability to wipe out at least the United States population was released, and the only weapon that will reliably incinerate the bioagent happens to be the holocaustic temperatures of a nuke. Further, for the morality and priorities of even a recruit-poster good Midchildran, you can just remember how close we were to being nuked in Nanoha A's. True, it is Midchildra, not the unimportant little 97th, but it still says much about their mentality on such matters. It is a mix of their belief in the high danger levels of Lost Logia and a general sense of amorality over vaporizing ~100 million people (or more, depending on the secondary zones of effect). Oh, and let's not forget Graham's "brilliant" idea of activating the oh-so-dangerous BoD right on his home planet. Maybe he quietly hates Japanese and thinks if things deteoriate and Arcie wipes them out it is a good thing... but I digress. Finally, you completely ignore the possibilities of yield or aiming control to reduce collateral damage. Of course, you are right that the People, who are known for their inability to face up to the extreme measures for Worst Case scenarios, will raise a big squawk about such things. Sometimes, the government does have to make decisions that are beyond the understanding of the average civilian. Regius: Ultimately, I don't really agree that Regius is a prick or a bureaucrat at all. He sees a major weakness in his units operation, and seeing that his superiors are not getting him what he needs for the job, tries to remedy the deficiency himself with Einherjar and the Combat Cyborg project. Right or wrong, he's a personal of substantial moral courage. What Regius ultimately hopes for, probably, is a system with both Einherjar and Combat Cyborgs, with contingents on all worlds. With the Combat Cyborgs supporting the (apparently very few) S-mages the Ground Forces has, and with Einherjar as the final backstop. By increasing the capability of the Ground Forces, it reduces the chance of Einherjar would have to be brought into play, but the capability is there and ready. Parochialism aside, Einherjar would also have a faster response time than a ship from HQ. What little we know about Lost Logia running amok seems to suggest they are often supercritical types - the longer you leave it out of control generally the harder they are to stop. So, by having the ground based unit fire quickly rather than slowly call in a ship (or worse, maybe they have to install the Arcenciel first... or wait while Sailing Force HQ slowly sorts through its priorities), you can reduce the firepower used and reduce the total harm, even in a worst case scenario. |
2008-10-03, 09:17 | Link #924 | |
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*Comar headdesks repeatedly at ark's continued habit of reading into things waaaaaay too much* Guess I can't argue with the rest of your points though, although I share Anh_Minh's question as to whether it's cheaper to build ground installations on all planets in the bureau rather than simply rely on ship-based AeCs. You'd also have to build multiple installations in strategic locations to ensure interlinking coverage patterns so you can hit a planet-killing Logia anywhere on the surface. Much easier and more cost-effective to rely on the navy, methinks.
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2008-10-03, 11:48 | Link #926 |
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It's the eternal discussion of letting every small administration branch having its own military power, or relying on a strong, central administrated force. Giving ground to air ion cannon to every satellite planet would equate to diminishing Midchilda power, and history tells us that the higher ups have never been fond of that idea
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Just how do you reach the conclusion that it is a better policy to build enough guns to shoot everywhere in the known multiverse than to send ships to deal with problems as they arise? Did you mean just on all major worlds or something? Plus if the politics military deployment in the Nanohaverse are anything like they are on our Earth a fleet in orbit is going to be much more politically palatable on some worlds than a big ground installation.
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2008-10-06, 02:27 | Link #929 | |||
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[QUOTE=Kikaifan;1962712]I think it's pretty funny that you laud Regius and trash Graham when Graham's actions are by far the more excusable, since the people he endangered were going to be in the same situation a few weeks or months down the line if he hadn't done anything anyway.
Actually, had Graham done nothing, the whole near-disaster looks as if it'll have ended around Ep5. Still, it isn't the CONOPS of sacrificing one person that's so bad. It is the little detail where he chooses to perform his forced activation in a populated area. Besides, at least Regius did not knowingly endanger >100 million people, or even a whole planet when he started his Einherjar and Combat Cyborg projects. The same seems not to apply for Graham. He also had a more strategic focus (peace of all areas under jurisdiction of GF) than Graham, who despite his superior rank obsesses over one LL. Quote:
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Vivio is going to get bigger then any of the main cast members. Looks like I'll have to adjust my plans for Syn being the tallest of the two. Quote:
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Also, Graham was obsessed over 'one Lost Logia' that killed millions for milenia and showed no sign of stopping. That sort of puts things into perspective, no? Graham and Regius are two sides of the same coin: Both of them wanted to protect what they held dear to the point where they wanted to make unethical sacrifices. Last edited by Keroko; 2008-10-06 at 03:43. |
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And as I said, it wasn't so much his cure plan in general. It was the part where he had to arrange the whole thing to happen in one of the most densely populated nations in the world. Can't he do his op in Siberia or Far North Canada or Alaska where relatively few have to die even if he has to cut a 200km wide hemisphere out of his homeworld in the end? Can't he teleport her to at least somewhere out of town before he starts his little activation ritual? Quote:
Let me put it this way. If we didn't do this, and something happened, and ultimately they had to Arc a hundred million people, would you like to be the one that stands in front of the survivors to say "Yeah, we could probably have stopped this if only we agreed to Combat Cyborgs. But at that time it seemed so unethical..." Quote:
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2008-10-09, 19:45 | Link #934 |
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Hi guys, I just wanted to ask some questions regarding SSX if its okay XD.
1. Does Cross Mirage still have its Two Hand mode? 2. Is there anything special about Cross Mirage's new form? 3. Did Caro and Elio went back to their wild life preservation duties after the incidents in SSX? 4. Did Teana learned any new spells? Anyway, I apologize if any of these have been mentioned before or if I caused any inconvenience on your part. I'm just in a hurry since I managed to have some free time today to write the continuation of my fanfic. |
2008-10-16, 08:26 | Link #937 |
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Cross Mirage's 3rd form:
If my katakana interpretation skills doesn't fail me(which it does frequently), then I believe it's called "Blazer". Here's the poster. It says [ブレイザ―] in the description for Cross Mirage.' SSX Questions: 1. Is it stated which magical path Vivio takes? Her biological heritage of being an Ancient Belka Knight? Follow her mamas' path of being Mid-Childen mage? Neo-Belkan Knight like Erio? Neo Belkan mage like Subaru? Or take a leaf out of Hayate's book(pun NOT intended), and become a Mage Knight? 2. By then, what kind of style does she take? Offensive like most of the character's we've seen? Supportive like Shamal, or research like Yuuno? 3. What kind of unit in the TSAB are the numbers assigned to? 4. Is Subaru still in the disaster relief squad as depicted in StrikerS epilogue? If not, then what happened that she had to get involved SSX? 5. Same question for Erio and Caro. [ /rant ]
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2008-10-16, 09:01 | Link #938 |
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1. That was never actually revealed as far as I know.
2. At the moment she seems quite skillful at Yuuno's data gathering magic, but we don't know what her approach to combat will be. She's still in school in SSX, and I don't think they're teaching advanced magic combat in school. 3. An investigation unit, led by Ginga. Zafira acts as Ginga's trainer in the investigator field. 4. She was disaster relief, and buildings were on fire. Subaru dived in and found Expillia, things spiraled of from there. 5. Invited for a reunion, if I recall correctly. |
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