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From what I see, Hinata's just following her dad's orders and the expectations of the villagers. Kind of like Higurashi and Satoko. There might be people who care about Hayami, but they feel it isn't in their place to do anything. Hinata looks like she wants to talk to Hayami, but doesn't. She's basically at the very top compared to the very bottom Hayami, so she isn't allowed to interact with the "cockroach". Yui seems to be on the higher scale too, and looks down on Hayami (just like people do to real cockroaches?). But this is all a guess. Of course.
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2008-01-12, 03:58 | Link #223 | |
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Teachers are meant to maintain a neutral stance towards their students...she is another bitch who has decided to follow the leader Hayami getting bullied like that must have some connection with her firey past...even so, she is just a kid dammit!
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2008-01-12, 04:37 | Link #224 |
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Um, what is up with people bashing H2O? It seems every blog is bashing it for the most silliest and obvious of reasons (okay, so the animation isn't perfect and the melodrama is melodramatic. Okay, so...)
I thought ep 2 was pretty good for what it was. I mean, Hayami is so bedeviled that adults actually condone her being attacked and being physically isolated? I'm guessing that she either purposefully set her own home on fire. Though it's likely that it's all a terrible mi stake. Myself;Yourself de ja vu! |
2008-01-12, 07:21 | Link #225 |
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Episode 2 was kinda... a big letdown compared to episode 1.
the major 2 issues here were already mentioned but anyway: the drastic drop of quality (art and animation wise) and simply the plot itself. For the first point, I don't really expect a show to be consistent at each episode (especially that H2O wasn't bright in that regard from the start). However, we are only at episode 2, and the characters faces are not only "shifting" in proportions, but expressions were also off. What is more is actually how frame are skipped (the way how Hayami was acting on the bridge with Takuma was enough to warrant a "meh"). Now, for the second point, my opinion matches quite well with omni's: basically the plot doesn't move that well, as Takuma didn't exactly did anything that different from episode 1. The situation didn't go farther, as he only get a slight stronger bound with Hayami, that's all. Though it is assumed to keep the "mystery" and "suspense" why everyone "hates" Hayami, I feel the situation is completely irrealist in that regard: I can buy this "hate" from the students (more or less), but I don't exactly get the adults reaction. If Hayami is that hated, why is she allowed to come in the school to begin with? The reasoning and actions aren't matching well: is this revenge or only bully actions? Such hate should involve the first point though the way how it is played so far would involve the second point. The other issue is how the characters fail to actually justify themselves: I don't mind hayami "don't involve with me", but Hinata's reactions are so extreme it is a wonder why she didn't say a reason to Takuma (I even expected a simple lie or so, because she consider Hayami as a demon... that's quite big for such character). The final plot issue is most likely Takmua's miracle eyesight: why people just don't have any problem with this? And no, it seems that they didn't do a "true timeskip" considering that Takuma "paid back" the ramen cups, which he would do it already by his nature if we skipped some time already. H2O sure has potential, but episode 2 is nothing more than a dragged demonstration of Hayami's predicament. The pace isn't exactly matching episode 1, and I feel it really lack of fine follow up. Waiting for episode 3.
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2008-01-12, 07:39 | Link #226 |
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Omni didn't say the plot didn't move at all.. The only real gripe other than the animation quality drop being the lack of reaction shown by townsfolk after Takuma got his eyesight back (maybe they realized it was a psychological issue? who knows).
I think it's too early to gauge exactly why Hayami still goes to school and lets herself be tortured and factionalized, but obviously the reason can't possibly be because of some pedestrian bullying when it's gotten to the point where the adults feel uneasy handling Hayami. I agree that it's ridiculous: in a normal setting. But the situation is obviously FAR from normal. I think in a sense, the plot did move forward a bit. And I can only assume Takuma got his eyesight back due to some divine intervention steering Hayami and him together. And let's not forget that Takuma is firmly pro-Hayami and possibly is getting the townsfolk get irked by that. That will obviously develop further as the show goes on. I have to agree that it did not pack the punch of the first episode (mostly via animation quality and the fact that Takuma couldn't see) and yes, the overall quality wasn't quite as good. Again, it reminds me of middling shows like Myself;Yourself. It has the potential, but maybe not the budget or followthrough of a more full fledged series. |
2008-01-12, 07:43 | Link #227 |
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If Hayami ends up actually being some kind of monster, my interest in the story will rise considerably. Otherwise, the intense bullying is a bit silly - especially from the adults.
I don't think we're supposed to assume that Otoha is the second coming of the Christ or anything, so I'd like just a hint of explanation as to why and how she cured Takuma's blindness. Even if she's the fairy of sounds... what does that have to do with sight? And like Klashikari said: the blind boy sees, and no one has a problem with this? If nothing else, people should be a little irritated at what would now seem like a put-on in the first episode. I really like the idea of having a blind male lead, but that didn't last at all... I have a pretty liberal suspension of disbelief, but leaving things such as these completely unaddressed when the entire story hinges on them is just bad storytelling. Hopefully things start improving in the next episode. |
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2008-01-12, 07:53 | Link #229 | ||||
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I used some " for hate before, because the bullies aren't exactly "hating" Hayami in a conventional way. They loathe at her, but they have fun at beating her as their target. As result, it doesn't really involve angst. I might be wrong, but their motivation doesn't seem to be extreme (their actions are, but the origin doesn't seem so). The sole exception is obviously Hinata who shares some heavy past with Hayami, but even so, claiming Hayami is a demon involves a deep aversion. Now if we add the fact that adults aren't exactly concerned in any way (the teacher isn't even uneasy, rather "well... leave them be, even if she might have broken bones or so"), the hatred is just too fishy. As I said, If hayami is so hated to the point the adults don't care about her, why is she allowed to go to school? It might be similar to Satoko from Higurashi, but the way how it is done is drastically different. Quote:
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Budget of course can have an impact on the length of the series (so, 1 or 2 cour), however, such decision is most likely taken first, then the script is fitted within such limits.
