Shakugan no SHANA Anime Season 1 Discussion

[Srin Tuar]

Originally Posted by Bahamut89

I never address anyone by name. Ever. 19 years. Works for me.

Youve never written your name down ?
Youve never signed anything or used a hanko ?
Youve never beeen called by your name, not even your myouji ?
Youve never written someone a card, or letter, or email ?

Actually, here is proof that that you use names: you are logged in as Bahamut89.
It is serving as your name in the forum. What a brazen name-haver you are.

[Newprimus]

I don't see how anyone could go without calling someone by name, unless you're really socially misfortunate, or have very uncaring or nonexistent family, etc.

[darkchibi07]

Originally Posted by Guido

Omniscient has opened up the synopsis for episode 17 along with a generous amount of pics for the second opening.

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006...n-no-shana-17/

*Kazumi is given both screentime and a slot in the new opening.

New opening.....AWESOME!

[ctrl-z]

Originally Posted by Bahamut89

I never address anyone by name. Ever. 19 years. Works for me.

I presume you've never been employed then. ;D j/k

Odd, though. I find it hard to believe.

[Bahamut]

...although theres always a possibility...i find it hard to believe too...unless bahamut89 is a mute...in that case you wont be able to vocally address anyone even if you tired...shrug...
...im guessing bahamut89 is just exaggerating or something... (feels wierd addressing another bahamut)

[Newprimus]

The new op is indeed awesome. As I said over there,


KOTOKO strikes again!!!


The music's got a nice 'soaring' feeling to it, fitting with the show. It's better than Re-sublimity imo. It feels as it'll sound a lot better in the full version though, so I'm looking forward to the single.

[NoSanninWa]

Originally Posted by Owaranai Destiny

Actually, I would go with zalas' statement. Indeed, there were only like 5 'entities' living on Tendou-kyu, and two females especially. Considering that Alastor and Shiro (Merihim) never really interacted, conversations held were mostly with Wilhelmina, and 'she' would be appropriate enough since Shana's the only other female around that warrants more talk.

That works for talking about Shana, but what if you want to attract her attention. For instance, what if Shana is busy eating melon bread and you want to get her attention so that you can tell her that her practice with Shiro is supposed to start as soon as she is done. You walk over and say, "Hey.... you!" At times like that, it is odd not to have a name.

Originally Posted by Shinova

I don't see how anyone could go without calling someone by name, unless you're really socially misfortunate, or have very uncaring or nonexistent family, etc.

Probably, but if you live in a world of 5 people and one of those people doesn't talk, it becomes a lot more possible.

[justsomeguy]

Personally, I think the new OP sounds just a bit too generic and happy, like it could come from a harem show. It just doesn't sound as exciting or forboding as Hishoku no Sora or Crystal Energy. It'll take a while to get used to it.
Anybody know when the single for the new OP and ED are released?

[Mina-sama]

...

Why don't you browse the topic a bit next time? It has been mentioned already. ED will be released on 2006/02/08 and OP on 2006/03/23.

I like the OP. Any KOTOKO fanatics here?
* Mina raises hand

[Newprimus]

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

Probably, but if you live in a world of 5 people and one of those people doesn't talk, it becomes a lot more possible.

True, but my tidbit was in reference to Bahamut's claim. Shana's hardly a normal human being, so yeah.


By the way, I was looking at the next episode preview in ep 17,

Spoiler:

I saw that character relations chart someone posted a ways back and I think that Professor tomogara is the one shown in that preview. Just how many more story arcs or enemies are there left? Cause according to the relations chart, there's not that many more enemies left, and the series could end at ep 26, but others have been saying there's enough material for 52 eps, so where is this extra material coming from? Is the characters relations chart kinda old?

[tun]

Spoiler:

Just wondering, but does anyone really sympathize with Kazumi? I'm finding it very hard for me to care about her character because she's only serving to interrupt Shana(my favorite character in the show and I'm sure the favorite character of most of you) and Yuuji's relationship. Granted the drama of a love triangle makes things more interesting, but her character is getting kind of tiring to have to watch. In any case, I wonder how she'll react when she finds out that Yuuji is a torch. Wonder if it would make her feelings for him stronger or weaker...

