2007-08-13, 05:45 | Link #41 |
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Yumi said she wouldn't worry about going down the ladder because she wasn't wearing a skirt. So, that means knowing her undies can be seen, Sachiko went down the ladder to hug her petite soeur.
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But I agree the scene was there to show how much Yumi-chan holds Sachiko as an ideal in her mind, and how she uses her image of her as standard for her ideal persons (the contrary also stands : Sachiko already fit Yumi-s ideals, that's why Yumi was lovestruck at first sight of her, at her welcome ceremony....I do think these two psycho phenomenon mingle with each other, it happens a lot in real life after all ) Quote:
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Depends on how you see sisterly love.... when I first watch the 1st ep of Marimite, I thought it could be shoujo-ai, and then I researched on the net what an ESU novel meant, and the definition struck me as fitting. After, when a story is based only in a one gender school, we're bound to have some real love (as in physical too) relationships, like Sei and Shiori. I think I could recognize my few BEST friends wherever and whenever, no matter the crowd, and I can't say I'm in love with 3 people at once! I'm already in love with someone, I don't waver about it and we're gonna get married in a few years, but my love for my best friends is strong, and our understanding of each others is enough for us to spot each other at once in a crowd >>Those are some STRONG feelings being held back out of: *Reserveness *Scared to make the 1st move *Scared to lose friendship I agree too *Scared cause it's same girl on girl I'm not too sure about this one, seeing how she has many, many examples of girls being open with girls around her.... without forgetting Spoiler for not sure if you read about this story yet:
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I don't think they don't converse much, we just don't see them.... I think that, since we've known that Shimako was living in a temple and Sei knew it, and a few other little scenes that made me think they do keep in touch by talking with each other, on the phone during holidays even, before graduation. But I think too, that there were some things they didn't need to discuss like between Sachiko and Yumi, because that's a kind of things they already understand about each other.... Quote:
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2007-08-14, 06:28 | Link #44 |
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@Noriko-san
Nope, not thinking you're contradicting me at all.. I love to hear other sides and ideas on how people view it.. 1.) What I meant by Sei and Shimako not talking much, yes I'm sure we don't SEE everything they do, but when we do see what they do, it's like there's an invisible space of not being to attach to each other.. It seems they are kinda avoiding each other a bit (I have the same experience, and no the reason was not because I pursued someone) 2.) As for pretty boys.. All I can think about are backstreet boys, lol harharhar 3.) And yeah, guess you're right about "looking for the qualitites" of your previous love one.. However, note that it happens to every first DEEP love.. And one more to counter, there's no cure for love but to love more, so if you are loving someone DEEPLY it'll take one to forget.. It's not time.. Tried and tested by me.. n_n But if you loved someone deeply, then loved another again lightly, you can forget both and move on.. 4.) You still won't blush until you like the person in a crush like way, right? 5.) I couldn't exactly picture myself thinking I would find my bestfriend in a crowd full of people if he/she was in a mascot suit, and ran out there, even if I should say I am afraid of going down the ladder or have a fear of men.. Don't get me wrong, I love my bestfriends dearly, very dearly indeed that when they're sad I cry.. Bu this thought could only be done with someone you love dearly, not friend love, mind you.. Well, these are my point of views.. Could be just me.. n_n Anybody wanna join in for clarity? Anyway, I've been wanting to post about their possible "endings" for Maria-sama characters.. And I'm gonna start with Yumi and Sachiko. Spoiler:
Will add more, I thought about more before.. I just got home.. ^^;; Last edited by Stephanie; 2007-08-14 at 09:54. Reason: Wrong Sentences and grammar error |
2007-08-14, 23:59 | Link #46 |
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lol When Sei offered offered to do anything that Shimako wanted her to do, the translator put a (!) next to it. It seemed a lot more serious than how Sei usually treats Yumi though. Shimako, in typical Shimako angst manner, says she doesn't need to be embraced, it's enough Sei's there and on and on. However, I don't think they have that sort of relationship, ie. yuri, despite Sei's offer.
