Is Kakashi a Hokage lvl ninja?

[Yellow Flash]

Spoiler for FACTS:

1. Youngest chunin ever (age 6).

2. Youngest jounin ever (age 13).

3. Is cunning. [~ Shika]

4. Sense of smell. [~ Kiba]

5. Taijutsu. [~ Lee]

6. Sharingan. [~ Sasuke]

7. Former member of the ANBU.

8. 39 S class missions completed.

9. Was compared equally to Kabuto.

10. Challenged Orochimaru (few would dare).

11. Has never lost a fight (Except against Itachi & Kisame).

12. Has copied over 1,000 jutsu.

13. Obtained the Mangekyou Sharingan.

14. Is the strongest Konoha Jounin.

15. Raikiri can cut through anything.

[Rachy]

Spoiler:

1. Youngest chunin ever (age 6).

2. Youngest jounin ever (age 12).

Spoiler:

In war time.

Was compared equally to Kabuto.

Who cares? Kabuto is pathetic.

Has never lost a fight (Except against Itachi & Kisame).

And those

Spoiler:

Rock NIN's.

Is the strongest Konoha Jounin.

Maybe, Gai might be though.

But yes i think kakashi is hokage level now.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Again this thread?

Anyway after carefull consideration...is Kakashi far from an Hokage lvl ninja...so is Itachi if you ask me.

Every Hokage so far have proven to use high lvl ninjutsu's, genjutsu's and keep on fighting for quite some time.

Perhaps Itachi & Kakashi posses an more powerfull technique within their arsenal but they cant fight for long. Those 2 are only good for 1 on 1.

Every Hokage can possibly take out more then 15 jounins...while Itachi and Kakashi cant or barely fight 5 jounins.

Their stamina & chakra pool is way below an average Hokage. And this factor is very important.. (Sandaime was proof..since he was already old)

To me an Hokage should be able to kill of plenty of shinobi and still stand on top to face another great adversary like elite jounins (Itachi, Kakashi) or kage lvl jounins (Sannin)...

It was nice to see..Sarutobi defeating to zombies (who were probably at elite jounin lvl skill) and then face the beast Orochimaru himself...only his stamina and chakra pool worked against him.
I wonder what happend if those 2 Hokage's were fighting with their own mind and spirit..not being those zombies.

[Yellow Flash]

mistake. please delete.

[Blaine]

What is this? some kind of bizarre joke, Yellow Flash talking about a character other than yondaime

[ri0]

Wasn't the first fight against Zabuza a loss too? I mean he was captured in the water prison. He admitted that this was over the time he was captured and only Nartuo's trick saved him.

[Yellow Flash]

Originally Posted by ri0

Wasn't the first fight against Zabuza a loss too? I mean he was captured in the water prison. He admitted that this was over the time he was captured and only Nartuo's trick saved him.

Well, we can't say for sure he would have been captured if he was alone.

[Last_Hope]

I don´t think, if I got to appoint the next Hokage after Tsunade, that I would choose Kakashi.

He is a great ninja and he has accomplished lots of things but as I see it he has a pretty big backpack tying him down. And that would be that the eye sinks him completely. You can´t have a Hokage that have to rest a week after the tougher fights.

I would have him high in the command but not as the Hokage.

[ri0]

Originally Posted by Yellow Flash

Well, we can't say for sure he would have been captured if he was alone.

Hmm... do you mean alone with Tazuna or all alone?

[Sarugaki]

Kishimoto has one thing to do : let him switch off the sharingan and Kakashi is Kage level.

Kakashi is beyond Uchiha or Yuuga level, he's at the same level as geniuses among their clan like Neiji or Sasuke but still behind a genius among geniuses like Itachi.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Originally Posted by Yellow Flash

Spoiler for FACTS:

