2008-06-09, 00:21 | Link #1402 |
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-It was a bad joke, but it was to emphasize things he would never order.
-Yeah, not going to happen and where is he going to have the time to find the technology? -The Order would want her dead and demand blood. He can't protect her. -Where was he supposed to find one? He didn't exactly know about a lot of Geass users or did I miss something? And that whole thing was planned far in advance. The thing with Euphemia was sudden and chaotic with no planning behind it at all. Why is everyone being so critical about every little thing with this? It was an accident that he had no way of knowing about. He didn't plan on a truce with Euphemia after all. You could blame her for asking him what he was joking about with these arguments. He knew about Mao, but he had no indication or reason to think it would happen with him.
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2008-06-09, 00:23 | Link #1403 | ||
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-Laksharta, who knows -Suzaku can. Tell him the truth and tell him Euphies life is at stake. -C.C may know |
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2008-06-09, 00:28 | Link #1404 | |
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I think he can protect her from the Order though. Zero is the only reason why the Order is having such a huge success against Brittania. They wouldn't dare defy him. It would be the same thing as chopping of their own head. All he would need to do is say that she is under his protection. Sure, the Order may be extremely unhappy about it, but they will listen to him. |
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2008-06-09, 00:30 | Link #1405 |
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-Sorry that Lelouch can't act like someone smart and not make a stupid joke. Blame the writers.
-That's a bit flimsy. -And what the hell is he going to do. Euphemia would try and kill him once she realized he was Japanese. The only reason she didn't in 23 was because of the bloodloss. -I think Lelouch would have had the sense to ask her a few questions about the Geass like that. Of course, you might not think so I suppose.
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2008-06-09, 00:36 | Link #1406 | |
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The Lancelot is just a tool for war. If Suzaku is working for the Emperor for the sake of having Lancelot, he certainly isn't doing anything constructive with it. It is a complete logical fallacy to think that Suzaku don't have any other choice other than working for an evil Emperor; he WANT to work for the Emperor because he believes in following Laws, even if the law is evil.
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2008-06-09, 01:23 | Link #1407 | |
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We are at it again,the massacre joke!! I too lost a lot of respect for Lelouch after that incident. There are several ways to restrain Euphie,to lock her up in stead of killing her.
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I believe when LL shoot Euphie he had already come up with the plan to use her massacre as the trigger for the Black rebellion( he had already done all the preparation,hadn't he?).So i have no problem when Suzaku sold him to Charles or when he got his memory rewritten,he should pay for what he did. And why can people say stuff like "taking over the world is only LL mean to achieve his goal" but can't think of something like "working for the Emperor is only Suzaku mean to save his people"?? |
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2008-06-09, 02:08 | Link #1408 | |
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(As the direct opposite of Lulu, Suzaku is invincible in battle but possess no capacity for leadership. This means he would not be able to "save" anyone as a ruler of Japan.) Specifically, Suzaku is the agent for the status-quo, while Lulu is the agent for change.
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2008-06-09, 02:49 | Link #1409 | |
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At least he has the desire to save people,you should give him credit for that.
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2008-06-09, 03:00 | Link #1410 | |
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And as for Lulu, we don't actually know what he is planning right now. I will wait another week before judging his actions.
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2008-06-09, 03:29 | Link #1411 |
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He did take some action already but most people disapprove with his method so..., and don't forget about that 1 million Zero he let go last ep.
For LL: he wants to control Tianzi,doesn't he ? Why? He wants China to take his side in the war with Britania.If war break out as a result of Xingke's coup then Zero offer to help them it would be more acceptable for me.But Lelouch is too prideful for that I guess,he won't take a victory that is offered to him (chess match with Schneizel),so he kidnap the Empress and plan to use her his way!! |
2008-06-09, 03:38 | Link #1412 | |
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Taking Zero at face-value is the downfall of many. Don't forget, he wouldn't be doing something the BK wouldn't agree on.
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2008-06-09, 07:40 | Link #1413 | |
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This again? Come on, aren't we even allowed to try and defend Suzaku in the Suzaku thread now? No one is saying Lelouch geassing Euphie and having to kill her was not an accident. What seems to bother people (me at least) is that people are way too ready to dismiss it as an accident and forget it altogether. The thing is, Suzaku has no idea it was an accident, so we can't forget it as far as their relationship is concerned. Face it, to Suzaku Lelouch is a monster right now. And your saying he had no other option but to kill Euphie does not solve that.
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2008-06-09, 07:40 | Link #1414 |
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Okay will already establish the point that Lelouch had to kill Euphie just to put her out of her misery because she hated doing what she was doing and restraining her for the rest of her life wouldn't accomplish anything because she would have no memory of what she did and it would devastate her if she found out. My main issuse with Lelouch is that he took advantage of the situation and act like an complete ass to Suzaku about it when he confront him"its all in the past" someone you loved just died and that's the last thing you want to hear and even in the latest episode when Nina confronted him about Euphie again he said the same thing, apparently he's still stuck in this whole idal that he's gone to far down the dark path and there's no turning back, although in the previous episode Nunnally siad she would have forgiven Zero for most of his actions and Suzaku was on th verge as well since all he wants to know is why he killed Euphie but the latest episode didn't see any development in his ideal apparently he still conflicted with forgiving zero for want he did. So now after all that he takes advantage of the situation in China again and kidnap the emperess, I think we all sw a glimpse into Lelouch true character during the chess match in that he's no different from the emperor, infact hes a downright coward!
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2008-06-09, 11:08 | Link #1415 | |
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Also Lelouch appeals to everyones revenge fantasies as well since when most fanboys are being oppressed I'm sure they'd rather brainwash their tormentor into shooting themselves rather than sucking it up and enduring it in the hopes that it will get better one day which is what Suzaku basically does. |
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2008-06-09, 11:16 | Link #1416 | |
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2008-06-09, 11:28 | Link #1418 |
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Ah, I'd give up, Aquaman. Suzaku is the devil incarnate and we are obviously fooling ourselves thinking we're being objective by looking at things from both perspectives. He has no excuses. I hope Lelouch kills him in the most horrible way, but not too horrible so we can still see our dear hero as the kindest person on Earth.
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2008-06-09, 15:41 | Link #1419 |
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What's wrong with generalizations? Generalizations are a natural tool for the human mind, to find patterns and use those patterns to move through life more efficiently. And whatever you say, you know those generalizations are pretty much correct. When did AquamanOS say that all Suzaku haters think Britannia is evil or that all Suzaku haters indulge in revenge fantasies? The fact is that many of them do, and that's reason enough to lambast them.
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2008-06-09, 15:42 | Link #1420 | |
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You bashers give him wayyy too much credit. If he was like Lelouch where he manipulated people and sacrificed others for his own goals then sure. At the moment he's just a soldier with a confusing agenda |
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