2013-10-21, 21:56 | Link #31341 | |
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My ancestors are the fine example of Chinese aristocracy. Backstabbing, switching sides then finally running when everything goes to a head. At least the Koreans and Taiwanese duke it out in the house instead of buying men and horses to blow each other out of their territory. I don't remember any problem being fixed that way in favour of both sides.
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2013-10-21, 23:11 | Link #31342 |
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Countries that retain their monarchy more often have better track record in economic and political development then those which had overthrown theirs. Look at UK, Sweden, or Japan. While countries like Brazil suffered a setback from overthrow of their monarchy which they haven't really recovered from until today. Ditto France. The benefit of having a pet monarchy to be adored by the populace has been often underestimated.
Retaining monarchy would've done wonders to China in the long run, provided the right man is doing it(in fact, only the right man could have). Kang Youwei was maybe a xenophobic asshole, but that couldn't be helped back then, and he was the most level headed and experienced figure around to keep the fragile ship from splintering apart. Even I wouldn't mind so much living under the reign of Queen Beatrix provided we're Australia independent. We'll be the wagging tail anyway.
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2013-10-21, 23:15 | Link #31343 | |
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2013-10-22, 00:07 | Link #31346 | |
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Maybe that is the track record he is talking about.
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2013-10-22, 00:20 | Link #31347 |
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Successful liberal democratic constitutional monarchies do require large middle class population. It's essential to not having its growth interrupted and setback. Frankly, for a large part an existing monarchy is just an indication of a longterm stability and continuity. But it also has important functions, too. Just ask Australia about what happened when they got a shut down back in '70s.
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2013-10-22, 00:35 | Link #31348 | |
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2013-10-22, 02:23 | Link #31349 |
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Only indirectly. The Governor General did the firing of the entire cabinet. He represented the queen nevertheless, and it shows how the system has a function even without the said queen giving a damn. And that's not counting the fundamental role of monarchy as the national rallying point. It's often underestimated how effective of a cushion it is in the face of possible political crises. In the end, people need something "pure" to look up when there's nothing else, and nothing beats the effectiveness and adaptability of a long-established (non-temporal) monarchy in this regard.
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2013-10-22, 04:59 | Link #31350 | |
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Above all, here is the best counter example : Spain. |
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2013-10-22, 05:13 | Link #31351 |
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Builders of Obama's health website saw red flags
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...10-22-04-32-05 Chris Christie gay marriage move stirs GOP http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...10-22-04-29-10
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2013-10-22, 08:06 | Link #31352 |
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Since reimplementing their monarchy Spain has been growing not only economically but in all other aspects and the actual king helped avert a crisis that IMO was very similar to the actual crisis in Egypt (everybody feared another civil war when Franco died). The actual economical crisis is just a bump in the road and it is not limited to Spain (the whole Eurozone is in economical trouble, but Spain will probably be the first to restructure their economy and return to healthy growth in a few years down the road).
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2013-10-22, 09:12 | Link #31353 |
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Absolute Monarchy I grant you, it's bad. Then again, usually it's in place in countries that don't have much in way of democratic tradition nor requirements for one. France certainly had it bad since it didn't go constitutional when the time called for it. It wasn't because its last king was a tyrant though. Rather, he was a wuss who didn't use the wave of social turmoil to bury the cancer that was French landed gentry, so he got swept instead.
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2013-10-22, 09:23 | Link #31354 |
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Constitutional monarchies in Europe are simply parliamentary democracies with a more ornamental head of state. The monarchy itself has little or nothing to do with government. The main divide is between parliamentary and presidential systems. Even then political stability is often tied to the voting system, equal representation or first past the post.
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2013-10-22, 09:57 | Link #31355 | |
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Plato's Republic will rise!
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2013-10-22, 10:25 | Link #31357 |
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Philosopher kings are the rulers of Plato's Utopian Kallipolis. If his ideal city-state is to ever come into being, "philosophers [must] become kings…or those now called kings [must]…genuinely and adequately philosophize" (The Republic, 5.473d).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher_king Criticism Karl Popper blamed Plato for the rise of totalitarianism in the 20th century, seeing Plato's philosopher kings, with their dreams of 'social engineering' and 'idealism', as leading directly to Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler (via Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel and Karl Marx). In addition, Ayatollah Khomeini is said to have been inspired by the Platonic vision of the philosopher king while in Qum in the 1920s when he became interested in Islamic mysticism and Plato's Republic. As such, it has been speculated that he was inspired by Plato's philosopher king, and subsequently based elements of his Islamic Republic on it.
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2013-10-22, 10:28 | Link #31359 | |
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Absolutely not.
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2013-10-22, 10:37 | Link #31360 | |
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Sure, why not?
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Town faces criticism after appointing municipal philosopher to offer weekly consultations and questioning residents' existence http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...?newsfeed=true
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