1. Youngest chunin ever (age 6).
Probably true...but irrelevant
2. Youngest jounin ever (age 13).
Not anymore and irrelevant
3. Is cunning. [~ Shika]
Could be...but his IQ wont surpass Shika
4. Sense of smell. [~ Kiba]
Not litterally and irrelevant
5. Taijutsu. [~ Lee]
True...Sharingan
6. Sharingan. [~ Sasuke]
True... he is more expierenced, irrelevant
7. Former member of the ANBU.
True...but irrelevant
8. 39 S class missions completed.
Havent seen all his data but could be true...irrelevant
9. Was compared equally to Kabuto.
This doesnt mean much but true...irrelevant
10. Challenged Orochimaru (few would dare).
True...but a Hokage lvl fighter needs to be able to stand fearless against any kind of enemy...even if it is 1000x stronger and bigger (Yondaime Hokage - Kyuubi)
11. Has never lost a fight (Except against Itachi & Kisame).
Not true, he lost serveral battles and definetly some which we havent seen yet.
He barely won of Zabuza (with help of Naruto, Sasuke)
12. Has copied over 1,000 jutsu.
True...but irrelevant
13. Obtained the Mangekyou Sharingan.
True...but irrelevant
14. Is the strongest Konoha Jounin.
Not True...Jiraiya is still Konoha's Strongest Jounin probably still by far...
15. Raikiri can cut through anything.
Possibly True...but irrelevant

I put with the green color my opinions/facts on this...
You made points why Kakashi is good or great but not why he is qualified to be a hokage lvl fighter..


My point of view a Hokage LvL fighter should have or be able to:
(judged from the previous Hokage's 1-4)

- alot of combat experience (Kakashi passes)
- alot of knowlegde about all jutsu's [nin, gen, tai, kin] (Kakashi passes)
- able to face ANY type of enemy even in the form of demons or demon alike (Kakashi fails)
- posses a large amount of chakra and stamina (Kakashi fails)
- ability to face multiple jounin level shinobi (Kakashi doubtfull, due to stamina-chakra)
- high level tai [offensive-defensive], ninjutsu [offensive-defensive] and genjutsu [repel/defensive] abilities (Kakashi passes, I assume..1000+ jutsu's)
- be an example to every other fellow or shinobi (Kakashi benifit of the doubt, porn reading all the time isnt his strong point)

I say Kakashi is still young and makes a good chance to reach the hokage lvl...but needs to work in the fields where he fails...
His lack of chakra and stamina has only more negative results when using the Sharingan...and Kakashi should use his energy better in my eyes..

[Yellow Flash]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

I put with the green color my opinions/facts on this. You made points why Kakashi is good or great but not why he is qualified to be a hokage lvl fighter.

Of course some of those points are minor regarding Hokage level.
But it doesn't make sense to say all my points are irrelevant,
because it is the grand total of those things that ultimately reveal Kakashi's strength.

Spoiler:

1. Youngest chunin ever (age 6).
Probably true...but irrelevant.

It is an indication of talent.

2. Youngest jounin ever (age 13).
Not anymore and irrelevant.

Yes? Who else?

3. Is cunning. [~ Shika]
Could be...but his IQ wont surpass Shika.

Well, equal is good enough.

4. Sense of smell. [~ Kiba]
Not litterally and irrelevant

Not literally? Kakashi is from a dog clan.

5. Taijutsu. [~ Lee]
True...Sharingan.

Yup.

6. Sharingan. [~ Sasuke]
True... he is more expierenced, irrelevant.

The greatest doujutsu is irrelevant? I don't think so.

7. Former member of the ANBU.
True...but irrelevant.

It's a good career move. ANBU are directly under Hokage's command.

8. 39 S class missions completed.
Havent seen all his data but could be true...irrelevant.

An impressive mission record is indeed relevant!

9. Was compared equally to Kabuto.
This doesnt mean much but true...irrelevant.

It shows how strong he is. Kabuto has quite the reputation.

10. Challenged Orochimaru (few would dare).
True...but a Hokage lvl fighter needs to be able to stand fearless against any kind of enemy...even if it is 1000x stronger and bigger (Yondaime Hokage - Kyuubi)

No. Yondaime and Shodai are the only ones who can deal with demons.
It isn't a requirement to become Hokage.

11. Has never lost a fight (Except against Itachi & Kisame).
Not true, he lost serveral battles and definetly some which we havent seen yet.

Which battle did he lose?

He barely won of Zabuza (with help of Naruto, Sasuke)

Against Zabuza, he won twice. It was good work.