[zalas]

Spoiler for episode 17:

An aptly named episode, it sets up a lot of things for more action and drama to come. You have the upcoming conflict with the festival, Kazumi's dillema with seeing the true view of the world, the Bal Masque's Trinity scheming, the possibility of Yuuji having to leave the city, etc. Poor Kazumi, having actually succeeded in asking Yuuji to go with her to the festival, ends up seeing the true view of the world through Khamsin's lens.
The fact that Wilhelmina makes an entrance in the last moments of the show is great news :3

As for my opinions on the new opening, I think the video itself is pretty good, especially since it has a nice close up of Hecate, but the actual song doesn't really... go... anywhere :/

Originally Posted by Srin Tuar

Youve never written your name down ?
Youve never signed anything or used a hanko ?
Youve never beeen called by your name, not even your myouji ?
Youve never written someone a card, or letter, or email ?

Actually, here is proof that that you use names: you are logged in as Bahamut89.
It is serving as your name in the forum. What a brazen name-haver you are.

No, he's saying that he never "addresssed anyone by name." I think he means using a name to start a conversation, and not writing down a name or writing his own name. As for Shana, she wouldn't need to do any of those 4 things you mentioned.

That works for talking about Shana, but what if you want to attract her attention. For instance, what if Shana is busy eating melon bread and you want to get her attention so that you can tell her that her practice with Shiro is supposed to start as soon as she is done. You walk over and say, "Hey.... you!" At times like that, it is odd not to have a name.

Assuming you are Wilhelmina, you can just walk up to her and start saying "it would be prudent to start your training with Shiro once you are done eating." If she doesn't respond, you can tap her on the shoulder. I'm sure if she heard Wilhelmina talking, Shana would be able to discern from context who she is referring to.

[Varion]

Originally Posted by Shinova

It feels as it'll sound a lot better in the full version though, so I'm looking forward to the single.

Exactly the feeling I get I'm feeling the same way about Fate/Stay Night's ED single, hopefully they won't let me down. At first I didn't like it much, then it was decent and the chorus seemed good, then I got somewhat addicted to it. Oops. The first OP is better though The video to it is pretty good too, especially the second half with Shana fighting. Certainly made me want to see what's to come.

Just wondering, but does anyone really sympathize with Kazumi? I'm finding it very hard for me to care about her character because she's only serving to interrupt Shana(my favorite character in the show and I'm sure the favorite character of most of you) and Yuuji's relationship.

Guess I'm the only one who likes her :/ She doesn't really do anything to annoy me, and at least broke out of the 'Aww i'm nice and quiet' stereotype in Episode 12. By what everyone else is saying here it looks like she has a role to play later too, so I'll look forward to that. She's hardly my favourite character in the show, but I've not really got any reason not to feel slightly sorry for her. Yuji x Shana > Yuji x Kazumi though... obviously.

[Owaranai Destiny]

Originally Posted by tun

Spoiler:

Just wondering, but does anyone really sympathize with Kazumi? I'm finding it very hard for me to care about her character because she's only serving to interrupt Shana(my favorite character in the show and I'm sure the favorite character of most of you) and Yuuji's relationship. Granted the drama of a love triangle makes things more interesting, but her character is getting kind of tiring to have to watch. In any case, I wonder how she'll react when she finds out that Yuuji is a torch. Wonder if it would make her feelings for him stronger or weaker...

I sure do. She seemed like a really nice girl, though perhaps stereotyped as a 'nice, shy and quiet girl with good culinary skills'. But the change did come in the episode where Ike complained about Yuuji's attitude towards Kazumi, didn't it? A 'declaration of war' from Kazumi to Shana was the last thing I expected. It seems though, that she will get more involved in the world of the Guze, so I'll reserve later comments on that.

As for the OP...Perhaps it was a little too...cheerful...? It could signal a happy ending with a twist, possibly.

@ Shinova:

Spoiler:

If I'm not wrong, the novel does span a lot more than that...Whether the relationship chart is outdated or not, I'm not sure, but for one thing, I know something big is going to happen to Yuji...like death.

[Clarste]

Originally Posted by Zalas

No, he's saying that he never "addresssed anyone by name." I think he means using a name to start a conversation, and not writing down a name or writing his own name. As for Shana, she wouldn't need to do any of those 4 things you mentioned.