Sachiko and Yumi's relationship is another matter. I think that they might not develop into lovers, but there is a lot of sexual tension there. However, Yumi does not consider her reactions to Sachiko as abnormal, ie. when she's staring at Sachiko changing, stuff like that, even though she berates herself for it. Kinda makes me think it's not love in that way at all, because if she had feelings for another girl, she surely would ask herself questions about it. On another note, Suguru is pretty!! I think he's very cute. Too bad he's gay. lol Or is he a bi? Poor Yuuki. He's straight, right? Being preyed upon like that by a senior must be seriously freaky. I especially feel for him when he had to sleep in Suguru's room at the New Year's visit to Sachiko's house. Shimako doesn't want to be a nun anymore, right? She said it was a childish dream or something like that. But is she a Buddhist or a Christian? I think Shimako and Sei do converse a lot, but not in front of anyone. They know practically everything about each other, right? Like Shimako's family and all. But I understand Stephanie..when they talk, it's as if they is no emotions in their words, and something is separating the two. There's just something missing. It's not like how other seours talk. Like Yumi said in the 1st season, I still can't understand Sei and Shimako's relationship. They do understand each other, and I'm sure they talk a lot to each other too, as Shimako disappeared during lunch when Sei came back from her college entrance exams or something, but they way they interact make you think, "They barely know each other." Gah, the White Rose family gives me a headache talking about them. I'm gonna start blabbing incoherently if I continue. |
2007-08-15, 00:40 | Link #47 |
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Yes, Suguru is kewt! >.<
No, Shimako is a Buddhist be she wants to become a nun.. That's why she entered Lilian, to practise.. I remember her words, not exactly but kinda like this: "What would people think, having a budhist family and becoming a nun.. More importantly, what will my father think?" Well, that's why she wasn't able to just pull her hair down and relax until the episode where Sachiko and others reveal her identity as a Budhist.. (The part where 1st years are being welcomed.) After that, she feels a lot of fresh air entered her lungs and, she's free.. As for Yuuki.. Ugh, the anime is SOOO lacking, in the scantalation I read in Lililicious, Yuuki entered the room where Sachiko, Sei and Yumi where (Before they sang the "boat" song, or something).. Sachiko quickly wears a robe, while Sei doesn't care if her 'assets' were seen (She's not wearing a bra.) Yuuki asked if he could stay with them because Suguru was creepy. Suguru then follows and ask for Yuuki to come back. Sei comes for Yuuki's defence.. Later, Yuuki and Suguru sleeps in the room just beside them and if anything should happen, all Yuuki needed to do was scream. As for other parts, when the lights were turned off.. Sei hugs Yumi like a dirty old man. Yumi shrieks, "Onee-sama! Help!" Sachiko quickly opens the light and scolds Sei. Suguru opens the door and gives the look like, "Look who's doing it as well.." to Sei.. lol. Then Yumi dreams. Sei have been drowning her with candy.. Yumi: Stop it! Stop it Rosa Gigantea! *Sachiko and Sei wakes up* Sachiko: It seems even in her sleep, you bug her. Sei: Hey! My presence is a high fee! Yumi: Thank you, Sachiko-sama.. *Sachiko and Sei stares* In Sachiko's mind: Yumi, looks like I'll be depending on you again.. |
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2007-08-15, 06:00 | Link #49 |
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Just in case, no it's not fan fic.. It's in the manga.. (^__~)
EDIT: Here's a link: http://www.lililicious.net/projectDet.php?id=10 It's around Volume 4 Last edited by Stephanie; 2007-08-15 at 06:06. Reason: Adds Link |
2007-08-15, 23:26 | Link #50 | |
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I'm falling in love with Suguru...I'm already in love with Sei's antics, but Suguru is like amale version of her. XD |
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2007-08-16, 00:15 | Link #51 | |||
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Actually, these aren't the only things missed out in the anime and OVAs.. n_n
lotsa lotsa more.. I'll add them later here. Quote:
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Actually, there's many more, look here: http://ziggr.com/mariasama/ http://www.geocities.com/marianaisho/story/index.htm <-- (Warning, contains spoilers, may loose your excitement) Last edited by Stephanie; 2007-08-16 at 00:51. |
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1) I had the exact same impression of them watching the 1st season, didn't really feel anything for this family but strangeness and didn't think further about that. But after knowing more about Sei, more about Shimako, and more about how they met each other, I re-watched the 1st season and was amazed at how I didn't perceive them the same way : now knowing their background, I really felt the glass separating them vanish in my mind and their bond then appeared to me as obviously deep, and even deeper because it's not easily understandable by other people with not the same circumstances and definitely not the same kind of mind/logic (like Yumi-chan, and it was through her innocent eyes that we saw Sei & Shimako in the 1st season) 2)..huh? why them, lol ? they're not even the "pretty" girly type! lol 4) ..huh....YES I would, that was precisely my point ! O_o I can't have a crush on anybody being too physical towards me to my tastes! It's simple embarrassment ! and, all the more if I'm doubting what the other aims at! Well, I know people are very different concerning blushing easily or not, or being prudish or okay with other people seeing/touching them, but while I know I was a lot prudish when younger, I still know I'm far from the most prudish ones (still talking about when we're young enough for school), and this while being raised in a French country! French are rumoured to be er...promiscuous but many of my comrades who were as or maybe more prudish than me were French girls O_o During junior High or even High school, we kept our eyes on the walls while changing, in order to not embarrass our comrades who maybe don't feel at ease with their own bodies.. I remember the only ones who didn't care who watched them, whom they watched, and whom they touched or by who they were touched, were the ones who claimed loudly they weren't a virgin for quite some time now, and who were obviously, closed with guys... I'm not saying here they were wrong or anything like that, some of them were good friends of me too, but just pointing this out to say : it's just a question of being embarrassed or not, and one reason of embarrassment can simply be prudishness, or lack of self-confidence leading to not wanting anyone to look too well at our bodies, or not being used to physical closeness.... and I think Japanese people would understandingly be that kind of embarrassed if we French are in those situations! And I don't think a petite lady from a good family has been raised with being ok while looking at another one changing! All that babbling to say, Yumi never surprises me by blushing. cutie girl ^-^ no wonder Sei teases her For the rest, after writing my answer to you, I feel the discussion doesn't stay grounded on marimite enough anymore, so we should continue via PM or mails, or msn These forums are for discussing Marimite, and maybe how we understand it thanks to real facts, them being personal or not, but when the facts remain without their transparency with Marimite, we should not debate them here, and leave the place for Marimite-grounded(?) discussions |
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2007-08-16, 12:26 | Link #53 |
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Eh, ok.. though I consider "blushing" different from "embarassment"..