12. Has copied over 1,000 jutsu.
True...but irrelevant.

Certainly not irrevelant!
A Hokage should have knowledge of various jutsu.
Kakashi is one of the best ninja in this regard.

13. Obtained the Mangekyou Sharingan.
True...but irrelevant.

Doujutsu on Itachi's level. Itachi is Hokage Level.

14. Is the strongest Konoha Jounin.
Not True...Jiraiya is still Konoha's Strongest Jounin probably still by far...

Jiraiya has retired.

15. Raikiri can cut through anything.
Possibly True...but irrelevant.

It's relevant. Yondaime created Rasengan.
Kakashi created a jutsu equally impressive.

My point of view a Hokage LvL fighter should have or be able to:
(judged from the previous Hokage's 1-4)

- alot of combat experience (Kakashi passes)
- alot of knowlegde about all jutsu's [nin, gen, tai, kin] (Kakashi passes)

I agree.

- able to face ANY type of enemy even in the form of demons or demon alike (Kakashi fails)

Against Kyuubi, anyone would fail (except...read above).

- posses a large amount of chakra and stamina (Kakashi fails)

Well, no. It's unique to possess a huge amount of chakra, like Kisame or Naruto.
Kakashi has a good enough amount.

- ability to face multiple jounin level shinobi (Kakashi doubtfull, due to stamina-chakra)

Actually, he faced multiple Iwa jounin at age 13. (Kakashi passes)

- high level tai [offensive-defensive], ninjutsu [offensive-defensive] and genjutsu [repel/defensive] abilities (Kakashi passes, I assume..1000+ jutsu's)

Agreed.

- be an example to every other fellow or shinobi (Kakashi benifit of the doubt, porn reading all the time isnt his strong point)

Kakashi is a good leader. Reading books isn't bad thing.
Tsunade is gambling and drinking.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Originally Posted by Yellow Flash

Of course some of those points are minor regarding Hokage level.
But it doesn't make sense to say all my points are irrelevant,
because it is the grand total of those things that ultimately reveal Kakashi's strength.

Spoiler:

1. Youngest chunin ever (age 6).
Probably true...but irrelevant.

It is an indication of talent.
Yes but to be at Hokage lvl talent isnt "THAT" relevant Naruto and Jiraiya had zero talent for example same was for Lee..

2. Youngest jounin ever (age 13).
Not anymore and irrelevant.

Yes? Who else?
I dont know for sure but...Neji, Tenten, Kankuro and especially Gaara seemed the case.

3. Is cunning. [~ Shika]
Could be...but his IQ wont surpass Shika.

Well, equal is good enough.
An IQ matching or near Shikamaru isnt all that relevant...it is when you want to become a good Hokage but only to be at such a level it would be not so important... If you are bright enough then that would be enough..

4. Sense of smell. [~ Kiba]
Not litterally and irrelevant

Not literally? Kakashi is from a dog clan.
I never seen Kakashi sniff at a thing...also i never read somewhere that Kakashi is from a dog clan...summoning dogs doesnt mean a thing..and when talking about Hokage lvl... is this irrelevant

5. Taijutsu. [~ Lee]
True...Sharingan.

Yup.
We already both agreed on this

6. Sharingan. [~ Sasuke]
True... he is more expierenced, irrelevant.

The greatest doujutsu is irrelevant? I don't think so.
All previous Hokages including the latest Tsunade dont posses a doujutsu.
Having a doujutsu is handy but doesnt mean anything to say..you are hokage lvl. Naruto's tool -- Kyuubi is even more powerfull then Sharingan...
Therefor irrelevant.

7. Former member of the ANBU.
True...but irrelevant.

It's a good career move. ANBU are directly under Hokage's command.
Yes...but it hasnt got anything to do with being Hokage LvL

8. 39 S class missions completed.
Havent seen all his data but could be true...irrelevant.

An impressive mission record is indeed relevant!
After going back on this subject i agree with you on this one..

9. Was compared equally to Kabuto.
This doesnt mean much but true...irrelevant.

It shows how strong he is. Kabuto has quite the reputation.
Kabuto is a good shinobi...he is excellent and probably amoung the elites of the jounin shinobi...but he isnt (ho)kage lvl therefor it was irrelevant to compare both.

