2012-01-21, 17:10 | Link #101 | |
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I never disagreed with it being more gradual would be better, as you could read in my previous posts. What i meant there originally is that this graduality was never present, see how he just beats Neji in a fight and Neji is changed, even the head of the clan comes to Neji and does the before unthinkable. When he beats Gaara we see Gaara completely changed almost immedately without any further interaction from Naruto (next time we see Gaara he saves Lee's life, who he wanted to kill the last time we saw him). He does some talk and rasengans Kabuto then almost dies, but Tsunade changes her mind immedately. He changes even Nagato's thinking with one single conversation at the end of a bloody battle where many people died. The raikage changes his mind in one short conversation, and he does the complete opposite of what he wanted to do. What i meant was that Kishimoto was never a master of gradual changes, his priority seems to be to advance the story and make the battles more interesting. |
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2012-01-21, 20:07 | Link #102 |
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its fair to say that Naruto isn't in danger of Kurama turning on him. the kyuubi could only do those things because of Narutos hate. which he no longer has anymore. also if worse comes to the worse we saw Minato recreating the seal and Naruto went right back to himself when he fought pain.. So if Naruto learned this sealing jutsu.. Couldn't he do the same thing?. however it won't come to that, Kurama has been watching Naruto his whole life, his a true believer in Friend no Jutsu. and as far as we've seen, nobody has ever broken that Jutsu since the series started.
I want Kishi to show me the money with his plot holes, wasn't the kyuubi's chakra more violent that it burns the skin (ala Sakura) and also reduces the life span of Naruto with the damage its done to his body over the years. his body is much cooked or fried compared to bee's when Naruto is in his cloak. this will be interesting! still, in his Rukido mode, I see no burning of the skin what so ever, so what will Naruto's new cloak look like next week? I guess maybe Kurama was damaging him because the Kyuubi and Naruto didn't get on, and now they are cooperating and working together Naruto may not experience those side-effects of the burns and acid like issues from the cloak... I believe the next issues will give us more answers than we had in many years. Last edited by james0246; 2012-01-21 at 23:55. Reason: double post... |
2012-01-21, 20:27 | Link #103 | |
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2012-01-21, 20:45 | Link #104 | ||
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In my opinion, we should have been given several spooky scenes containing dialogue between Naruto and the kyuubi, much like the eerie themed conversation between Tobi and Sasuke, regarding Itachi. Early on the kyuubi would be tempting Naruto accomplish his goals in an evil way, then towards the end its Naruto's charisma and unfaultering resolve that begins to wear on the Kyuubi, and Naruto even challenges the kyuubi's worldview, etc. etc. To me, that would have been much more believable. |
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2012-01-21, 20:45 | Link #105 | |
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The Kyuubi's regeneration capabilities sort of help, but Naruto also has Sage mode at his disposal now to help him heal. The only reason he ended up being able to use Rasen Shuriken, if you recall.
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2012-01-22, 07:54 | Link #106 |
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I didn't see any bad effect on Bee from utilizing any level of 8-tails mode. A proof to this is also that Bee uses transformation as often as he wants, he doesn't look at this as a last resort (like Itachi or Kakashi using the MS, because it makes them blind on the long term and weakened on the short term). So it seems the only reason the kyuubi's chakra was damaging Naruto or Sakura was because it was kinda poisoned by the kyuubi's hatred.
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2012-01-22, 09:25 | Link #108 |
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^I'm hoping we see something new and different. A full transformation will just be the Kyuubi body we already know. So, it would be cool if there was something else Kishimoto could show us instead of simply another Bijuu body.
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2012-01-22, 09:34 | Link #109 |
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He already has the half-working demon chakra ball which is performed in human form, said to be impossible to do. The situation is similar to the rasenshuriken one, Naruto gains a new power and he succeeds to do the impossible. So i think there's a good chance that Naruto will fight most of this battle in human form, but i guess we all want at least half a chapter where he actually does the full transformation too. Bee also likes to mix his different levels of transformations, sometimes a full 8-tailed form and sometimes just some chakra arms. I guess about 2 chapters from now the situation might be that Kakashi and Gai and the other ninjas who arrived in the meantime will have to evacuate from the area because chakra balls flying left and right and blowing up random people. My guess is that Naruto will stop using full transformation because he will need the ability to dodge the chakra balls of 5 demons, for which he needs his human form speed. But in that form he initially wont be able to do damage, then he will have to break his human form limits and will succeed in shooting chakra balls towards the 5 demons while dodging their chakra balls at the same time.
