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Old 2016-11-24, 00:42   Link #9161
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Oh, that old Anti-Ichihime campaign.

First of all, it doesn't "crap" on Orihime's character. The whole Hueco Mundo arc started when Orihime decided that she could give herself up to keep the people she loved safe, but during the battle in Las Noches she admits to Ulquiorra that deep down she was overjoyed to see that the others cared this much for her (though there are Antis still under the delusion that Ichigo was only there to fight Grimmjow ), and then the last battle against Ulquiorra starts and Ichigo is essentially kill, so the guilt returns and breaks her. All in all, is not different to Rukia's reaction when she found out that Ichigo and his friends went to SS to save her, or when she though Renji might have died, or when Gin broke her by giving her a second of false hope. Both cases show the girls' selflessness and sense of responsibility.
Even before her capture, she wanted to stop relying on Ichigo, and what happened? Even when Ichigo appears dead and not moving, she cries for his help. That's the moment that craps on her character, making what she attempted to overcome for naught.

@Bolded If Ichigo himself stating that was the reason he came to Hueco Mundo won't convince you, then nothing well, but it's there written on concrete paper... It may not have been the only reason, but it was a major part of it.

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As for Ichigo. Sure, he felt back that he gave himself to he Hollow, but not for one second does he regret it and continues to use the mask. However, the fact that it does bother him is actually one of the biggest pro-Ichihime arguments since, as seen during the fight with Grimmjow and Yhwach as well, he is self-conscious of what Orihime thinks of his Hollow powers, which is something he doesn't show with any other character.
It wasn't going to make him stop using his mask. That wasn't the point. I mean sure, ignore the fact Ichigo was clearly dejected over what he did, losing control and hurting Uryu that he wanted Ulquiorra to cut off one arm and leg so that the remainder of the fight would be fair (good thing Ulquiorra fades away at that point). That this was not like his battle with Byakuya, and how he clearly is upset over how such a Pyrrhic victory that was.

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On top of all that, the Lust arc is not the only time Ichigo interacts with Ulquiorra, it's the 4th, and every single time has concerned Orihime in some way. My personal favorite is the 2nd when Ichigo was going to check on Rukia who's reiatsu had faltered while Ulquiorra was trying to goad him into a fight. Ichigo continues to ignore him until Ulquiorra mentions Orihime and immediately Ichigo forgets about everything else.
Oh come on! You're ignoring the essence of Ichigo's character. What was he supposed to do? How could he ignore Ulquiorra after that? Sure, Ichigo
is gonna be a douche and leave (as if Ulquiorra was going to let him). And of course, he would get angry. It's not something that would be limited just to Orihime alone.
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Old 2016-11-24, 01:32   Link #9162
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Even before her capture, she wanted to stop relying on Ichigo, and what happened? Even when Ichigo appears dead and not moving, she cries for his help. That's the moment that craps on her character, making what she attempted to overcome for naught.
If the moment Ulquiorra blew a whole on Ichiog's chest she had immediately broken down, then you would have an argument. But instead she immediately tried to use her powers to save him. It wasn't until that failed and she saw Uryuu getting destroyed that she realized there was nothing she, or any of them, could do to stop Ulquiorra and she snapped.



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It wasn't going to make him stop using his mask. That wasn't the point. I mean sure, ignore the fact Ichigo was clearly dejected over what he did, losing control and hurting Uryu that he wanted Ulquiorra to cut off one arm and leg so that the remainder of the fight would be fair (good thing Ulquiorra fades away at that point). That this was not like his battle with Byakuya, and how he clearly is upset over how such a Pyrrhic victory that was.
He's upset that he lost control, but he's not upset that he used those powers. And my point is that he has shown a noted concern of how Orihime reacts to his Hollow powers, while he is fine with anyone else.