10. Challenged Orochimaru (few would dare).
True...but a Hokage lvl fighter needs to be able to stand fearless against any kind of enemy...even if it is 1000x stronger and bigger (Yondaime Hokage - Kyuubi)

No. Yondaime and Shodai are the only ones who can deal with demons.
It isn't a requirement to become Hokage.
What i meant was...to deal with all demons or demon looking guys...think about:
- 9 Mystical Demons
- Jinchuuriki's
- Orochimaru (looks like a demon) those Akatsuki members..

Also i am not saying they should win...but perhaps to lure them away...stall them, mislead them to get safely away and if possible kill them. Just to deal with them.
Kakashi vs Orochimaru in this case...completly lost his focus and wasnt thinkin carefully...if he was focussed...his own chances of survival would only increase.


11. Has never lost a fight (Except against Itachi & Kisame).
Not true, he lost serveral battles and definetly some which we havent seen yet.

Which battle did he lose?
13 yrs..the battle vs those Rock Ninja's...he would've died...the Yellow Flash saved him.
(Uncertain) he probably DID fight for real in history with Maito Gai and won or lost some against Gai. The wins and loses against those 2 seem somewhat serious especially since Gai is trained to face Sharingan users..

He barely won of Zabuza (with help of Naruto, Sasuke)

Against Zabuza, he won twice. It was good work.
With help...on his own...he lost. He drop his guard..

12. Has copied over 1,000 jutsu.
True...but irrelevant.

Certainly not irrevelant!
A Hokage should have knowledge of various jutsu.
Kakashi is one of the best ninja in this regard.
That is true...but the fact that he COPIED OVER A 1000 JUTSU's IS irrelevant...
We dont know it but...i think that Jiraiya and Tsunade have less then 1000 jutsu's at their dispossal...but they do posses knowlegde about a wide range of jutsu which is more relevant.

13. Obtained the Mangekyou Sharingan.
True...but irrelevant.

Doujutsu on Itachi's level. Itachi is Hokage Level.
Having a doujutsu once again even if it is Mangekyou Sharingan doesnt make a person on a higher level...it's how you use it or how you can use it.
Itachi might be on Hokage LvL but that would be because he can use his tool to its full potential (Uchiha body)...where Kakashi fails.

14. Is the strongest Konoha Jounin.
Not True...Jiraiya is still Konoha's Strongest Jounin probably still by far...

Jiraiya has retired.
He is still a jounin under Konoha....retired or not...when Konoha is attacked he still defends it...this is an open opinion on both sides...

15. Raikiri can cut through anything.
Possibly True...but irrelevant.

It's relevant. Yondaime created Rasengan.
Kakashi created a jutsu equally impressive.
Having such a jutsu doesnt make a person suddenly hokage lvl...Sasuke and Naruto can do either moves...chidori-sasuke rasengan-naruto and both are far from hokage lvl.

Well, no. It's unique to possess a huge amount of chakra, like Kisame or Naruto.
Kakashi has a good enough amount.
Yes...and it's also a unique thing to BE on Hokage LvL...like i said i judged my opinions and or facts based on the previous 4 Hokages.
The Sannin fully qualify in those fields..and Tsunade/Jiraiya were chosen to replace the 3rd. Both Itachi and Kakashi seem like very good shinobi to face 1-3 top elites at the same time at max...while the previous ones seem to be able to deal with over 10-20 at the same time.


Actually, he faced multiple Iwa jounin at age 13. (Kakashi passes)
Kakashi did a decent job for a kid...but he lost.
During the Sand/Sound invasion he faced some jounins and many chuunins...he faced them with cover of other jounins. So i am still not convinced in this case.



Kakashi is a good leader. Reading books isn't bad thing.
Tsunade is gambling and drinking.
True...but Tsunade has a great history compared to Kakashi. There are plenty of people who look up to Tsunade, Jiraiya 1-2-3-4th hokage's.

There are only a few who look up to Kakashi (except some jounins and his (ex-)teammembers..)
Kakashi should get the respect of more shinobi

I modified your long text again
Also just to tell i dont think that all things were irrelevant it's just that most were irrelevant to make a person qualified to be at hokage lvl.