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2008-01-12, 07:59 | Link #230 |
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I don't see how the plot isn't moving...clearly this is the arc where Hayami is the main character - like any other arcs from any other series that feature multiple girls. Its rather significant to have the flashback as well as Hinata's utter dislike for Hayami - and here I was thinking that she, at least, was the only other person to understand Hayami. Now it seems like she is even crueler towards Hayami compared to her other two friends - while they did "weep" about the oni stuff, they did so in a "fun" way - whereas all Hinata could do as make that stupid frown face. More reason is need for her but based on what has happened up til now, she seems like a "bitch" to me >.> Hayami really isn't as stong as she looks...and to see her attempting to look for help (yet still her voice says otherwise) we can se how much she needed that hug from Takuma. This kind of development from this series is soothing to watch...and whilst the animation has taken a hit, I prefer to look at the story first rather than thinking crap animation = crap series.
The one thing that bugged me is obviously the skip from Takuma being blind to being able to see...goddam what did I say all along? He is faking blindness Seriously though, at least give us a "reaction" scene - my only hope is a time skip.
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2008-01-12, 08:19 | Link #232 |
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Personally I think it would be a great twist if Hayami actually is a cockroach and due to some accident from a science experiment, she (being a cockroach) turned into a human girl.
The biggest problem was that no one seemed bothered that he got his eyesight back. And I thought him being blind would be central to the plot, it lasted one episode. I'm guessing there will be a point to it later on, but even still some reaction from the other characters would be nice. Animation - people are just too fussy IMO.
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Granted, H2O isn't as QUALITY anime (read mediocre) than what we could get recently (as long it isn't anything lik Ninomiya-kun, Higurashi S1, etc any of such whacky quality drop from a "barely average" look). Nvertherless, as long as the script shines, it won't be that impaired by the art, but sure this drop just after the second episode is worrisome. Quote:
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If it turns like CABBAGE LOVE (on a serious note: Yoake Mae yori Ruri Iro na -Crescent Love-), i think it would be quite a turn off.
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2008-01-12, 11:36 | Link #235 | |
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And I was a big basher of the "Cabbages" back when. Like others said though I hope the boy either A.) Goes blind again or B.) Get some better explinations on the situation...It all feels kinda half-assed for the moment in that regard...But thats about my only real complaint right now. Loving the rest.
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2008-01-12, 11:47 | Link #236 |
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So, the plot thickens. I wonder if there's some kind of ritualistic thing going on here. Hayami has been chosen as the village's scapegoat to keep misfortune from the village, and so she has to be hated in order to make the ritual work, which is why the teacher doesn't do anything.
Also, whether Takuma's status as 'the promised one' is also tied in to this ritual/charm/magic whatnot. Maybe I'm overcomplicating things, but I'm on board for the ride, now. |
2008-01-12, 13:49 | Link #237 |
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I was truly shocked that the teacher turned a blind eye to the harassment of Hayami . Which leads me to believe that the whole village is in on this. Takuma being able to see now is kind of weird for me as i was very turned on to the series because he was a blind. I admire his dedication to Hayami and does not care what others think of him. Even to the point where they start calling him a roach as well, its obvious he feels more of a connection with Hayami then he does with anyone else including Hinata.
We have 2 short flashbacks that didnt really show much except that Hinata once had what looked like to me a friendship with Hayami when they younger. The other scene was of a fire but we saw nothing much in that scene. Hinata seem adamant about keep Takuma away from Hayami almost to the point of annoyance. The question is why? The drop in animation didnt really bother me that much, but the repercussions for having Takuma with sight could be coming. From what i can tell most viewers were excited by the prospect of blind male lead. We are only on episode 2 and now he can see im sure he will lose it again as Otoha has told him to use his time wisely. Over all not a bad episode but the randomness bothered me a bit. Everyone hates Hayami and it seems to be to the extreme. Also, Hayami practically invited the ass whooping this time and god knows what would have happened if Takuma didnt step in. Her guard with him is dropping bit by bit even as they worked on the project together. Im afraid that the potential for the show might be wasted.
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2008-01-12, 15:37 | Link #239 |
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Yeah it's definite in my view the whole village is in on it. I'm personally convinced that Hayami really is a village scapegoat or something along those lines. If they need someone to hate, she's there. If they need someone to fear, she's there. If they need a punching bag, she's there. It just pains me how heartless a village is capable of being. Heck I would not be surprised if Hayami wasn't the first village "punching bag" and unless Takuma get them to gain that organ known as a heart, she won't be the last.
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In either case, I think you're right: Hayami's obviously the village scourge. Others have asked "if she's so hated, why do they let her go to school?" and I imagine the reason is that, by law, they can't stop her, though I imagine they've probably "suggested" it before (in a not so friendly way...). I assume that either Hayami is forcing herself to go to school (her stubborness/rebellion), and/or perhaps it's related to some sort of promise she made to her parents/grandparents/someone about it. In either case, she's developed this sort of "I won't let them beat me" attitude towards the world (to hide/face her inner "I was defeated before I started" realization), which is both admirable and tragic. |
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