2010-12-20, 19:59 | Link #20082 | |||
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For now, I agree with AuraTwilight: "Bernkastel, a witch from outside of Beatrice's imagination, whom has her own consciousness and free will. "
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2010-12-20, 20:08 | Link #20083 |
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Depends on how much faith you put into the representations of those in the chapter sections. Obviously bits like Yasu becoming the Witch Beatrice were representations of her developing that alternate personality, or the bits with Gaap were obviously just Yasu's view on things, so how much of it was just a representation?
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2010-12-20, 21:15 | Link #20085 | |||
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This is what we get to if we follow your broken form of logic. Quote:
Moreover, you completely missed what I was talking about. BTW, if you're denying Shkanon, then Kanon can never be Beatrice, since Shannon and Beatrice being the same is so fucking absolutely clear it's not even up for debate anymore.
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2010-12-20, 23:36 | Link #20088 |
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I just finished watching EP7. It was pretty awesome since (most) things were explained such as the answer to the epitaph and the culprit and the motive and stuff.
Now I'm upset, I have to wait another several months for the translation of the 8th game. Darn, people will be givin' out spoilers everywhere xD Back to topic. Does anyone think there really is magic in the Uminekoverse? Or is it just...people's minds? I mean, does anyone think, or is there any evidence, that Bernkastel is a normal witch who discovered Yasu's...erm...illusions and decided to take part? So many answered yet unanswered questions. Personally, I don't give a shit about her past anyway, but it'd still be fun to know XD
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2010-12-21, 00:35 | Link #20090 | |||
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That is magic. Of course, then there are the more confusing possible fantasy elements of Bern, Lambda, Dlanor, Will, etc., which whether they are truly capable of using fantasy magic, or are just another part of the delusions of Yasu's ridiculously crowded head, is up to debate. There's no concrete evidence of either side, so feel free to side with whichever one you like best. Quote:
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2010-12-21, 00:52 | Link #20091 |
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It's still possible to argue they separate people (see: A Certain Cook's Notes). We just know "Shannon" and "Kanon" are connected in some ways. The only thing we can really say for certain is that, in some of the letter bottles, Kanon and Shannon (or one of them) do not count as "people". Earlier I brought up the possibility that Kanon existed, died prior to the crime in Beatrice's four games, but lived in EP5-6 (EP5 being the only episode where he actually was on the island). The only Shkanon variation I know of, that's almost certainly true, is fictional Shkanon, and that: only for EP1-4.
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2010-12-21, 01:02 | Link #20092 | |
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About Kanon, some people were saying that he was too young since he was 16 and Shannon, Beatrice, Battler... basically the important age was 19. But then now we're presented with a Yasu that was written down as 16, and probably appearing to be 16 (possibly due to hormone deficiency from his/her injury?) but is actually 19 years old... |
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2010-12-21, 01:08 | Link #20093 | |
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Tell me about it... At least I'll get to argue the details Ryuukishi's said he won't confirm or deny when it's all over.
Or learn how to read Kanji and just read the damn Episode when it comes out. Yeah right. Quote:
Wait... discounting Shkanon (my favourite thing to do), that means that Shannon is known to be nineteen years of age... which contradicts how Yasu is supposed to be pretending to be sixteen years, three years younger than her actual age. But Yasu = Shannon. So why do people know that Shannon is nineteen, when they should figure that she is sixteen...? |
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2010-12-21, 02:00 | Link #20098 |
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Ohhh.. right, I forgot. Shannon was said to be younger than Battler and *Jessica*... And wait, what was Kanon's age again?
By the way, I finally finished the Tea Party on Saturday, having gone through the entire EP7 prior to that in Japanese instead. So I was mostly going by what people were saying on here and leaving my comments out. But now that I've read it, it appears to me this: I think the idea that people have said the Tea Party is Eva's perspective on the events has some merit. And that EvaB is the Game master, due to her tag line being heard by Lion and Ange. However, this is what I think. Bernkastel harvested Eva's *biased* perspective in which Eva mis-characterizes Kyrie and Rudolf to a large degree. George is portrayed as innocent (although... hmm.. that scene of him saying how jealous he was was pretty damn suspicious, maybe that was a patched-in source from somewhere else...) But I think as a confession of sorts, she acknowledges that she killed Natsuhi first, although she softens it by saying that was 'an accident.' I assume what happened in Rokkenjima Prime was that Eva may have published her memoirs posthumously and people now take what she said as nearly the 'flat out truth.' It is so powerful a tale that the real truth maybe being drowned out. And it may take Ange or Battler, or whoever's left to sort it all out again. Another reason why I think it was Eva's biased point of view, rather than a mystery or another game was that Will's rules seem to be totally ineffective. Although we weren't shown the battle between Will and Bern, it seemed Bern had absolutely no injuries. What I'm thinking is that a 'biased point of view' is not a mystery. The Tea Party was not a mystery and did not conform to any rules, Knox or Dine. And this is why Bern was absolutely confident when she indicated to Will that none of his attacks will hit her. (She was still responsible for putting forth this story though, so if it had been a mystery she would've been in trouble.) |
2010-12-21, 02:32 | Link #20099 |
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Kanon's age is surprisingly also said to be 16. Which is one of the reasons why Shkanon is so widespread from the beginning.
We can assume that people believe Shannon to be simply a few months older than Kanon, or that Kanon just thinks of Shannon as an older sister.
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2010-12-21, 03:40 | Link #20100 |
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Hence why the real master's age of Rokkenjima was said to be 19. Shannon was forced to lie about being younger, and then solved the epitaph, and at the point, Kinzo could've really died due to this, making her the master.
Just a weird thought...19-6= 13, this is the real age that Battler made the promise with her, so I find it really weird that she thought she could buy an apartment at this sort of age and move out and live with Battler and whatnot. Even if we say she was young, I find this disturbing. Even worse would be this...at the time she believed to be 10 years old...even worse..
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