2010-02-12, 04:15 | Link #6043 |
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
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The point is... however obnoxious they may be, they're g-d drawings with ink and paper. The ages of the fictional characters are meaningless. They are the expressions of ideas and musings. There's literally no difference between this "crime" and imagining bad things happening to the prosecutor.
The more I think about it, the more stunning a disaster this is in legal-land. As for the small amount of material that was actually a problem (most of his materials were returned).... I've been able to garner it was fairly explicit sex/bondage/rape involving characters drawn to appear very young. The covers in the linked ANN article were enough for my curiosity. I'm wondering if j-list and other vendors are thinking they might should have contributed to his defense. The state I'm in (Oregon) has some very strong laws about freedom of expression (stronger than federal) so I'm not worried personally - but it does look like I'll be crossing one or more states off my "possible living destination" list. I guess folks in Handley's state had better watch their drawn stick figure erotica collections. What if I asserted she was under-age?
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2010-02-12, 05:17 | Link #6045 |
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It does seem to be a case of lack of common sense. It's certainly a controversial issue we have here, but seriously. Would cartoon images of pre-teen girls in revealing outfits or doing rather raunchy acts instigate that the material is child pornography? Real, maybe, but just because someone in an apartment somewhere might actually jack off to this stuff, doesn't mean a blanket ban should be placed. Lolita should be legal, I don't see a problem with that.
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2010-02-12, 14:11 | Link #6047 |
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Which still doesn't change the fact I'm not allowed to be familiar with the material in question. Hence, I would not consider myself - or pretty much any other law abiding Canadian - to have a properly informed opinion on the subject.
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2010-02-12, 14:39 | Link #6048 |
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
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I will not ever be able to wrap my head around the idea that something one has *drawn* could be illegal or that possessing such a *drawing* could be illegal. It is fundamentally insane.
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2010-02-12, 15:50 | Link #6051 |
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2010-02-12, 16:02 | Link #6052 | |
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It's always for the children isn't it?
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2010-02-12, 16:25 | Link #6054 |
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That's quite romantic, in a nerdy sort of way.
Anyway, obscenity laws are just a way for idiots to get around the fact that stuff they don't like is protected by free speech. It's basically encoding "that's disgusting" into law. There's no real standard for what's obscene, so there's really no way to know if you're even breaking the law until you're charged. You can find some people who would find any porn obscene. Hell, you can find people who think perfectly innocent and not pornographic in anyway pictures are obscene. As far as I know it's random. There aren't enough customs workers to check each one after all. Though I think they're more likely to check packages from some countries than others.
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2010-02-12, 16:56 | Link #6056 |
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Yeah, if something's wrong with the paperwork or the package in some way looks suspicious they'll definitely look, but even if everything's ok with it they still might open it for inspection. Customs can open anything entering the country they decide to check.
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2010-02-12, 17:21 | Link #6057 | |
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i think ICE is starting to treat japan like mexico... whatever is coming from mexico and japan (i think) it is now subject to more inspection... they check mexico for illegal drugs and illegal aliens thoroughly...and now they're on the lookout for lolimangas coming from japan by mail and those daring to sneak one inside the airport and smuggle it out of japan! |
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2010-02-12, 18:01 | Link #6058 | |
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Thankfully, the Supreme Court has been enforcing the First Amendment over the last decade with regards to pornography. It struck down the Child Pornography Prevention Act in 2002 (6-3) and the Child Online Protection Act in 2004 (5-4). The result: Congress passes a slightly different law, the Protect Act, which makes some of the same actions illegal and Handley gets convicted. I can't find any news on whether Handley is appealing. |
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