[Yellow Flash]

Spoiler:

1. Youngest chunin ever (age 6).
Probably true...but irrelevant.

It is an indication of talent.
Yes but to be at Hokage lvl talent isnt "THAT" relevant Naruto and Jiraiya had zero talent for example same was for Lee..

Well, Naruto and Lee are not Hokage level. All former Hokage are genius.

2. Youngest jounin ever (age 13).
Not anymore and irrelevant.

Yes? Who else?
I dont know for sure but...Neji, Tenten, Kankuro and especially Gaara seemed the case.

They are at age 16, 17, 18.

3. Is cunning. [~ Shika]
Could be...but his IQ wont surpass Shika.

Well, equal is good enough.
An IQ matching or near Shikamaru isnt all that relevant...it is when you want to become a good Hokage but only to be at such a level it would be not so important... If you are bright enough then that would be enough..

Kakashi proved his knowledge in all kind of jutsu.
In fact, I don't think there exists anyone who knows as much as Kakashi.

4. Sense of smell. [~ Kiba]
Not litterally and irrelevant

Not literally? Kakashi is from a dog clan.
I never seen Kakashi sniff at a thing...also i never read somewhere that Kakashi is from a dog clan...summoning dogs doesnt mean a thing..and when talking about Hokage lvl... is this irrelevant

Kakashi does sniffing all the time to find the enemy.

5. Taijutsu. [~ Lee]
True...Sharingan.

Yup.
We already both agreed on this.

True.

6. Sharingan. [~ Sasuke]
True... he is more expierenced, irrelevant.

The greatest doujutsu is irrelevant? I don't think so.
All previous Hokages including the latest Tsunade dont posses a doujutsu.
Having a doujutsu is handy but doesnt mean anything to say..you are hokage lvl. Naruto's tool -- Kyuubi is even more powerfull then Sharingan...
Therefor irrelevant.

Sharingan isn't just doujutsu, it's the source of Kakashi's growth and knowledge in battle.

7. Former member of the ANBU.
True...but irrelevant.

It's a good career move. ANBU are directly under Hokage's command.
Yes...but it hasnt got anything to do with being Hokage LvL

Yes. But to enter Anbu you need a lot of talent, as Itachi proved.

8. 39 S class missions completed.
Havent seen all his data but could be true...irrelevant.

An impressive mission record is indeed relevant!
After going back on this subject i agree with you on this one..

Good.

9. Was compared equally to Kabuto.
This doesnt mean much but true...irrelevant.

It shows how strong he is. Kabuto has quite the reputation.
Kabuto is a good shinobi...he is excellent and probably amoung the elites of the jounin shinobi...but he isnt (ho)kage lvl therefor it was irrelevant to compare both.

So Kabuto isn't Hokage level? He defeated Tsunade, the current Godaime Hokage.

10. Challenged Orochimaru (few would dare).
True...but a Hokage lvl fighter needs to be able to stand fearless against any kind of enemy...even if it is 1000x stronger and bigger (Yondaime Hokage - Kyuubi)

No. Yondaime and Shodai are the only ones who can deal with demons.
It isn't a requirement to become Hokage.
What i meant was...to deal with all demons or demon looking guys...think about:
- 9 Mystical Demons
- Jinchuuriki's
- Orochimaru (looks like a demon) those Akatsuki members..

Kakashi can deal with Jinchuuriki, I'm sure.
He already fight Itachi and Deidara, both Akatsuki members.

11. Has never lost a fight (Except against Itachi & Kisame).
Not true, he lost serveral battles and definetly some which we havent seen yet.

Which battle did he lose?
13 yrs..the battle vs those Rock Ninja's...he would've died...the Yellow Flash saved him.

No. There was no hint that he would have died.

(Uncertain) he probably DID fight for real in history with Maito Gai and won or lost some against Gai. The wins and loses against those 2 seem somewhat serious especially since Gai is trained to face Sharingan users..

Those fights are not serious battle, but various competitons.

He barely won of Zabuza (with help of Naruto, Sasuke)

Against Zabuza, he won twice. It was good work.
With help...on his own...he lost. He drop his guard..

He didn't need any help. In fact, Zabuza was the one who had help from Haku.


