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2013-04-23, 15:35 | Link #22 | |
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Naruto's character is designed in such a way that he needs help. He's not like Sasuke, he's stupid, he is ignorant in many thing, he's too emotional, etc. So he needs friends like Kakashi and Shikamaru who can find out the secrets and weaknesses of his enemies, he needs his parents and KillerBee and Jiraiya's frogs to give him powers (sage mode, kyuubi mode), he even needs the kyuubi and the other tailed beasts to give their powers to him, because Naruto often uses raw power to fight against enemies who have special powers. Madara's face really tells it all about his inferiority complex when it comes to Hashirama. The poor guy was humiliated so many times that beating Hashirama could be so important for him that he even gives up on his infinite tsukiyomi if he has to choose between finally being able to beat Hashirama and that. It will be quite funny to see Madara when he beats Hashirama and then Hashirama doesn't care at all but tells something similar to what Naruto is talking about and then leaves the thing to Naruto and Sasuke. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2013-04-23 at 16:17. |
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2013-04-23, 16:05 | Link #23 |
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i wonder if madara hoped/intended hashirama would be resurrected...when i consider this option then all that talk during the kage fight sounds like "if you wanna beat me, betta bring hash to the field." when he finally arrives he rinnegan steals his chakra. cause, you know, thats what he really needs in order to attain the power of the sage...
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Madara genuinely love and hate and respect and oppose Hashirama in everything. They're bitter adversary and friend but neither jealousy nor inferiority ever was into the picture with those two. |
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2013-04-23, 18:42 | Link #26 | |
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Yes, i know your opinion about Sasuke's character
But let's pretend we think about him as the author intended, then he's the less emotional and smarter guy from the two. He comes up with strategies and jutsu on his own, for example he came up with Kirin on his own and Orochi didn't have a clue about all that, while Naruto had to learn from Kakashi, he even asked Asuma about nature manipulation, etc. Quote:
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2013-04-23, 19:19 | Link #27 | |
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2013-04-23, 19:35 | Link #28 |
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So it seems fighting Hashirama again will give Madara the release he needs in order to move on. Though I thought it was strange that old man Hiruzen was summoned (died as an old man), but young Madara was summoned even though he died as an old man -- Kabuto must have done something.
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2013-04-23, 20:08 | Link #30 | |
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I much prefer it when the team-work is restricted to roles that make sense. The manga shines when tactics take precedent over brute force.
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2013-04-23, 20:32 | Link #31 |
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i am sure real team work come into play when sasuke joins naruto. those 2 had team work or perhaps hokages teamwork and minato-naruto. right now alliace seems to be dead weight unless naruto leads the alliance next chapter giving shika instructions to comep with a plan. the alliance can execute it like when shikaku was alive.
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2013-04-23, 21:36 | Link #32 | ||
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Incidentally he was only beaten twice and the first time was against Hashirama, Tobirama and a few others Senju. That's fairy close to canon. |
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2013-04-24, 08:10 | Link #33 | |
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Also, let's not forget that Mandara is not necessarily fighting alone either, he has the 10 tails and Obito. I personally think current Naruto can hold his own against Mandara, but in this Manga there are so many factors to consider... Again with the orgasm joke... it's been overplayed already
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2013-04-24, 08:32 | Link #34 | |
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2013-04-24, 11:49 | Link #35 | |
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2013-04-24, 15:40 | Link #39 |
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ughhh chapter went by too fast. I wanted to see the hokages but we probably are going to see Kakashi/Obito fight next chapter. Madara's rape face was pretty epic though. I thought he was going to completely bail on the battle to go find him. Something tells me the 10 tails will absorb harashima and be complete or something.
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2013-04-24, 18:15 | Link #40 |
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...So the alliance is made even more pathetic as they aren't even made to be able to use the kyuubi chakra themselves or even simply use kyuubi-enhanced versions of their own defensive techniques to, for instance, actually do something. I expected at least that much considering the explanation of the chakra having to be converted to each of their types... I guess the explanation was simply more Naruto fanservice, to showcase the Kyuubi's awesome power, Naruto's exceptional battle intelligence, and his now incredible talents working with chakra. “Sharing the glory” indeed.
I think its pretty unfortunate the alliance is made so weak that Naruto would have probably made more of an impact by simply creating a bunch of clones. I guess this is the part when we sit and wait until they're defeated, only for Naruto to be given more powerups (that are much needed, of course) by Minato to take away the big win when everyone else is very decisively beaten, disillusioned, and hopeless. You know, that sounds ridiculous to me not because of the difference in their caliber, but more so that it doesn't mention Suigetsu receiving some kind of benediction from Naruto, or Naruto not delivering the final blow. Apparently noone in the alliance is allowed to do anything of much significance without his involvement. |
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