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Rising Dragon · 2014-05-04, 01:02

The Strike Freedom thing... on one hand, it is (almost) exactly what I argued so often about the Strike Freedom's in-atmosphere performance.

On the other hand, it's a really fuckin' shitty depiction. The narrower wings of light are the only saving grace, but if that's their best attempt at replicating the wing stance from the models, it's a piss-poor attempt.

monster · 2014-05-04, 01:17

I'm guessing they're trying not to emphasize it too much seeing as how it's not fully opened. I do kind of like the touch with the surrounding air.

Rising Dragon · 2014-05-04, 01:25

I can sorta see how they'd make it look like the one model pose, with the wings open and the DRAGOONs extended from the racks, but as far as the illustration goes... they clearly just drew the gold parts over the DRAGOONs, which as a result now look super-narrow. Not as noticeable when animated, I suppose, but still clearly terrible.

weirdguy · 2014-05-04, 08:43

At least this is better than not having anything shown like in the original version.

Rising Dragon · 2014-05-04, 12:06

That's the exact kind of thinking that prevents us from getting better quality in anything. If people give studios and such the okay for that kind of shoddy improvement, they'll keep doing that kind of shoddy improvement.

weirdguy · 2014-05-07, 07:13

I'm talking in terms of Destiny. For Destiny's animation, it's clearly better than the original. Amd it's a ramaster, where audio and resolution/quality is enhanced with a few touches to the animation. For Destiny, it's pretty clear they redrew most of the scene (not in terms of having the scenes chamged with new animation).

Destined_Fate · 2014-05-07, 23:37

Was anyone else saddened that Kira didn't honor the Strike when he made the Strike Freedom? It was only a powered up Freedom....

Strange that Shinn with his (Destiny) Impulse and Destiny ended being the true successors of the Strike even though he never piloted it as the Strike was destroyed before ORB was.

Skye629 · 2014-05-07, 23:39

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Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Was anyone else saddened that Kira didn't honor the Strike when he made the Strike Freedom? It was only a powered up Freedom....

Strange that Shinn with his (Destiny) Impulse and Destiny ended being the true successors of the Strike even though he never piloted it as the Strike was destroyed before ORB was.

Well it DID have Strike in its name....but thats about it (And Kira did not even name it that)

monster · 2014-05-07, 23:53

Kira had nothing to do with the development of the Strike Freedom. (And it's not like Kira had any sentimental attachment to the mobile suits he piloted.)

aeriolewinters · 2014-05-08, 00:20

Judging from the conflicting accounts of the suit's development; I think Lacus was the one who named it in honor of both the Strike and the Freedom. It's highly possible that the customizations to the suits came after the two prototypes were stolen, which would point to the possibility that Lacus named them.

Destined_Fate · 2014-05-08, 00:37

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Originally Posted by monster

Kira had nothing to do with the development of the Strike Freedom. (And it's not like Kira had any sentimental attachment to the mobile suits he piloted.)

Called honoring one's roots, the Strike has his first MS and Gundam ever. It deserves better but it seems that the Freedom is his true love as the Strike Freedom was merely the Freedom with more Dakka Dakka.

So the legacy of the Strike was carried on by Shinn despite him never even seeing the Strike before.

monster · 2014-05-08, 00:46

Well, the Freedom was a more powerful mobile suit. That doesn't mean Kira was in love with it anymore than he was with the Strike.

Rising Dragon · 2014-05-08, 01:07

Keep in mind that the Strike Freedom, like the Infinite Justice, had a different name before it was finalized, IIRC.

monster · 2014-05-08, 01:09

Even if that's true, it still wasn't Kira who (re)named it.

cyberdemon · 2014-05-08, 01:16

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Originally Posted by monster

Well, the Freedom was a more powerful mobile suit. That doesn't mean Kira was in love with it anymore than he was with the Strike.

We'll Kira does have a certain fondness for the freedom if only because it was a gift from lacus when he was feeling lost. He does lament losing it a bit.

monster · 2014-05-08, 02:19

I wouldn't call that a lament. He's just sorry from a utilitarian viewpoint.

In fact, if there's anything that Kira appreciate about the Freedom, it's that it allows him to fight the way he wants to fight, thus he was grateful at receiving the Strike Freedom, which also serves the same purpose.

Skye629 · 2014-05-08, 03:51

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Keep in mind that the Strike Freedom, like the Infinite Justice, had a different name before it was finalized, IIRC.

It probably just went by its model number while it was in the development phase (X20A)

I would also like to note that Kira, if he had any attachment at all to his suits, was probably the least fond of the Strike. He was forced to pilot it out of necessity, and he killed quite a few people in it (not saying that he did not kill in the Freedom's, its just at that point in time while he piloted the Strike he outright killed, and the suit tech did not allow for the style he would later adopt and utilize to its full extent in the Freedom's, by Destiny we see that he can indeed fight similarly in the Strike, but its tech compared to the current units that were mass fielded did not give him significant advantage outside of very small engagements)

Aquaman OS · 2014-05-08, 05:24

Out of show though it was called Super Freedom in early ads until it was later changed to the Strike Freedom. It had nothing to do with it's in show development. It's just an example of how shoddy the production was, especially in the case of SF and IJ which they still can't seem to totally make of their minds how they came about. First they were stolen. Then Lacus built them. Then Lacus stole their base designs/plans and built them from that. First they had the old NJC engines. Then they had the new Hyper Deutrion Engines that Destiny and Legend had. Etc. It's just a mess.

