(L) Dragonball Kai: Dragonball Z's 20th Anniversary Recut!!

[LuckyCat]

Originally Posted by Peanutbutter003

Spoiler for Ep 79:

It was almost sad to see 18 struggling not to be sucked in by Cell, and the actual scene where you see the tail trying to suck her in...it was also rather disgusting. I cringed to say the least.

Kinda surprising to see Dende back again. Now that wasn't in the manga. Will this be Aya Hirano's last prominent role?

Did I just saw Final Flash in the preview?

Spoiler for General series info:

You do know Dende becomes a part of the main cast, right? Oh and yes, that was Final Flash alright.

Also great episode. SSJ Gohan next week!

[Yui Is My Wife]

Must say they did an admirable job cutting away all access fat and leaving just the meat and bone of the story.

Though unfortunate crap like the Bulma-switching-with-Ginyu fiasco, SO intergrated into the footage and narrative, ended up staying whether we wanted them or not.

Heck, Gregory the cricket could have EASILY been wiped from the Kaio segments with some strategic photoshopping but why the hell didn't they?

This means that the Cell Games WILL be truncated with agonizingly long time wasting minutes involving Mr Satan's useless and annoying trio of apprentices.

If they have time to keep crap like that and wipe the blood off wounds with photoshop, I REALLY hope they keep this heartwarming short little scene, filler though it may be:

Gohan: I'm so happy Dad.
Goku: Hmm, why?
Gohan: When we were fighting Vegeta-san you promised me you'd take me fishing, remember?
(Nostalgic freeze-frame)
Goku: (Dopily) Huh, I did?
Gohan: We never had the time because we were so busy training for the androids since you came back, but now you finally kept your promise. Thank you.

Slow paced though Z may have been, it is THESE moments rather that add so much humanity and character, not the fight scenes, that makes it such a classic.

[Vegard Aune]

Originally Posted by Yui Is My Wife

Though unfortunate crap like the Bulma-switching-with-Ginyu fiasco, SO intergrated into the footage and narrative, ended up staying whether we wanted them or not.

Heck, Gregory the cricket could have EASILY been wiped from the Kaio segments with some strategic photoshopping but why the hell didn't they?

...You know, I actually finished watching the Z-version of the Freeza-arc not too long ago and... How exactly was the filler with Bulma and Ginyu too integrated in the story to remove? Yes, there were a couple of shots where Bulma was shown standing among Kuririn and the others, but that was all. They could have just, y'know, redone those few shots to remove Bulma, like they did with Vegeta's first appearance (to fix the coloring of his armor.) Or for that matter, there were a decent amount of shots where Bulma or Ginyu weren't on-screen. They could have just stuck with those shots. Sure, it might mean repeating some shots several times, but it would have been far better than keeping in that dumb filler subplot.

[LuckyCat]

A ton of the Bulma filler scenes have been kept in. One explanation could be that Toriyama wanted to keep Bulma in as much as possible, but I don't know.

For those that can read Japanese, wikipedia Japan actually lists the directors who were responsible for each episode of Kai. And they change quite a bit as the series progresses.

[FlareKnight]

Spoiler for Ep79:

Damn Vegeta. Have to give Trunks credit for doing all he could. Really having to kill Cell is a tough task with that regenerative ability, but doing it with Vegeta on your back is almost impossible. Can't blame Trunks for jumping into things. He's seen enough death and destruction that there is no interest at all in seeing Cell's perfect form. Sadly that blinding technique is pretty handy. A pretty horrifying situation being blind while getting taken out like 18 was.

[Shiroth]

Even though you know it's going to happen, plus knowing what Vegeta's character is like, it's still hard not to facepalm at the events of episode 79.

Oh perfect Cell. What a good looker you are.

[Gordy Lechance]

While I do not necessarily condone what Vegeta has done, I can understand why and therefore not be angry at him for it.

Imagine this:

You are Marlon Brando, a man amongst men, the embodiment of classical manliness, and then imagine having Hanna Montanna break both your arms, grind you beneath her heel as she breaks your spine so you can remember that its her who shredded your masculinity.

When and if you ever walk again, and a massive 7 foot tall rapist asked you where Hanna Montanna is, wouldn't YOU point out her direction for him?

My point exactly.

[AnimeFan188]

Oh boy, now Cell has attained his perfect form, and Vegeta gets his revenge for the
beating he received from #18 earlier.

Of course, Vegeta's not the only one to blame. There's also Krillin, who was thinking
with the *wrong* part of his anatomy when he tossed away his chance to destroy
#18 by smashing the control device that Bulma went to so much trouble to build.

Did Krillin really think he'd be able to save #18 from the likes of Cell? As a result of
Krillin's foolishness, #18 ended up dying anyway, and now Cell is vastly more
powerful.

And let's not forget #18 herself. In spite of being told numerous times to make a
run for it, she did her "deer in the headlights" impression until it was too late.


BTW. When/how did Krillin find out that #18 used to be human?