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Oh come on! You're ignoring the essence of Ichigo's character. What was he supposed to do? How could he ignore Ulquiorra after that? Sure, Ichigo
is gonna be a douche and leave (as if Ulquiorra was going to let him). And of course, he would get angry. It's not something that would be limited just to Orihime alone.
Two things:

First, is not the fact that he attacked Ulquiorra, is the fact that he forget about everything else. By that point, Orihime was still someone that was taken by Aizen for her ability, so it was easy to reason that she was relatively safe, meanwhile Rukia had given out signs of being in trouble, but Ichigo still "choose" to deal with Ulquiorra instead.

Second, it doesn't matter if Ulquiorra wouldn't have left Ichigo walk away, because at the end he didn't have to force Ichigo to fight him. With only his words revealing his involvement with Orihime's predicament was enough for Ichigo to lose control and attack first.


One more thing, since this whole line of posts started with your claim of Ichihime only being present during two events in the manga, I forgot yet another moment where it was prominent: During the training with Ginjou.

Of course, these just count up the moments with hints that Ichigo may have had feelings for Orihime, because if we count her's as well as the small moments they had together throughout the series, the list will grow exponentially.
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Old 2016-11-24, 10:51   Link #9163
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If the moment Ulquiorra blew a whole on Ichiog's chest she had immediately broken down, then you would have an argument. But instead she immediately tried to use her powers to save him. It wasn't until that failed and she saw Uryuu getting destroyed that she realized there was nothing she, or any of them, could do to stop Ulquiorra and she snapped.
It's doesn't matter what the circumstances were, it still means everything she attempted to improve amounted to nothing. That's why Lust craps on her character.

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He's upset that he lost control, but he's not upset that he used those powers. And my point is that he has shown a noted concern of how Orihime reacts to his Hollow powers, while he is fine with anyone else.
You know that's because of the incident with Sora, right? It had less to do with how he looked, but that it would remind her of that event.

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Two things:

First, is not the fact that he attacked Ulquiorra, is the fact that he forget about everything else. By that point, Orihime was still someone that was taken by Aizen for her ability, so it was easy to reason that she was relatively safe, meanwhile Rukia had given out signs of being in trouble, but Ichigo still "choose" to deal with Ulquiorra instead.

Second, it doesn't matter if Ulquiorra wouldn't have left Ichigo walk away, because at the end he didn't have to force Ichigo to fight him. With only his words revealing his involvement with Orihime's predicament was enough for Ichigo to lose control and attack first.
And I'm saying your conceited if you think it was just because it was Orihime, he would have that kind of reaction, when if you paid attention to Ichigo's character and take off you shipping googles, he would have reacted the same way if it was anyone else.

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One more thing, since this whole line of posts started with your claim of Ichihime only being present during two events in the manga, I forgot yet another moment where it was prominent: During the training with Ginjou.

Of course, these just count up the moments with hints that Ichigo may have had feelings for Orihime, because if we count her's as well as the small moments they had together throughout the series, the list will grow exponentially.
I can't see any Ichihime actually liking anything about the Fullbring arc, with again Kubo stepping on their pairing. Yeah at the beginning, it looked like Orihime learned from Lust and was making steady progress, but then she had already been in contact with Tsukishima and near the finale, she helped fight against Ichigo. You could make the excuse that she was brainwashed, but then, you have freakin' BYAKUYA of all people be under the same thing, and he still didn't turn on Ichigo.
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Old 2016-11-24, 19:21   Link #9164
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It's like I just went back to 2009.
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Old 2016-12-01, 10:27   Link #9165
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Shipping always seems to bring out the more negative traits in people sad to say.

The only way to win the shipping game is not to play.
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Old 2016-12-05, 00:07   Link #9166
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Every Ichihime fan I've spoken to loves the FB since it gave us great and cute moments-Orihime breaking the brain-washing because her love for Ichigo was so strong is one of the fanbases favorite moments, along with Orihime telling Riruka she can talk about her sad past because Ichigo saved her.

Anyways, the Renruki novel will be out the 27th of this month, will be 256 pages long, and the focus is the night before their big wedding. The reconstruction of SS was also mentioned in the quick summary. Still no word on the Hisagi novel.
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Old 2016-12-08, 08:19   Link #9167
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More info about the novels
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...novels/.109645

"Matsubara is writing the Bleach: WE DO knot ALWAYS LOVE YOU novel, which will center on Rukia and Renji's wedding ceremony in Soul Society. The novel will ship on December 27. Matsubara previously wrote the Bleach: The Death Save The Strawberry novel (pictured at right), which Shueisha published in 2012.