Of course Kira did have sentimental views towards Freedom as shown from his minor sadness when it was destroyed. After all Lacus's father died so he could have it, and it's basically a symbol of his bond with Lacus and their willingness to go against the tide and stop the war in the first Seed. But at the end of the day it's still just a machine and so long as Kira survived he could keep fighting the good fight.

Strike Freedom by contrast (when looking at it out of show anyway) was just a Deus Ex Machina Lacus pulled out of nowhere so Kira could have to a new model ki...I mean Gundam to sel....show off, and so Shinn's Destiny wouldn't steal Kira's thunder.

itisjustme · 2014-05-08, 09:13

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Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

Of course Kira did have sentimental views towards Freedom as shown from his minor sadness when it was destroyed.

But he still had enough generosity in his heart to let it get shafted to let Bandai sell more toys. Man that Kira sure is something else.

Destined_Fate · 2014-05-08, 14:40

It does seem like they pulled the IJ and SF out of nowhere as the story behind them seems to be all over the place.

Personally I wanted Athrun to keep the sexy Savior.

2014-05-04, 01:02	Link #11421
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	The Strike Freedom thing... on one hand, it is (almost) exactly what I argued so often about the Strike Freedom's in-atmosphere performance. On the other hand, it's a really fuckin' shitty depiction. The narrower wings of light are the only saving grace, but if that's their best attempt at replicating the wing stance from the models, it's a piss-poor attempt. __________________

2014-05-04, 01:25	Link #11423
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	I can sorta see how they'd make it look like the one model pose, with the wings open and the DRAGOONs extended from the racks, but as far as the illustration goes... they clearly just drew the gold parts over the DRAGOONs, which as a result now look super-narrow. Not as noticeable when animated, I suppose, but still clearly terrible. __________________

2014-05-04, 12:06	Link #11425
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	That's the exact kind of thinking that prevents us from getting better quality in anything. If people give studios and such the okay for that kind of shoddy improvement, they'll keep doing that kind of shoddy improvement. __________________

2014-05-08, 00:20	Link #11430
aeriolewinters Photomancy Experiments Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Balanga City, Bataan, Philippines	Judging from the conflicting accounts of the suit's development; I think Lacus was the one who named it in honor of both the Strike and the Freedom. It's highly possible that the customizations to the suits came after the two prototypes were stolen, which would point to the possibility that Lacus named them. __________________

2014-05-08, 01:07	Link #11433
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Keep in mind that the Strike Freedom, like the Infinite Justice, had a different name before it was finalized, IIRC. __________________

2014-05-04, 01:17	Link #11422
monster Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	I'm guessing they're trying not to emphasize it too much seeing as how it's not fully opened. I do kind of like the touch with the surrounding air.

2014-05-04, 08:43	Link #11424
weirdguy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013	At least this is better than not having anything shown like in the original version.

2014-05-07, 07:13	Link #11426
weirdguy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013	I'm talking in terms of Destiny. For Destiny's animation, it's clearly better than the original. Amd it's a ramaster, where audio and resolution/quality is enhanced with a few touches to the animation. For Destiny, it's pretty clear they redrew most of the scene (not in terms of having the scenes chamged with new animation).

2014-05-07, 23:37	Link #11427
Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	Was anyone else saddened that Kira didn't honor the Strike when he made the Strike Freedom? It was only a powered up Freedom.... Strange that Shinn with his (Destiny) Impulse and Destiny ended being the true successors of the Strike even though he never piloted it as the Strike was destroyed before ORB was.

2014-05-07, 23:53	Link #11429
monster Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Kira had nothing to do with the development of the Strike Freedom. (And it's not like Kira had any sentimental attachment to the mobile suits he piloted.)

2014-05-08, 00:46	Link #11432
monster Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Well, the Freedom was a more powerful mobile suit. That doesn't mean Kira was in love with it anymore than he was with the Strike.

2014-05-08, 01:09	Link #11434
monster Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Even if that's true, it still wasn't Kira who (re)named it.

2014-05-08, 02:19	Link #11436
monster Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	I wouldn't call that a lament. He's just sorry from a utilitarian viewpoint. In fact, if there's anything that Kira appreciate about the Freedom, it's that it allows him to fight the way he wants to fight, thus he was grateful at receiving the Strike Freedom, which also serves the same purpose.

2014-05-08, 05:24	Link #11438
Aquaman OS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	Out of show though it was called Super Freedom in early ads until it was later changed to the Strike Freedom. It had nothing to do with it's in show development. It's just an example of how shoddy the production was, especially in the case of SF and IJ which they still can't seem to totally make of their minds how they came about. First they were stolen. Then Lacus built them. Then Lacus stole their base designs/plans and built them from that. First they had the old NJC engines. Then they had the new Hyper Deutrion Engines that Destiny and Legend had. Etc. It's just a mess. Of course Kira did have sentimental views towards Freedom as shown from his minor sadness when it was destroyed. After all Lacus's father died so he could have it, and it's basically a symbol of his bond with Lacus and their willingness to go against the tide and stop the war in the first Seed. But at the end of the day it's still just a machine and so long as Kira survived he could keep fighting the good fight. Strike Freedom by contrast (when looking at it out of show anyway) was just a Deus Ex Machina Lacus pulled out of nowhere so Kira could have to a new model ki...I mean Gundam to sel....show off, and so Shinn's Destiny wouldn't steal Kira's thunder.

2014-05-08, 14:40	Link #11440
Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	It does seem like they pulled the IJ and SF out of nowhere as the story behind them seems to be all over the place. Personally I wanted Athrun to keep the sexy Savior.