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2012-01-22, 09:46 | Link #110 | |
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Yeah..but first, i want to see Kurama fight..the 8-tails and 9-tails vs the others tails..this,will be awesome..i wonder if kurama show something different from the Bomb...and yes..i'm also interested how will be the new powers mixed between them..
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2012-01-22, 09:55 | Link #111 | |
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2012-01-22, 10:08 | Link #112 |
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You have that one picture against dozens of others where nothing bad happened. Just look at the recent 2 anime episodes, Bee was going into beast mode multiple times and then transformed back without any noticeable bad effect. Sure one might have bruises and a bit of skin peeled off but at this level ninjas simply dont care about such things. Naruto on the island when first using his super speed broke his leg, but 1 or 2 days after that we see him fighting a whole Zetsu and zombie army as if nothing happened.
This picture shows Bee before his transformation, when using chakra shroud the skin might be replaced by that demon chakra but after the actual fight Bee never looked like being badly hurt and losing his skin or whatever, he looked healthy as always. |
2012-01-22, 10:37 | Link #113 | |
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I think we can chalk this up to kishi initially following suit with what happens when a character uses the more powerful cloaks and him simply not wanting to do it anymore. it seems he just stopped drawing the loss of skin and hoped everyone would forget about it. my guess is that since he started using the cloak forms in the story so much he realized that it made no sense for bee and naruto to keep shortening their lives that way. |
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2012-01-22, 11:42 | Link #114 | ||
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In this kind of story most powerful techniques possess a dangerous side effect to their users... The first time they use it. After that it becomes business as usual and these side effects are never heard off again.
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We have -and I can't stress this enough- an happy fox bro-fisting Naruto. Oh and on a side note I find pretty funny your point about equality and rascim on Bijuu in perspective of your old argument on summoned beasts being nothing but tool not standing in equal term with real human! Last edited by Hunter; 2012-01-22 at 11:54. |
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2012-01-22, 11:46 | Link #115 |
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^Hinata and Sakura should appear so that we can finally end the whole "will they, won't they" storyline (with Naruto, not each other ). Otherwise, none of the Konoha-11 have any real storylines any more, so Kishimoto should keep the focus off of them completely (so as not to disappoint their fans even more).
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2012-01-22, 12:06 | Link #116 | |
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It would suck a whole lot more if everyone suddenly stepped up to Naruto's level :P Except maybe if Lee opened up all 8 gates and joined the kage fight, and even then it would be the last thing he'd ever do.
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2012-01-22, 14:32 | Link #117 | |
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As for the this chapter, things have completely changed here, and it seems we all agree that the sudden change wasn't realistic enough. The whole thing looks like the author wanted to make the fight interesting as a good action shonen manga fight has to be, so he realized that Naruto must have a powerup now that he is almost beaten, and he must have it in one chapter. (i was expecting other allied forces to come to the rescue instead of what happened, and after that other ways of powerup) So he had a given time frame to do this, about 10-15 pages of this chapter, and he did it no matter how rushed it feels. I mean the continuity of the action was more important to him than the continuity of character development. |
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2012-01-22, 17:18 | Link #118 | |
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Kishi proved with Choji last year that he can make up storylines for his side characters when he wants to. It wouldn't be hard to give something for the others to finish. A nice bow on each character as the manga ends. And I doubt Kishimoto will ever end the whole Naruto/Sakura/Hinata/Sasuke thing, even if Sakura and Hinata show up during this battle. There will not be a happy ending to any of his couples. Including the side ones. He is the Joss Whedon of mangaka. |
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2012-01-22, 22:19 | Link #120 |
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-I'm with james on this one. Its not that I hate the Konoha-11 and the other more prominent side-characters (I've been wondering what happened to Karin and why she's not lending a hand), but why bother right at this stage? Naruto is, at this point in time, preparing to reach a brand new height of power. Chances are, if the Konoha-11 do show, they will only be showcased to fail and Jesus Naruto has to play The Messiah to rescue their sorry ass. Do you seriously WANT to see that and then start complaining about how someone had to save them from the fire?
-Put it this way: the longer Naruto/Kurama and Bee/Hachibi duke it out with NotReallyMadara and the rezzed beasties, the more there is a chance the 5 Kages/Alliance/Konoha-11 get to handle ZombieMadara (henceforth referred as Zombiedara) on their own without Naruto's assistance. Let the boy and his fox have their limelight now so the others can get in on it later.
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