(About the touching touching stuff and how it is that when Sachiko touches her, it's different from Sei who hugs her..) Anyway, to get back, just one more thing.. I didn't say Sei and Shimako's soeur stuff was shallow, I know too well it's deep, but somehow the way they show it is different, kind of like there's a force field a bit but somehow what-not.. (hard to explain, kinda like, deep inside.. I care for you, yet we must keep a distance kind of thing) Anyway, too sleepy to actually be thinking and let's drop the topic.. zzzzz |
2007-08-16, 23:57 | Link #54 |
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Stephanie, you're right about Sei and Shimako. Shimako said that they can't get too close, because they are too similar-they will end up depending too much on each other and get hurt.
Ah...novel time!! Thanks a lot! Can you read Japanese? Or did you find this somewhere?? |
2007-08-17, 00:26 | Link #55 |
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Well, if you'll ask me the way the characters were written and drawn are, well, just to tease - a prelude. They are certainly developing feelings, duh. Obviously, they cant show them as lovers, but they are giving very strong signals that they have this tension or passion which they are unable to categorize given the fact that they are young and new to that emotion. Surely when they reach the age and they can accept what they are feeling and not give a damn about society, they will turn to each other. One cannot deny strong feelings. But since this is anime or manga and there are limitations, we may never see them as lovers.
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2007-08-17, 07:05 | Link #56 |
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i'm still holding out that the series will end with a kiss between sachiko and yumi (once they reach a point where they've matured enough to realize what type of love they share with each other), and we the fan will be left to assume they progress as lovers from there (may get a picture of them farther down the road still as a couple as picture are a big theme in the series), or to believe it was just a kiss between close friends..if it should happen i will definitely believe they former.
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2007-08-17, 07:09 | Link #57 |
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Hehe, I too want that ending.. However, knowing the series and how Oyuki Konno works, if she may want that ending, I don't think it'll be a kiss.. She won't let them kiss..
(ZOMG!! What's with me! It should be a face, lol) Well, mainly because it's probably not how the anime/story flows.. @Confessa Nope, can't read Japanese I found it in the 2 links I gave below all those.. =P |
2007-08-17, 08:15 | Link #58 |
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>>Eh, ok.. though I consider "blushing" different from "embarassment"..
Yeah, they're different, but I was talking about cases where one leads to another quite easily.....I feel weird after all these discussions, it's like only the French and the Japanese people I know react to embarrassment by (at least) blushing, with all the explanations I gave on this matter...it's like it's not a normal thing seen anywhere else >>(About the touching touching stuff and how it is that when Sachiko touches her, it's different from Sei who hugs her..) Once again, I think it's because of the overall attitude of the character : Sei always does that, and Yumi didn't have any special thoughts about her at the beginning, whereas any small movement of closeness from Sachiko is a rare treat, you feel she just isn't used to closeness (physical and emotionally too), so it leaves a bigger impact, you end up thinking : "whoa, *this* Sachiko is indeed behaving like that ... with me.... *honored*.... >>I didn't say Sei and Shimako's soeur stuff was shallow, I know too well it's deep, but somehow the way they show it is different, kind of like there's a force field a bit but somehow what-not.. (hard to explain, kinda like, deep inside.. I care for you, yet we must keep a distance kind of thing) No, I didn't mean that's what you implied (the shallow thing). This "not get too close" stuff is not what I try to argue, I agree with it being here, but the fact itself that it's there without a "clear contract" thingie in itself make me feel a deeper bond and understanding between this pair. Being "close or not" is after all a relative thing as all, I think when they say they don't want to get too close to each other, we should take it as "we could get so much closer than we are already, but that's precisely what we both need to avoid at the moment"....and that means to me, that they're indeed closer than they let it show. I can't feel any coldness or try-to-avoid-attitude. I just think they were very content that way when they were together at Lilian, nothing angsty or frustrating, or lacking as it is now for Shimako towards Sei. I think I can't convey my thoughts with the right nuances in English, I'm sorry because each time we debate something, I make you understand something different than what I aimed at, in spite of all the words I try to use... I need an english teacher anyone volunteer ? lol |
2007-08-17, 21:26 | Link #59 |
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Blah! Why don't you two just create a poll about how their "blushing" and so on so forth "crush" stuff and post your point of view, then have the members vote?
(Other's might've been to intimidated to join in the conversation) Hehe, it's like a never ending debate between you two To make it simple, you two view it differently. |
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