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Shadow5YA · 2013-03-28, 12:16

All Stats +2 is DLC, which is something not everyone will be getting.

It depends on what you want your Noire to be, but most likely Renewal will be the best so that she won't have to sit through 15 levels of War Cleric. War Cleric uses axes and staves, but Noire will probably have low Str so having to grind through War Cleric makes it a pain.

Generally prepromoted characters have been traps in Fire Emblem games. When you recruit them they are obviously higher leveled, but if you level your other units and get to them to the same level, you'll realize that the prepromote is actually pretty weak. In other Fire Emblem games where there isn't a World Map or grinding area and you go straight from one story chapter (or sidequest/paralogue) to the next, giving them kills deprives them valuable EXP that can be given to another unit. They're already promoted, which means they are higher level and will earn much less EXP than if one of your normal units took the kill. Typically prepromoted units like Frederick are used only in the earlygame on harder modes to aggro, tank, and weaken enemy units, then when your main units get enough levels to get going, you bench Fred since his performance becomes obsolete anyway.

Haiprbim · 2013-03-28, 12:23

I have watched a little bit of the game's game-play and I must say that I'm quite tempted to buy it.
Well, before that I would want to buy Tales of the Abyss, it attracted me more, but this one is on the list of let's-buy-it-yeah-ha-ho-gwah as well. :D

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-28, 20:09

Hmmm, so I should stay the course and get Renewal? I can do that.

Okay, I'm confused about the wording for Vengeance, Deals (user's Max HP - Current HP)/2 extra damage, does that mean Tharja has to be hurt for it to produce anything substantial

?

Xacual · 2013-03-28, 20:52

Exactly, Vengeance deals extra damage depending on how hurt you are, you need to combine it with Vantage for it to be any good really.

To clarify the wording for every 2 hp you are missing, your attack will do one extra damage. So if you're not hurt at all and Vengeance procs it's the same as a normal attack.

Shadow5YA · 2013-03-28, 21:07

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Hmmm, so I should stay the course and get Renewal? I can do that.

Okay, I'm confused about the wording for Vengeance, Deals (user's Max HP - Current HP)/2 extra damage, does that mean Tharja has to be hurt for it to produce anything substantial

?

Yes. It's supposed to work together with Nosferatu. Your Dark Mage gets hit, you do more damage because of Vengeance, and you heal more because you do more damage. The skill activation is Skill*2, so it has the highest activation rate in the game.

If you don't like it, you can always take Tharja through lv5 Great Knight (promoted Knight) for Luna instead.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-28, 21:20

Sounds like a lot of trouble though... How about I just I grind till Lv 15 and give Noire Tomebreaker from her?

Xacual · 2013-03-28, 21:38

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Sounds like a lot of trouble though... How about I just I grind till Lv 15 and give Noire Tomebreaker from her?

That's what I did.

Shadow5YA · 2013-03-28, 21:38

Well... on higher difficulties, level capped enemies stop missing because they have capped stats and forged +hit weapons, so Vengeance/Nosferatu tanking is better than it sounds.

It probably doesn't matter too much on normal since you can avoid everything.

Tomebreaker is a little situational since the Avoid boost only comes from when the enemy is equipped with a tome, unless you're going to limit Noire to killing only mages. You could go for Lifetaker from Dark Knight since that lets you heal for every kill you get.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-28, 21:41

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Tomebreaker is a little situational since the Avoid boost only comes from when the enemy is equipped with a tome, unless you're going to limit Noire to killing only mages. You could go for Lifetaker from Dark Knight since that lets you heal for every kill you get.

I probably should have gone for Dark Knight... But I took one look at her strength stats and went "Nahhh..."

On the topic of Dark Knights... Should I make Oswain one? I heard his strength and magic are even out...

Shadow5YA · 2013-03-28, 21:53

Just because certain classes are hybrid doesn't mean you need to use them as one. You could ignore swords and use only tomes on Tactician.

The only time when a character needs high stats in both Str and Mag is if they're your Avatar/Morgan with access to Tactician/Grandmaster, because Ignis boosts your damage based on the other stat (i.e. bonus dmg based on Str when using tomes, int when using physical weapons).

Iron Maw · 2013-03-29, 01:49

Made to chapter 14 (yeah, I'm super slow here lol) and all of my support grinding has finally pay off with most of paralogues unlocked.

I'm probably not going to touch most of them till the end of game though.

Something's been bugging me here though about Ch 13 (in fact since Ch 11).

Spoiler:

On a sidenote: WTF at Henry, just W.T.F.

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Tharja actually acts fairly normal around him (probably because she's only interested in the Avatar)

Their support conversation starts off with Lon'qu telling Tharja to back off because of his fear, which he makes sure to say it it's the same for all women. Tharja offers a hex that will get rid of his fear, which does get him interested. Then later he talks about his past and the reason behind his gynophobia.

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I tried Nowi and Donnel... It's okay I guess.

Ricken and Nowi's confession seems better.

Gaius and Maribella has history together.

Gaius and Cordelia had a good start, but the confession is so... Bland.

Lon'qu seem to have that with most women, it was the same with Panne where he has to explain himself

Lon'qu and Cherche is the one where he finally tackles his trauma at it's roots.... Plus he would then go on to father Nightwing... I mean Gerome, who would inherit his father's lonewolf behavior... Only to be 'cured' in the same fashion by Sumia's daughter

Very nice and much interesting than I thought it would be. I just finished a support with Gergor and Cherche who also have unexpected relation together, but in this case they didn't really know it until just now. You get a bit of both Gregor's and Minvera past.

