2008-10-27, 23:45 | Link #4141 |
Le fou, c'est moi
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Location: Las Vegas, NV, USA
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Shush, don't ruin my fantasies.
But what I really meant was in a sense that my generation (whistles out The Who -- am I too young to know them?) gets a chance for an early political maturing, which I hope will make our voices, our concerns, our discontent at everybody older than us leaving a fucked up America for us to fix (lol), heard because we actually become a worthy voting block to for politicians to pursue. That is, *if* we actually do become that. In any case, the baby boomers are on the way out, slowly, tenaciously, and the GenXers will come to dominate the political landscape for a while yet. Obama is as young as we can realistically hope for in a politician at the top level of government, I suppose. |
2008-10-27, 23:50 | Link #4142 | |
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The guy voted for the Telecom amnesty bill. That's enough for me to be cautious of his rhetoric. He talks about the failure of policy from the last 8 years? He thinks as long as we have reliable military intelligence, we should be bombing militants inside Pakistan or any other sovereign nation. I can't see how that is any different from Bush II. The last 8 years foreign policy was just bad medicine for the symptoms of over a half-century of American Imperialism in the Middle East. Of course there is also the unwavering support of Israel. And of course the promise that 5 presidents have been talking about for the last 30-40 years.. breaking oil dependence. Our whole economy is oil based. We extend our empire across the globe to acquire this Black Gold. He's going to get us started.. just like Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II... but here we are.. more dependent then ever. Me, I'm tried of this lesser of 2 evils every 4 years. I'm voting 3rd party this election. |
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A mere seven days are left before Americans choose a new president, and it looks like it's all over but for the voting to start. While the Democrats have made an artform of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, this doesn't look like that scenario is in the books this time. While McCain still has a shred of a chance, it'd take a stunt like him parachuting into Pakistan and personally capturing Bin Laden to pull it off. His own staff are starting to give up, and even McCain's body language is giving hints that he's just about ready to throw in the towel.
Obama has run a masterful campaign that's sure to be oft-emulated over the next few election cycles, and while he had help in an economic collapse of gigantic proportions, I don't think that it was necessary to his building such a big lead. Instead, what he managed to do was to keep McCain off balance, and the effect on the latter's campaign was extremely telling. Moreover, instead of being satisfied coasting to victory, Obama's now stepping on McCain's campaign at its moment of weakness, and he's not going to ease up until November 5. The sad thing for McCain was that, despite his disadvantages, he probably did have a chance. However, he was constantly maneuvered into making mistakes that will make his campaign into a model of what not to do:
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Still, even with all of this, I think that Obama will prove to be a very good leader. Unfortunately, this is a time when truly great leadership is required. Right now, I'm certain that McCain would fail that leadership test.
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2008-10-28, 02:37 | Link #4145 | |
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2008-10-28, 03:23 | Link #4146 |
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Minor polling notes:
Georgia is currently polling +5 McCain. The +1 Obama appears to have been an outlier. McCain is currently polling +5 in his home state of Arizona shifting the state to lean GOP. (This can be seen either as a real sign of trouble or a real sign the pollsters have lost it. Both ASU and Rasmussen have similar results on this though.) See the second graph here for other trends (or lack there of since the polling seems to have finally converged). |
2008-10-28, 04:36 | Link #4147 |
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Arizona was part of the Democrat's plan to steal some western states from the Republicans along with New Mexico and Colorado, but of course Arizona was dropped when McCain become to Republican nominee. Surprisingly, Arizona isn't ultra safe, and Nevada is trending purple as well. Regardless of how Arizona goes in this election, expect it to be a possible swing state in future elections, as it is the fastest growing state in America.
Article on why McCain isn't so popular in Arizona. |
2008-10-28, 05:39 | Link #4148 | |
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2008-10-28, 06:19 | Link #4149 |
Le fou, c'est moi
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Location: Las Vegas, NV, USA
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I'm not sure how factual this is, in terms of what's going on behind the scenes in the Obama camp, but it certainly is quite interesting. The FDR comparisons have been increasing since the economic crisis began, and it will only grow. Is this mere propaganda, invoking one of America's finest, or does Obama's kitchen cabinet actually go around hunting books on the Hundred Days to study what was good and what was wrong about that massive reform effort years past, and what kind of insanity they will face once in power?
The Next New Deal. |
2008-10-28, 06:41 | Link #4150 |
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I don't think Obama can effect much change. The federal government is now many times larger than in FDR's day, even after his expansion. The sheer amount of inertia which had to be overcome is quite significant.
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2008-10-28, 09:54 | Link #4151 |
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Location: Central Texas
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this is why we can't have nice things...I have a headache now...
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2008-10-28, 12:14 | Link #4152 | |
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My understanding was that Obama wanted something to be done. A bill that attempted to stop misuses of power without granting immunity could not be put through, because criminal Bush claimed that any bill without a provision that granted immunity would be vetoed on the spot. If I remember right Obama did vote against earlier provisions to grant immunity to the telecoms, but for this particular bill - with its newer regulations - he felt that the compromise was worth it. In many ways it's understandable. What would you do: keep fighting for the ideal all while knowing that it absolutely will not pass and that misuses of power can continue to occur, or negotiate and let past transgressions slide (and maybe attempt to repeal immunity later) in order to prevent them from occurring now and in the future? The fact is that the government does something that it shouldn't by bundling many issues together to be voted on at once. Because of that practice, being stubborn about certain issues would result in nothing getting done (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). I think that the telecom immunity is truly outrageous, but Obama never supported it. The huge drive for telecom immunity was derived from Bush.
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2008-10-28, 16:16 | Link #4153 |
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Location: Dallas, Texas
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Pictures from today's Pennsylvania rally
The pics look more intense than it really is. Spoiler for Click for pics:
And McCain chickens out. McCain Pennsylvania Rally Washed Out By Rain http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/Ne...ut%20By%20Rain
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2008-10-28, 16:24 | Link #4154 |
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Location: missouri, usa
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thanks for the pics darkside.. anyone know how long missouri has been a deciding state in the past elections? that's probably a wierd question, but always wondered why missouri was one of the states that were important.
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2008-10-28, 16:54 | Link #4157 | ||
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The pics are from the AP. On another note I would like to know how Sarah Palin can run with this "Obama is a Socialist" theme when she enacted a windfall profit tax measure on the oil/gas industries to pay for a huge ($1,200) per-person energy rebate? Not to mention that Alaska already pays out a portion of money receieved from oil company leases on state land to its citizens via the Permanent Fund. Quote:
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2008-10-28, 16:56 | Link #4158 | |
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That being said, Missouri is also seen as a a microcosm of America. It is heavily influenced on its West and East Borders by highly Democratic cities (Kansas City on the West and St. Louis on the East), with the middle portion of the state being an even mixture of Republican and Independent Voters (overall, Democrats, Republicans, and Independents are about equal to each other within the state). |
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2008-10-28, 17:30 | Link #4160 | |
I disagree with you all.
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Obama, OTOH, is proposing to share the handiwork of Joe the Plumber. Those leaky toilets aren't repairing themselves. Note, I don't disagree with Obama's approach. The wealth of those making 250k+ a year is built on more than just their own sweat, and seeing to it even the more modest get healthcare and education is enriching society as a whole. I'm just saying, it's not the same as saying that Alaska's underground belongs to the Alaskans. |
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