Muv-Luv Franchise - FanFiction Discussion

[grevierr]

Originally Posted by Hagoshod

Hi there, Wild Goose. How are you today? I just wanted to drop in to let you know I've started reading the actually Muv-Luv trilogy recently and


BUH-BOOM.

That's me nuking your argument.

Volunteered for IJA, gets assigned to U.N. forces instead because of politics, starts training in the U.N. under Marimo.

Your conceit never fails to amuse.

[DoomRavager]

Originally Posted by Hagoshod

BUH-BOOM.

That's me nuking your argument.

You know there's a real difference between a brand new fresh recruit signing up for the Imperial Army and instead of being allowed to go train for the Imperials being redirected to the UN 207B training squad along with all the other political hostages, and a commissioned Imperial Royal Guard officer for some reason transferring into the same?

I don't mind you ignoring canon for the sake of fanfics (because really, the point of fanfics is to reject canon and replace it with one's own story), but you really must not be so desperate to vindicate yourself that you have to grasp at thin ice such.

If you're going to suddenly leap on every single little thing you find that you think you might be able to drag out of context and twist into insulting someone who offended you without fully understanding what the argument or your attempted refutal is based on, you're not really going anywhere fast.

[grevierr]

Originally Posted by DoomRavager

You know there's a real difference between a brand new fresh recruit signing up for the Imperial Army and instead of being allowed to go train for the Imperials being redirected to the UN 207B training squad along with all the other political hostages, and a commissioned Imperial Royal Guard officer for some reason transferring into the same?

Small correction,

Spoiler for 207 Cohort:

the training cohort was initially UN 207 training cohort with Akane and the rest. It was split into the 207B squad after they failed the first time and had to retake the survival test. By the time the rest joined, only Akane was left. The others from 207A died. Whether it was coincidental that all the politicals reminded in 207B is unknown.

[tsunade666]

isn't the scene hagoshod show a scene from unlimited though I'm not sure and I think its only in alternative where Yuuko reveal the situation of the girls to Takeru. The girls being political hostages of UN army. Though I'm not really sure.

[Dragonkid11]

Now I'm going to have a lot of problem in even thinking about my fanfic idea

Mostly because of how it stretched from year 1999 to 2001 and possibly beyond

Is there any information about when the cast was recruited in the UN army?

And even before that,when did Marimo became a instructor and when did the other Valkyries besides the main cast became Valkyries

Considering a lot of Valkries died off-screen,I guess I will have to create some throw-away characters in year 1999.

[grevierr]

Originally Posted by Dragonkid11

Now I'm going to have a lot of problem in even thinking about my fanfic idea

Mostly because of how it stretched from year 1999 to 2001 and possibly beyond

Is there any information about when the cast was recruited in the UN army?

And even before that,when did Marimo became a instructor and when did the other Valkyries besides the main cast became Valkyries

Considering a lot of Valkries died off-screen,I guess I will have to create some throw-away characters in year 1999.

Timeline here. Spoilers galore. Suggest you complete Alternative first if you haven't
http://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/Alternative_Timeline

[Dragonkid11]

Originally Posted by grevierr

Timeline here. Spoilers galore. Suggest you complete Alternative first if you haven't
http://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/Alternative_Timeline

I have already decided to finish Alternative before begin writing the crossover fanfic.

Doesn't help that the VN only have stuff and information beyond October 2001

I guess I have to make up a lot of stuff myself...

[Wild Goose]

I actually wanted to reply a lot earlier, since 3pm, but my iPad was being derp. Anyhow, my thanks and compliments, grevierr and DoomRavager, for your able replies to Hagoshod.

That said, given that I actually typed out this reply, I do feel like I want to post it anyway. Waste not, want not.

Originally Posted by Hagoshod

Hi there, Wild Goose. How are you today? I just wanted to drop in to let you know I've started reading the actually Muv-Luv trilogy recently and



BUH-BOOM.

That's me nuking your argument.

Why, hello, Hagoshod. I've had a really good day. You really have nothing better to do, do you?

A-01 is supplied its personnel from local Japanese forces, as part of UN doctrine (UN forces in a nation will be part foreign troops and part local troops given to the UN). Yes, Chizuru volunteered for the IJA, but before she got there she was shunted to Training Squadron 207B (under Special Task Force A-01, which is part of the UN Army) for training, before she eventually went to Isumi's Valkyries.