Narita's novel centers on Shūhei Hisagi. Shūhei must throw himself into a new fight as the mystery that Kaname Tōsen left behind resurfaces. The story will reveal more details about the four noble families, the Soul King, Arrancar, and Fullbringers. The novel is slated for 2017."
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Old 2016-12-08, 22:31   Link #9168
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The cover for the Renruki novel leaked. Rukia looks beautiful and graceful as a bride.

http://i.imgur.com/y0pgWoZ.jpg
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Old 2016-12-09, 01:37   Link #9169
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what on earth did Renji do to get that expression from her??? Holy sh*t!!!!
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Old 2016-12-09, 09:13   Link #9170
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what on earth did Renji do to get that expression from her??? Holy sh*t!!!!
Marry her?
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Old 2016-12-09, 11:21   Link #9171
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Marry her?
He did the do
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Old 2016-12-09, 17:41   Link #9172
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Surprisingly enough, Tumblr has gone on tilt over the cover even before it's confirmed.
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Old 2016-12-10, 15:11   Link #9173
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The cover is legit. Here's the translation of the ad

-The first novel is by Makoto Matsubara sensei, a story around “Rukia’s Wedding”!!
-The latest novel of Bleach that finally reached it’s conclusion!!
-The content depicts the events leading up to the final chapters 10 years after the end of Yhwach
-The first story revolves around the wedding ceremony of Kuchiki Rukia and Abarai Renji
-Matsubara Makoto Sensei writes about the state of the Soul Society!!
-A tale of new bonds born in the wounded Soul Society will be spun!!

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Old 2016-12-11, 22:56   Link #9174
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J-app released the first chapter, but it's in Japanese of course. Not sure if anyone cares, but a huge Bleach fan found a translator and we will be getting weekly chapter releases once the novel is out. His twitter is @jameshanson94

Also here's a better picture of bride Rukia. She looks really beautiful.




Here's the first chapter btw-https://imgur.com/a/Zd1MD. If you read Japanese knock yourself out.
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Old 2016-12-17, 15:28   Link #9175
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A newspaper promoting the RenRuki novel was sold during Jump Festa:



The reaction of some of the characters to the news of their wedding:

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Shunsui: Congratulations. Man, this is nice, it's been a while since we had something like this.
Byakuya: I see....understood.
Rangiku: You better have a ceremony!
Hinamori: I also want you two to have a wedding ceremony...!
Lisa: Congrats... so Rangiku asked if I could get her a pearl hair accessory from the Human World before the ceremony, anyone else want anything?
Kensei: Quit shilling at the Commander's Meeting, Lisa! Anyway Shuuhei really wants to do a special feature of your wedding in the Seireitei Communication. If you don't like that, now's the time to tell him.
Hisagi: Let me do it! Please...!!
Also, the second chapter of the novel was also released showing that Yoruichi is still alive.
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Old 2016-12-17, 20:59   Link #9176
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Interesting, but the entire novel will be based on the wedding or they are gonna show how Renji proposed to her?

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Old 2016-12-18, 00:12   Link #9177
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Interesting, but the entire novel will be based on the wedding or they are gonna show how Renji proposed to her or how the two succeded Kyoraku
Where do you get the impression that they succeeded Kyouraku? She's the new 13th Squad Captain, not Captain Commander.
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Old 2016-12-23, 11:51   Link #9178
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spoilers for the novel are starting to come out from people who bought it early.

Spoiler for novel spoilers:
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Old 2016-12-23, 16:46   Link #9179
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spoilers for the novel are starting to come out from people who bought it early.

Spoiler for novel spoilers:
Even more spoilers...

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Old 2016-12-30, 17:56   Link #9180
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I have to admit, Ichigo's line to Orihime

Spoiler for cuuuute:
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