Yes, exactly. "Excuse me" works wonders, you know. Or, if I know someone well enough, I just start talking. It's just not necessary to use someone's name when talking to them. I do use names in conversation though, for third person references, or if someone asks me my name. I just don't "address" them. This isn't something I do consciously, it's just how I talk, for whatever reason. My point was, since I could get through life without calling people by name, why wouldn't someone be able to live without being called by name? I guess that was kind of a non-sequiter though, considering third-person usage also exists. Sorry about that.

Thinking about it though, a name is just a convenient way of describing something. If you have another, equally convenient word ("that girl" or whatever), how is that any different from having a name? Especially considering that there isn't any ambiguity in the phrase "that girl" for Shana's situation? It can easily serve the same function as a name. Well, except for the attention getting part. This is where I would substitute "Excuse me" or equivalent. Well, I've also noticed that if you stand around silently long enough, people will eventually ask you what you want, but that's not really recommended...

PS: No, I'm not mute. I've had part-time jobs before. I have a loving family who I can easily talk to.

[wrex_japan]

Originally Posted by Shinova

By the way, I was looking at the next episode preview in ep 17,

Spoiler:

I saw that character relations chart someone posted a ways back and I think that Professor tomogara is the one shown in that preview. Just how many more story arcs or enemies are there left? Cause according to the relations chart, there's not that many more enemies left, and the series could end at ep 26, but others have been saying there's enough material for 52 eps, so where is this extra material coming from? Is the characters relations chart kinda old?

So far, they've gone through 5 novels/arcs. That leaves 6 more novels to work with. But I don't think they'll animate novels 10 or 11 because there are only 9 more episodes left, and novel 10 doesn't deal with Shana anyway (it's a flashback story about Mathilde Saint-Omer and Wirhelmina). Therefore the remaining enemies should be:

Spoiler:

Tomogaras Dantalion, Shuudonai/Sydonay, Hecate, and Bel-Peol, and Shana's former trainer/surrogate mother, the Flame Haze Wirhelmina Carmel

[Guido]

With the introduction of Khamsin it disproves to me that all Flame Hazes have to be female, however, the previous arc from Shana's past gave rise upon me new questions.

1. Did all the previous Enpatsu Shakugan no Uchite before Mathilde were females?
2. Did all of them required to be contracted to Alastor?

If volume 10 of the novel is any given indication of Mathilde's past, it may shed some hints at the previous Enpatsu Shakugan before her.

Did you know that the names of the Guze no Ou which all four Flame Hazes, introduced so far in the show, are contracted derive their names from mythological monsters and demons?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alastor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marchosias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiamat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behemoth

[kron]

good new op indeed. kotoko - being. pretty nice animation sequence too : >

[zalas]

Originally Posted by Guido

With the introduction of Khamsin it disproves to me that all Flame Hazes have to be female, however, the previous arc from Shana's past gave rise upon me new questions.

1. Did all the previous Enpatsu Shakugan no Uchite before Mathilde were females?
2. Did all of them required to be contracted to Alastor?

I believe you are called the Enpatsu Shakugan no Uchite if you are Alastor's Flame Haze.

Did you know that the names of the Guze no Ou which all four Flame Hazes, introduced so far in the show, are contracted derive their names from mythological monsters and demons?

Oh, there's way more references than that ;o
For example, we have: Tiriel, Sorath, Hecate, Friagne, Sydonay, etc. Heck, I have some sort of funny feeling the author might have named Kazumi's cat after Catherine the Great of Russia -.-;;

[BiZz]

Originally Posted by Owaranai Destiny

I sure do. She seemed like a really nice girl, though perhaps stereotyped as a 'nice, shy and quiet girl with good culinary skills'. But the change did come in the episode where Ike complained about Yuuji's attitude towards Kazumi, didn't it? A 'declaration of war' from Kazumi to Shana was the last thing I expected. It seems though, that she will get more involved in the world of the Guze, so I'll reserve later comments on that.

As for the OP...Perhaps it was a little too...cheerful...? It could signal a happy ending with a twist, possibly.

@ Shinova:

Spoiler:

If I'm not wrong, the novel does span a lot more than that...Whether the relationship chart is outdated or not, I'm not sure, but for one thing, I know something big is going to happen to Yuji...like death.

Spoiler:

Yuji will die ?! O_O