Whereas Izumi is already commissioned into the Imperial Royal Guard by the time of the Fall of Kyoto. Notice how she and the rest of Yui's crew were wearing active duty reinforced suits and are flying Type-82 Zuikakus in IRG deployment colors. They aren't wearing their translucent training suits, nor are they flying the training colors Type-77 Gekishins.

Contrast this to Chizuru and the rest, who are wearing UN training reinforced suits, and are flying Type-97 Fubuki trainers, particularly when they deployed for 12/5.

Besides, one more thing. Has Chizuru had prior training? Nope. Where is she getting her training done? With 207B squadron, along with the rest of Takeru's harem. Whereas Izumi already had the better part of a year's worth of training as a prospective IRG officer/pilot. (Yes, the training is obviously truncated and they haven't completed the full training syllabus, but they've got the basics down and have been instilled with IRG doctrine. As a matter of perspective, OCS takes 90 days, while Sandhurst and Dartmouth last a year.) Also, as I mentioned with AOCS, and with practically all forms of military flight training, you can be a commissioned officer without completing flight training.

Again, I will further reiterate that Yuuko wants fresh trainees with zero preconceptions. Izumi has already spent a significant amount of time undergoing IRG training, and has had significant exposure to IRG doctrine. This is the final mark against her being a member of the Valkyries.

Sorry, looks like you dropped a dud bomb. Device failed to initiate. Negative effect on target. Try again, Hagoshod.

Also, thank you for providing this amusement to cap off my day. In future, I'd suggest that you do try to lessen your preemptive smugness - it only makes you look more foolish and conceited. Contrast the tone of your post with my response above.

[Sendou]

Originally Posted by Hagoshod

Hi there, Wild Goose. How are you today? I just wanted to drop in to let you know I've started reading the actually Muv-Luv trilogy recently and



BUH-BOOM.

That's me nuking your argument.

Now you are just trying too hard in digging your own grave. Chizuru never got in to the imperial army, but was assigned to the 207B instead and that's where she was nurtured to become a member of A01. Keep us updated for whatever argument you may have. Your fine blend of arrogance and ignorance amuses me to no end.

[Tasekai]

Originally Posted by erakk

tsunade666, You don't need to utterly destroy my dreams... You know...
I agree, but i didn't want to.

After Alternative, i just want to believe (even if its less than 1%) on a reazonably happy ending. He suffered enough.

Originally Posted by tsunade666

IDTI IDTI IDTI

but truly indeed. He suffered enough. So its time to take a rest

Hmm... Sorry, new face popping in here. I've actually had a theory for a little bit that might actually be used for PaulXion's fic. Might just be pointless wishful thinking on my part, but here goes. Um, spoilers for Alternative?

Spoiler for MLA Spoilers:

At the end, with the big reveal that Sumika was the reason for Takeru's stay in the Unl/Alt universe, they went over that it was only possible because of the extreme gravitational disturbances caused by the G-bombs -the very same thing which makes it almost impossible for anything to grow near Yokohama base- and a strong will utterly focused on something; in this case, Takeru.

Given those conditions, since Takeru is still connected to the G-bombing of Yokohama via Sumika (albeit a fading connection) and at the time, he had an extremely strong will, it's possible that Takeru has taken Sumika's place; in other words, his will to save everyone is now the reason that Takeru is trapped in the Alt universe.

... TTGL anybody?

Anyway, that's a possibility. Another I actually remembered from reading Missing: Kamikakushi no Monogatari by Gakuto Coda. Good book, BTW, but here some some spoilers for it. Long story short,

Spoiler for Spoilers for Missing: Kamikakushi no Monogatari:

Protagonist brings Someone Who Does Not Belong into the world, makes sure that she has dozens of observers, and uses that as an anchor.

In Alternative, there were only two primary observers left when Takeru finished his journey -Yuuko and Kasumi. While the rest of the surviving Valkyries might count as well, they also didn't have as much of a connection to Takeru as the rest of the girls did. In Paulxion's fic, the whole of Japan at least knows about Takeru, plus a lot of people outside of it in the upper echelons of the UN. And who knows where else the news has spread his name? Even with weak observers, with the tide of numbers on his side... that might be enough to keep Takeru there, especially if 90% of the main female protagonists are still alive, along with closer relations to the rest of the Valkyries whom he's forged deeper relationships with.

Also, I'm of the mind that Quantum Takeru (aka the Takeru from every universe combined) might just be a completely different existence when compared to any of the original Takeru's.

