(CR) Mayoiga

[wuhugm]

^No joke please

Japan's otaku can't handle their main heroine got raped
Remember the Kannagi incident?

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by wuhugm

^No joke please

Japan's otaku can't handle their main heroine got raped
Remember the Kannagi incident?

That would actually be a good reason for the story to go there and actually have her raped. Considering that in many cases that backlash comes from bullshit reasons like "OH NOEZ SHE NOT PURE ANY MORE".

In fact, scratch that. She should not be raped, she should kill the guy who wanted to rape her, then go back to the protagonist and fuck his brains out to unload a bit the adrenaline build-up. Sadly anime shall never go THERE .

[Dengar]

I don't really have an opinion on this show yet. But with all the outrageous anime I'm following this season, a more slow paced mystery series is just what I need to balance out everything.

Also, do people actually think less of a girl when she gets raped? O_o People are so weird.

[thundrakkon]

Quote

Originally Posted by Dengar

Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?

It's Japan's otaku culture. It's the same with them not liking seiyuu as much if she gets married, and idol career is over if she gets a boyfriend. I can go on with cultural differences on how women are treated in Japan, but this is not the place for it.

[Dysprosium]

Suspicious village is suspicious.

The game has begun.

Let's see who falls prey to the "bear" first (assuming that thing/person is responsible for the missing people before, and the current 2).

If that girl has been raped, then so be it. From the onset, I expected this show to be an absolute gory bloodbath, anyway.

[IceHism]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Also, do people actually think less of a girl when she gets raped? O_o People are so weird.

Yes and it's not even limited to Asian countries
Its called rape culture.

[Wandering Soul]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Also, do people actually think less of a girl when she gets raped? O_o People are so weird.

In certain parts of the world, yes. Some cultures even see a girl getting raped as being shameful to the family and have "honor killings" to restore their integrity.

[Dengar]

Yeah but that's like third world countries or somewhat.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Yeah but that's like third world countries or somewhat.

Not every third-world countries are like that. Some (if not many) of us are civilized and reasonable especially in this age. Take the general people of my country, they would never blame or demoralize the rape victims for anything involving the rape (unless the victims are doing prostitution or things like that). Maybe a bunch of uninformed and insensitive kids will do some mocking & bullying to their peers who are victims, but even kids still have empathy. Heck, we do have laws about domestic abuse. A husband can go to jail if he was reported/proven that he's done sexual assault or rape to his own wife, for example.

[wuhugm]

Isn't it like that everywhere in the world? That's why majority of rape victims won't report the case to the police for fearing the ostracism from society. I've heard that rape is the most unreported crimes in the world.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by wuhugm

Isn't it like that everywhere in the world? That's why majority of rape victims won't report the case to the police for fearing the ostracism from society. I've heard that rape is the most unreported crimes in the world.

I would say it widely varies in extent. Everywhere there can be someone who thinks like that, but whether that is a socially common view or not changes a lot from place to place. In general rape is something that causes often shame on its own, just as a psychological reaction; plus there are other factors in the reasons for not reporting it, including the possible closeness of the rapist (a lot of rape happens in family or among groups of friends) and the intrinsic difficulty to prove that rape has happened at all. The most obvious defence for the accused is always going to be "she was actually willing at the time and is now lying", and almost all cultures, especially the ones tied to one of the Abrahamic religions, tend to have social slut-shaming to some degree, so whenever the matter moves into the "trial" stage it always tends to get very touchy.

But that's already another matter. While this kind of social reaction can happen everywhere as a consequence of the dynamic of trials, and the fact that in general when we hear about these cases it's people we've never met in our lives, I'd say it's pretty rare to have that kind of backwards, magic-like thinking that implies that even for a woman you are close to and know and trust well and even when you have the absolute certainty that she was raped and isn't lying about it, the fact itself of rape somehow left her "tainted" and "impure". I don't think I've ever seen much of it - maybe some in my origin place, in southern Italy, where there's still quite a lot of bigotry on sexual matters.

[Dengar]

I'm sorry, it seems I made some unfortunate implications with my previous post. Such was not the intent. Anyway, I concur with Gan.

[CeDeR]

For sure I was expecting this trip to become like a visit to Charlie Manson´s ranch. Disappearance is good too I guess, so can we disappear next the ridicoulously annoying MC and the pirate please?

[Brother Coa]

Started watching this show and premise is good but I agree with others that this show could really shine in 24 episode format. Oh well.... until Japan's economy and birth rates go up we will have to put it up with 12 episodes ( or less ;_; ).

As for the show... there is just too many questions right now and way too many people. I will just number the most important one: If you are throwing a gigantic corpse party here why throw in a survivalist and much worse - a gun nut. These two are high profile people who can shot any killer with ease if given the chance.

I mean, I know they are going to die in some stupid way but come on - a guy with big machete and always on caution and girl with Uzi who is also always cautious. These two pretty much ruin the scary atmosphere as nothing short of supernatural can get them.

[Chosen_Hero]

I was going to watch this and treat it like watching a Friday the 13 or even like Until Dawn and seeing people do stupid stuff that have grave consequences (especially with all the weird characters), but seeing people wishing for someone to get raped just to "develop" the mc in comments sections is a bit too disturbing, and as someone that has met/personally know people who have been scarred from that happening to them (some are family members) I can't in good conscience join in on the (imo) immature discussion or enjoy this anime, so I guess this is a drop for me.

P.S. Before anyone tries to play it off as a joke or says that I am "taking it too seriously", know that there are things you just don't joke about or make light of.

I hope you enjoy yourselves (for all that it's worth).