Xacual · 2013-03-29, 02:08

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Originally Posted by Iron Maw

Spoiler:

Spoiler for Morgan:

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-29, 04:03

^I wanted a son to carry on my harem protagonist genes

Shadow5YA · 2013-03-29, 11:53

There's some spoilerific implications with Morgan that are difficult to answer unless you know the true identity of the Avatar and what happened in the bad future Lucina and the other children came from. It wouldn't be fun to spoil that even in tags, so I'll just say to finish the main story.

Xacual · 2013-03-29, 16:49

I can't seem to get the newest update. Keeps giving me problems and I haven't had any problems in the past with getting them. And checking the actual DLC area has no problem in letting me see the new stuff, just the bonus box update won't work.

Angelic Cross · 2013-03-29, 17:52

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

^I wanted a son to carry on my harem protagonist genes

So I suppose if you marry Olivia, Inigo will get a "Son, I am dissappoint" from you.

Shadow5YA · 2013-03-29, 19:20

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Originally Posted by Xacual

I can't seem to get the newest update. Keeps giving me problems and I haven't had any problems in the past with getting them. And checking the actual DLC area has no problem in letting me see the new stuff, just the bonus box update won't work.

Uh... are you sure you don't already have it? Check Bonus Teams and see if you have Genealogy Gen2. If you do, you already have it.

Xacual · 2013-03-29, 21:44

Yes I'm sure, because I don't have Yen'fay's map and that was in the update.

Shadow5YA · 2013-03-29, 23:10

If the DLC is showing properly, then I can't think of anything unless you turned off Spotpass by accident. If not, try turning it off then back on again anyway.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-03-29, 23:25

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Originally Posted by Angelic Cross

So I suppose if you marry Olivia, Inigo will get a "Son, I am dissappoint" from you.

If Inigo was my son-

"Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father- Prepare to die."

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Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	Hmmm, so I should stay the course and get Renewal? I can do that. Okay, I'm confused about the wording for Vengeance, Deals (user's Max HP - Current HP)/2 extra damage, does that mean Tharja has to be hurt for it to produce anything substantial ? __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

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Xacual Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	Exactly, Vengeance deals extra damage depending on how hurt you are, you need to combine it with Vantage for it to be any good really. To clarify the wording for every 2 hp you are missing, your attack will do one extra damage. So if you're not hurt at all and Vengeance procs it's the same as a normal attack. __________________ I was influenced by a certain group overflowing with madness and started trying to write a story. Please give it a try. Crashed into Fantasy

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Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	Sounds like a lot of trouble though... How about I just I grind till Lv 15 and give Noire Tomebreaker from her? __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

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Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	^I wanted a son to carry on my harem protagonist genes __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

2013-03-29, 16:49	Link #455
Xacual Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	I can't seem to get the newest update. Keeps giving me problems and I haven't had any problems in the past with getting them. And checking the actual DLC area has no problem in letting me see the new stuff, just the bonus box update won't work. __________________ I was influenced by a certain group overflowing with madness and started trying to write a story. Please give it a try. Crashed into Fantasy

2013-03-28, 12:16	Link #441
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	All Stats +2 is DLC, which is something not everyone will be getting. It depends on what you want your Noire to be, but most likely Renewal will be the best so that she won't have to sit through 15 levels of War Cleric. War Cleric uses axes and staves, but Noire will probably have low Str so having to grind through War Cleric makes it a pain. Generally prepromoted characters have been traps in Fire Emblem games. When you recruit them they are obviously higher leveled, but if you level your other units and get to them to the same level, you'll realize that the prepromote is actually pretty weak. In other Fire Emblem games where there isn't a World Map or grinding area and you go straight from one story chapter (or sidequest/paralogue) to the next, giving them kills deprives them valuable EXP that can be given to another unit. They're already promoted, which means they are higher level and will earn much less EXP than if one of your normal units took the kill. Typically prepromoted units like Frederick are used only in the earlygame on harder modes to aggro, tank, and weaken enemy units, then when your main units get enough levels to get going, you bench Fred since his performance becomes obsolete anyway.

2013-03-28, 12:23	Link #442
Haiprbim Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Visual Dream Panire	I have watched a little bit of the game's game-play and I must say that I'm quite tempted to buy it. Well, before that I would want to buy Tales of the Abyss, it attracted me more, but this one is on the list of let's-buy-it-yeah-ha-ho-gwah as well. :D

2013-03-28, 21:38	Link #448
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	Well... on higher difficulties, level capped enemies stop missing because they have capped stats and forged +hit weapons, so Vengeance/Nosferatu tanking is better than it sounds. It probably doesn't matter too much on normal since you can avoid everything. Tomebreaker is a little situational since the Avoid boost only comes from when the enemy is equipped with a tome, unless you're going to limit Noire to killing only mages. You could go for Lifetaker from Dark Knight since that lets you heal for every kill you get.

2013-03-28, 21:53	Link #450
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	Just because certain classes are hybrid doesn't mean you need to use them as one. You could ignore swords and use only tomes on Tactician. The only time when a character needs high stats in both Str and Mag is if they're your Avatar/Morgan with access to Tactician/Grandmaster, because Ignis boosts your damage based on the other stat (i.e. bonus dmg based on Str when using tomes, int when using physical weapons).

2013-03-29, 11:53	Link #454
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	There's some spoilerific implications with Morgan that are difficult to answer unless you know the true identity of the Avatar and what happened in the bad future Lucina and the other children came from. It wouldn't be fun to spoil that even in tags, so I'll just say to finish the main story.

2013-03-29, 21:44	Link #458
Xacual Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	Yes I'm sure, because I don't have Yen'fay's map and that was in the update. __________________ I was influenced by a certain group overflowing with madness and started trying to write a story. Please give it a try. Crashed into Fantasy

2013-03-29, 23:10	Link #459
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	If the DLC is showing properly, then I can't think of anything unless you turned off Spotpass by accident. If not, try turning it off then back on again anyway.