[Wild Goose]

Originally Posted by Alastor Mobius Toth

Inspired by this, I bring you this bit:
*snip*
WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE?

And now you've inspired me to do a bit of my own writing:

Spoiler for Mars Drop:

It's been decades since shit hit the fan. More than half a century since the BETA first made hostile contact with humanity. Voyager I's loss of contact when reaching Mars was the first harbinger of the storm to come. And after a long, bitter fight to cleanse Earth from BETA, and then clear the Moon to secure their logistics base and their rear, it's time to go to where it all began.

Not that Jonathan Davis knows anything about any of that, personally. He's only read the reports, heard the stories, seen the pictures, watched the footage. Killed a few BETA on the Moon, but after almost fifty years of fighting, humanity has become very good at killing BETA. And he marvels, yet again, how a COSEAN soldier from Malaysia ended up in a hodgepodge mixed UN battalion that's predominantly American.

In the last few decades, the Americans have changed. He remembers his dad grumbling about how America was content to let other nations fight for her. That's changed. The men and women in their TSFs beside him, loaded into their heavy drop shuttle, are people he's proud to call his friends.

He has a grin on his face, viewing his Company Commander's all hands broadcast - "We are going in with the first wave! That means more BETA for us to kill! You smash the entire area, you kill anything that has more than two legs, you get me?" - and roaring back his reply with the rest of his comrades: "WE GET YOU SIR!"

He has confidence born of survival. He has been forged through the flames of hell. He has been well trained. He is riding a mighty steed of war. His powder is dry, his aim is true, and he is carrying twenty two barrels of concentrated Fuck You. Unlike the orbital divers of Galm Squadron, the TSF he is piloting is neither sleek, fast, nor agile. But when you need to stop every single motherfucking BETA on the continent, you don't get any TSF.

The shuttles depart their motherships, speeding towards the surface, pedal to the metal, and as they hurtle towards their fate, Jon tries to ignore the fear that's in his heart, and that's when he hears it.

It's corny, and kinda ridiculous... but the XO is singing. And it's an amusing contrast, the way her beautiful, angelic voice... sings about how today is a good day to die.

"It's a good day to die,
When you know the reasons why
Citizens we fight for what is right!
A noble sacrifice, when duty calls we pay the price
For the Federation I will give my life!"

Not to be outdone, the CO applauds - and then spams their comms with Celtic drums and horns, with one of his favorite songs.

Midnight mare, blood red roan
Fight to keep this land your own!
Sound the horn and call the cry:
How many of them can we make die!


When Panther Company unasses from their shuttle, backing up the Orbit Divers who've secured the beachhead, they're ready for action.

* * * * *

Compared to the brand new TSFs Galm are using - the FR-31D Super Sylph, ostensibly a development of the FR-31A Sylphid, but in reality an entirely new machine - Panther's machines are ancient, even though they've had extensive refits. Even the weapons they're carrying are old designs.

But then, not everything old is obsolete. On that rare occasion, you find something old that proves its worth, that the designers got right on the first try, something that transcends age.

Enthusiasts call it a classic.

Pilots call it the Hog.

The A-10E Wild Hogs deploy and go to work, raising their rifles and readying their shoulder Gatling guns. Nothing stops a BETA charge dead like the massed fire of a battalion of Hogs, which is why several battalions of Hogs have been assigned as the follow on forces to relieve the Orbit Divers securing drop sites. There is a saying: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The 36mm seven-barreled Avenger cannon is one of those things; shells large enough to kill BETA, rate of fire high enough to stop a charge, and enough ammo to kill a small town. The Hog is a survivor: the US Army has repeatedly tried to kill it, and has repeatedly failed, and when America stopped buying Hogs the MEU continued buying them and improving them, with lessons learned in the harsh school that was the Suez Canal. Additional armor protection. More powerful engines to allow carrying more armor. Hardpoints to mount rocket launchers and missiles, to give Wild Hogs that extra punch. And the thickest layer of laser ablative coating known to man. And better guns and ammo, always improving on the DU Armor Piercing Incendiary shells the Avenger cannons used.

The Wild Hog might be a one trick pony... but its one trick is plenty.