12. Has copied over 1,000 jutsu.
True...but irrelevant.

Certainly not irrevelant!
A Hokage should have knowledge of various jutsu.
Kakashi is one of the best ninja in this regard.
That is true...but the fact that he COPIED OVER A 1000 JUTSU's IS irrelevant...
We dont know it but...i think that Jiraiya and Tsunade have less then 1000 jutsu's at their dispossal...but they do posses knowlegde about a wide range of jutsu which is more relevant.

Kakashi is one of the greatest in knowledge about jutsu.
For example he was the only one to solve the Akatsuki Sealing.

13. Obtained the Mangekyou Sharingan.
True...but irrelevant.

Doujutsu on Itachi's level. Itachi is Hokage Level.
Having a doujutsu once again even if it is Mangekyou Sharingan doesnt make a person on a higher level...it's how you use it or how you can use it.
Itachi might be on Hokage LvL but that would be because he can use his tool to its full potential (Uchiha body)...where Kakashi fails.

Nope. Read what Deidara said about Kakashi.

14. Is the strongest Konoha Jounin.
Not True...Jiraiya is still Konoha's Strongest Jounin probably still by far...

Jiraiya has retired.
He is still a jounin under Konoha....retired or not...when Konoha is attacked he still defends it...this is an open opinion on both sides...

Jiraiya is not up to any missions. He is independent and acting on his own.

15. Raikiri can cut through anything.
Possibly True...but irrelevant.

It's relevant. Yondaime created Rasengan.
Kakashi created a jutsu equally impressive.
Having such a jutsu doesnt make a person suddenly hokage lvl...Sasuke and Naruto can do either moves...chidori-sasuke rasengan-naruto and both are far from hokage lvl.

It doesn't make Kakashi immediatly Hokage level, but it should tell you his potential!
All top-notch shinobi praise the Chidori...Orochimaru, Sandaime, Gai etc.
Then Naruto and Sasuke didn't invent those jutsu, they were just taught by greater ninja.

Yes...and it's also a unique thing to BE on Hokage LvL...like i said i judged my opinions and or facts based on the previous 4 Hokages.

We don't know anything about chakra pool of the previous Hokages.

The Sannin fully qualify in those fields..and Tsunade/Jiraiya were chosen to replace the 3rd. Both Itachi and Kakashi seem like very good shinobi to face 1-3 top elites at the same time at max...while the previous ones seem to be able to deal with over 10-20 at the same time.

The Sannin are unique because they can summon huge boss monsters.
But this isn't a requirement to become Hokage or to compete at this level.

During the Sand/Sound invasion he faced some jounins and many chuunins...he faced them with cover of other jounins. So i am still not convinced in this case.

He wasn't even serious. He was talking to Gai, and concerned about Hokage.

True...but Tsunade has a great history compared to Kakashi.
There are plenty of people who look up to Tsunade, Jiraiya 1-2-3-4th hokage's.

Kakashi can easily compete with anyone's reputation.
He is famous in all countries, and even an Akatsuki considered him a problem.
A lot of people look up to him, even Yamato who is the best Anbu ninja.

There are only a few who look up to Kakashi (except some jounins and his (ex-)teammembers..)
Kakashi should get the respect of more shinobi.

No. Even Sai looks up to Kakashi, basically everyone in Konoha.

[Yogi]

Kakashi is a competent fighter, but he exhausted himself against a one-armed Deidara who had just spent three straight days doing a sealing technique. Plus he thought that it would be suicide fighting Orochimaru, whereas the other Sannin/Hokage class people at least though they had a chance. He has never had any clean win over a Sannin/Hokage level opponent. Plus he has shown himself to be a horrible mentor. Hence, no.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

I will make this short since the quotes are starting to tire me (no offence YF)

- Yamato was a former (ANBU team member or collegue) of Kakashi

- It was Gai who was concerned about the Hokage...Kakashi was confident in his abilities.

- Like i said all previous Hokages were able to deal with strong enemy's without getting "that" tired...3rd Hokage was simply too old...

- In your posts you clearly made your opinions on Kakashi's potential...and I..WE know that he is a awesome genius...but there are plenty genius shinobi who still eventually become only a jounin.