[Blaat]

^Krillin showed compassion, there's nothing wrong with showing compassion. #18 should have flied away, it's not like Cell could detect her.

Still honestly I can't wait until Vegeta gets beaten next week he really deserves it putting the entire universe in danger because of your ego is rather pathetic.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by AnimeFan188

Did Krillin really think he'd be able to save #18 from the likes of Cell? As a result of
Krillin's foolishness, #18 ended up dying anyway, and now Cell is vastly more
powerful.

Krillin's compassion is a lot more forgiving then Vegeta's ego.

[Kallen4life]

Originally Posted by Gordy Lechance

While I do not necessarily condone what Vegeta has done, I can understand why and therefore not be angry at him for it.

Imagine this:

You are Marlon Brando, a man amongst men, the embodiment of classical manliness, and then imagine having Hanna Montanna break both your arms, grind you beneath her heel as she breaks your spine so you can remember that its her who shredded your masculinity.

When and if you ever walk again, and a massive 7 foot tall rapist asked you where Hanna Montanna is, wouldn't YOU point out her direction for him?

My point exactly.

I do get your point, although Vegeta's main reason was to get a good fight from Perfect Cell, rather then revenge on #18 .. especially considering how much more powerful then 18 he is atm

[ronelm2000]

I really am a bit angry at Vegetables, he's too proud. period.

And you'll probably be more pissed at his pride soon...even up to the end of this series.

[Kallen4life]

he does make things climatic and interesting :O

[ronelm2000]

Originally Posted by Kallen4life

he does make things climatic and interesting :O

Well, my sympathies for Trunks...cus he just doesn't want the world to end, although all Saiyans, even Trunks without admitting it, does want to get stronger and meet stronger enemies.

[Gordy Lechance]

Originally Posted by Kallen4life

I do get your point, although Vegeta's main reason was to get a good fight from Perfect Cell, rather then revenge on #18 .. especially considering how much more powerful then 18 he is atm

You gotta admit he would have taken some joy in knowing she died screaming in terror. Even Piccolo acknowledged that for a classical male like Vegeta, the pain of being beaten and humiliated by a woman, nay girl, is more traumatic and horrifying than the experience of being murdered by Freeza.

You would also break out the champagne too, fellow men out there, if you found out that macho "girl" who beat you into a bloody and unconcious mess back in school was beaten and raped. Don't say you wouldn't.

[FlareKnight]

Not sure I buy the whole letting Cell do it just out of hate toward 18. I mean Vegeta is strong enough to handle that himself. It'd be more insulting to his pride for Cell someone weaker than him to take care of that for him. He certainly wouldn't care that it took absorbing 18 for Cell to power-up, but don't think he was that invested in it. More just eager for the fight to come.

Originally Posted by Blaat

^Krillin showed compassion, there's nothing wrong with showing compassion. #18 should have flied away, it's not like Cell could detect her.

Still honestly I can't wait until Vegeta gets beaten next week he really deserves it putting the entire universe in danger because of your ego is rather pathetic.

Well to be fair in this case compassion could lead to the end of the universe so might say there can be something wrong with compassion in the wrong circumstances. Plus it was 18's compassion that left her unable to leave 16 behind. So really could say compassion doomed them all .

Originally Posted by ronelm2000

Well, my sympathies for Trunks...cus he just doesn't want the world to end, although all Saiyans, even Trunks without admitting it, does want to get stronger and meet stronger enemies.

Yeah I'm sure at some level Trunks does feel like that. But considering his traumatic childhood and the world he lives in I think he's managed to shelve those feelings to a certain degree. If he can go back and never see anyone strong I think he could be ok with that.

[Gordy Lechance]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Well to be fair in this case compassion could lead to the end of the universe so might say there can be something wrong with compassion in the wrong circumstances. Plus it was 18's compassion that left her unable to leave 16 behind. So really could say compassion doomed them all .

This is the exact same argument I give fans of Saikano: if Shuji had been a fucking man, he would have strangled Chise. Darling wife my ass: she can't even have children to pass on your legacy, asshole!! If you had any fucking sense of honor, the world wouldn't have to die for you love!!

Yeah I'm sure at some level Trunks does feel like that. But considering his traumatic childhood and the world he lives in I think he's managed to shelve those feelings to a certain degree. If he can go back and never see anyone strong I think he could be ok with that.

Whether Trunks likes it or not, he IS still a Saiyajin warrior. Both he AND his "brother"/teacher Son Gohan took immense pleasure in taunting, frightening and killing Freeza/Cell as Super Saiyajin. Its in their nature, much as they deny it.

[Sety]

Originally Posted by Yui Is My Wife

Though unfortunate crap like the Bulma-switching-with-Ginyu fiasco, SO intergrated into the footage and narrative, ended up staying whether we wanted them or not.

Its okay, we got this song which makes everything bad irrelevant in that whole arc.

[ChainLegacy]

Gotta love Trunks in this episode. That's definitely the fastest anyone has tried to beat their opponent lately. He just doesn't screw around due to his past.

[Ahiru77]

^ I second that.