[DemonneoPT]

@Chose Hero

Sure, you have no problems in enjoying seeing people dying, like in Friday the 13, but rape is not ok? As far as i know death should also not be a joke and therefore, accordingly to your logic, you should not even be able to watch any horror shows or play violent/FPS games. Too much double standards don't you think? Or am i missing something?

This is fiction and no one is getting hurt, so i do not see any problem in wishing 2D characters to die and suffer in the most miserable way, especially since this is a horror story. But maybe i'm a disturbed person...

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by DemonneoPT

@Chose Hero

Sure, you have no problems in enjoying seeing people dying, like in Friday the 13, but rape is not ok? As far as i know death should also not be a joke and therefore, accordingly to your logic, you should not even be able to watch any horror shows or play violent/FPS games. Too much double standards don't you think? Or am i missing something?

This is fiction and no one is getting hurt, so i do not see any problem in wishing 2D characters to die and suffer in the most miserable way, especially since this is a horror story. But maybe i'm a disturbed person...

seeing people do stupid stuff that have grave consequences

If only there was a skill called reading comprehension.

Besides dying out your own stupid mistake (for example: going on a trip to "restart" your life in a severly omnious village that is tied to people dying) is totally different than getting forcefully raped against your will for no apparent reason other than "oh my gosh, bad guy, see how evil he is".

Yes, you are disturbed (most people nowadays are) thing is that when you are trivializing something that is a very serious matter. You never know who you are replying to here that has gone through or has someone close to them go through something like rape. So you just wishing for a character to get raped not so that the anime treats it as serious and immoral matter (as it should be treated), but just so that someone gets raped for no reason or so that the mc could get some "development" or so that a character just gets mind broken so the mc takes care of her is a pretty disturbing, irrational and twisted way of thinking.

Put yourself in the shoes of the affected and/or those close to them before commenting, and if you do know someone that has gone through something like that and still made that comment, than you better take a step back and re-examine your life because that is a very shitty thing to do, would you say/wish that in front of them? Would you say the same in front of your family or friends?

[DemonneoPT]

Unbelivable! Do you even know what fiction is? How me saying that i like seeing 2D characters to suffer, is the same thing as wishing it to happen in real life to a real person???? Please, learn how to separate reality from a fucking cartoon. It's not my problem if you or anyone else can't do it. Plus, Mayoiga or any other horror story is supposed to be disturbing, irrational and twisted. Friday the 13 is pure gore fanservice and pretty much the only reason as to why people watch that shit and if you made a different interpretation from that story then it's you that probably have comprehension problems "Oh look, it's Jason..oh my gosh, bad guy, see how evil he is". Same thing!
People are also murdered in real life. That's even more serious than rape. You had someone close to you that was recently murdered or raped? Than don't watch horror shows while you are still sensible regarding that matter. I did the same thing. It's simple. Just don't go and blame me or the rest of the people for trying to enjoy a fictional show.

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

If only there was a skill called reading comprehension.

Besides dying out your own stupid mistake (for example: going on a trip to "restart" your life in a severly omnious village that is tied to people dying) is totally different than getting forcefully raped against your will for no apparent reason other than "oh my gosh, bad guy, see how evil he is".

Yes, you are disturbed (most people nowadays are) thing is that when you are trivializing something that is a very serious matter. You never know who you are replying to here that has gone through or has someone close to them go through something like rape. So you just wishing for a character to get raped not so that the anime treats it as serious and immoral matter (as it should be treated), but just so that someone gets raped for no reason or so that the mc could get some "development" or so that a character just gets mind broken so the mc takes care of her is a pretty disturbing, irrational and twisted way of thinking.

Put yourself in the shoes of the affected and/or those close to them before commenting, and if you do know someone that has gone through something like that and still made that comment, than you better take a step back and re-examine your life because that is a very shitty thing to do, would you say/wish that in front of them? Would you say the same in front of your family or friends?

I have to agree, "Rape As Drama", as TV Tropes calls it, is simply crass. Now, if they treated it RIGHT, then that would be fine. One of my favorite manga, Bitter Virgin, is all about the trauma a person can experience as a result of rape, and the uncertain struggles involved in developing a relationship with someone that traumatized. Doing rape to actually show how rape is, or in a situation where it's actually necessary for the story or its believability, then that's fine as long as they really do treat the subject matter right. But there's nothing more contemptible than having a character raped or molested just to create a bit of conflict and "character development". Besides, would there be any less conflict and impetus for development if she got away from him, killed him in self-defense, or witnessed him getting ripped open before he had a chance?

All that said, it would be unnatural here for her not to either get raped or almost get raped. It's painfully obvious that that's what the rapper's planning to do, and if he doesn't either get caught or killed beforehand, then the only way out is for her to find some way to defend herself, and no telling whether she'd be able to manage that or not. While this is certainly a subject that shouldn't be taken lightly, that doesn't necessarily mean that one should desperately dodge the matter when it's highly likely to happen in a given situation (and yes, many forms of violence, including sexual violence, are likely to happen in a group like this). And yes, I'd say murder is close to rape in many senses. In some ways one could argue that murder is worse. There are certainly ways one could argue rape is worse. But if some manner of atrocities don't happen you won't have horror. I prefer horror where it's limited to death, fear and suspicion, but if one properly handles it sexual violence for the purpose of disturbance and fear is not necessarily something to outright forbid. Anyway, while it's possible, my bet's definitely on him getting brutally murdered before the girl's eyes, causing a different but still very severe form of trauma.

[orion]

I don't like "rape-to-advance-MC/plot" either. However, I do wonder if the premise is that all the people there will kill each other off secondary to the problems that they are bringing into the community with them and not an external issue (environment, disease, random outside predator, outside serial killer). Paranoia, prone to violence, control freaks... stuff like that.

The community members may be their worse enemies.