The BETA horde surges forward like a massive wave of flesh, chitin and bone - but the numbers that make up their greatest strength are also their greatest weakness, for they make a wonderful target for orbital fire, and their laser-class escorts focus on the descending XG-90 mobile fortresses to the detriment of their fellows, because it allows Wild Weasels - a mix of FR-31As and older Su-57s - to dart in and kill them. With no lasers, the orbiting warships deploy their barrages, firing kinetic energy weapons at the BETA horde. Impacting with the force of nuclear explosions, without radiation, and with cheaper costs, the hordes are thinned... but not broken.

Whatever the orbital strikes miss, however, the Wild Hogs catch. And at landing sites all over Mars, the same stories are repeated: a horde of BETA charging towards certain death, held off only by the determined confidence of men and women securing peace with really big guns.

At D plus four hours, Panther Company and its parent battalion are rotated off the line to the FOB they've spent so much ammo defending. For a few brief moments, it's a time to catch their breaths and take stock; to rest, refuel and rearm.

Then all too soon, it's time to get back to work.

Sound the horn and call the cry, how many of them can we make die.

Eh, wouldn't quite say it's the best I've ever written, and I usually find that the stuff I speed write tends to be crap, but meh, needed to get this outta my head.

[grevierr]

Just a thought, the XG-70s were experimental thus the X in the designation aka X-32 becomes the F-32 in test production or the YF-22 becomes the F-22. The mass production models would be like G-XX or something. Just give it a Fortress like designation.

And related pics again.

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[kaizerknight01]

Originally Posted by grevierr

Just a thought, the XG-70s were experimental thus the X in the designation aka X-32 becomes the F-32 in test production or the YF-22 becomes the F-22. The mass production models would be like G-XX or something. Just give it a Fortress like designation.

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That the Fabled fan made TSF T-50 Pak Fa = F**k the shit out of you BETA I just wish the TSF has Variable modes like a certain anime were even Super dimensional fortress transforms and does a Drill Milky Magnum on the enemy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slqa30DSSKE

[Wild Goose]

Originally Posted by grevierr

Just a thought, the XG-70s were experimental thus the X in the designation aka X-32 becomes the F-32 in test production or the YF-22 becomes the F-22. The mass production models would be like G-XX or something. Just give it a Fortress like designation.

And related pics again.

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I WAS writing this at 2 in the morning, y'know.

Also ZOMG Mave Yukikaze TSF! Is it carrying the laser cannon, because that would be really, really win.

[novalysis]

I'm not sure whether this has been suggested before, but I've been playing around with the thought of a Muv Luv - Code Geass Crossover, where the BETAs invade the Code Geass World at the same time as in Muv Luv Canon.

[Dragonkid11]

Originally Posted by novalysis

I'm not sure whether this has been suggested before, but I've been playing around with the thought of a Muv Luv - Code Geass Crossover, where the BETAs invade the Code Geass World at the same time as in Muv Luv Canon.

Already got one,please read page 19

[tsunade666]

Nah, I think he meant that the BETA invade the code geass world. The crossover of code geass and muv luv that has already been done was a story where Lulu was reincarnated into the BETA world.

This crossover where BETA was going to invade the holy britannian empire or area 11..... might sound good but the knightmare frame or the more customized knightmare frame from 7 gen and above are far stronger and will lay waste on the BETA. They also had that shields to protect them and hadron cannon that is mass produced. They will lay waste on the BETA and they had good leaders like some of the royal family of Britain.

[Dragonkid11]

Remember the political shitstorm,remember the political shitstorm....

[tsunade666]

the political shit storm in code geass world isn't that bad compare to BETA world where every country has their own agenda to fulfill.

The shit storm in Code Geass world can be easily stop by the emperor of Britannia if he had time to play with BETA or Shiniezel (or whatever spelling his name is) will put a stop on them and the empire will attack. Remember in Code Geass world there are only few power players and they aren't in war with each other. The only one who are invading are Britannia and if the royal decide to concentrate their attack on BETA. BETA will be turn into a pile of meat and also remember that Schiezel and Cornelia are good leaders that aren't all power hunger which the BETA world lacks.

BETA world leaders are bunch of power hunger being that tried to devour each other and that's why they don't prosper and haven't beaten the BETA yet. They try to do it their way.

Code Geass world is much more united. Specially if Shiniezel and Zero takes charge. Those two will probably use each other in the battle but they are smart enough to not take easy against alien race. Also the code geass world has lots of talented pilot which aren't dead. Comparing it to BETA world that the veteran are few and newbie are being sent to beat the crap of BETA or just to get eaten by them.... well Code Geass world has better chances.

[Wild Goose]

Only question is whether those shields can protect them from lasers.