- Haku defended Zabuza the 2nd Time...the 1st time...like i said if it werent for Sasuke and Naruto...he'd die...at that point it's save to say...Kakashi lost.

- As for Jiraiya...he gathers information for Konoha, he protects Konoha, he fights for Konoha. Only he doesnt go on (official) missions...there is a possibility that Tsunade kindly asks him to do something (spying or so...) and Jiraiya might accept it. He is absent alot afterall.

- Kabuto...he made full use of Tsunade's weakness...good..but right now...as konoha's 5th Hokage...he will surely lose in a re-match..

Also that fight was never fully decided..Tsunade was the one to stand up straight eventually.

But this is based on to many "if's"

[vampiro]

Originally Posted by ri0

Wasn't the first fight against Zabuza a loss too? I mean he was captured in the water prison. He admitted that this was over the time he was captured and only Nartuo's trick saved him.

does that make kakashi less strong? or was Zabuza just a DAMN strong opponent?

Guess we'll never know becouse we dont know how strong zabuza really was (other then his skills against kakashi)

[tritoch]

The chakra pool is a huge must for Hokage.

Just look at the signature moves the 1-2-3-4th Hokage's use. Jutsu intensive combat. The Sannin also proved to be jutsu intensive in combat. Great example would be the poisoned Jiraiya, not properly able to mesh chakra but still was able to create the swamp (although he comments its not as good as when he's healthy)

[Souten no Seigyoku]

Saw the topic today and decided to add my 2cents.

No Kakashi isnt a kage level ninja. Its true that at the beginning they revealed he knows over 1000 techniques, which seems to be a prerequisite. However, hes not kage level. He runs out of stamina too fast due to his sharingan.

He's one of the strongest Jounin along with Mite Gai.

Kage level are: Tsunade, Jiraiya, and if you've read the manga....

Spoiler:

Danzou. He has to be if he competed for the hokage title with the Sandaime. That reminds me, where the hell was he when Oro attacked konoha?

[Killuahxh]

I think Kakashi is easily Hokage acceptable... I think if J-Man and Naruto had not found Tsunade or something else, I think Kakashi would have been right their to
except his crown for Hokage. Yellow Flash has valid points, it isn't irrelevant in the
fact to be Hokage lvl anyway... Being a HOKAGE is different than being considered
Hokage Level, which is what Orochimaru and J-Man, Itachi-ect are considered....
Also, I think he'd be a great leader, as for facing enemys, I think it's true that the
Hokage should be able to summon something HUGE to protect the whole village,
but Kakashi could manage... Kakashi could handle at least 5-10 Mid-Level Jounin's
at once with his speed, jutsu and taijutsu alone, but MS and Chidori only add to
his strength... Also, I think he could handle Orochimaru for some strange reason,
their speed is quite equal, strength also... Both tons of jutsu, Chidori can cut through almost anything... Plus I think Orochimaru would wigg out when Kakashi
suddenly blew his face off into another dimension(wait, how did Diedra go and pick up her arm?), I guess just blow it off... But that would be last resort, like he
Orochimaru summoned Manda or something. I'm rambling, but gotta add one more
thing... I'll try and make it short.

On Itachi...
What is this bs about Itachi having a low chakra/stamina? And he can only take
on 1-3 elite ninja at a time... The only thing is, MS-TSUKOYMI(sp) and AMATERSU(sp) take a lot of chakra... But we still saw him easily own Asuma, Kurenia(sp) and
Kakashi all at the same time... Then use Tsukokmmomimilol and waiste a shit load
of chakra and still be moveable... It's a fact, that Itachi is just a regular ninja who is very, very fast, very, very, strong and has tons of jutsu, then you add sharingan, which can copy and predict movement ... then you add MS...

SO:

1000+ Ninjutsu, ect.
1000+ Genjutsu/Doujutsu I expect also.
Probably a big base of Kinjutsu also, I'd bet MS would be one.
Faster than Gai and Kakashi, very very fast.
Stronger than Gai and Kakashi, lets say about as strong as Kisame.
Mangekyo Sharingan, elite techniques, with sacrifice of lots of chakra.
Sharingan--Blood related-- so he can use it easily, copies and predicts.
Smart, a true genius...
Cool...