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StratoSpear · 2012-07-12, 05:54

What are the odds that an IS would somehow revert to its previous form? Like from Byakushiki Setsura, it reverts back to normal Byakushiki?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-07-12, 05:57

.... frame reset + data purge?

demino_hellsin · 2012-07-12, 06:01

Yep, that's the principle.

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Random xover harem list... vocaloid

Hatsune Miku: The dependable classmate.

Kagamine Rin: Little Yakuza genki girl.

Megurine Luka: The questionable onee-san.

Kamui Gumi: split personality between sweet wallflower "Gumi" and the human predator "Megu".

SF-A2 Miki: The bubbly android... people ignore the fact she's an android.

Lily: Cool rocker girl.

IA: Cynical toumei-ko(invisible girl)[could not think of a better term].

StratoSpear · 2012-07-12, 06:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroXSEED

.... frame reset + data purge?

Under what form of situation would that be likely to occur? Purging upgrades and whatnot.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-07-12, 06:11

When the unit become dangerous to it's own existence maybe. People often call it 'deadly upgrades' or 'bleeding edge tech'.

Mind you I'm just speculating based on my own ideas, there's absolutely no canon confirmation in this. Frame reset itself is mostly returning the unit to factory setting (canon), but the idea is data purge is done to destroy excess part left in the data storage. So the unit has 0 experience, so to speak.

EDIT:
So
Frame reset = Attribute resetting
Data purge = Level resetting

Frame reset is reversible, data purge is not.

StratoSpear · 2012-07-12, 06:25

I understand.

I was just thinking that as the IS continues to evolve and upgrade, it would reach its cap at some point and that the frame won't be able to sustain another Shift.

demino_hellsin · 2012-07-12, 06:29

@zero: Or they just want the core to be put back into a non-personal unit.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-07-12, 06:31

@ Stratos
Nah, it will just hit a dead end or something, hence the Generation shift.

For example, LV20 Gen-1 will be stronger than Lv1 Gen-2, but Lv20 Gen-2 will be stronger than gen0-1 of same level. The Next generation will always have higher base stat and thus higher cap stat.

But of course, I take a jab at Rain's idea once about Gen-6 I.S. who CAN continuously evolve, the result was of course singularity (due to the lack of need for innovation, it's very existence means innovation)

@ Demi
if it's only about core transfer, there's no need for data purge, only frame reset, and all the development data will be stored within the frame itself.

demino_hellsin · 2012-07-12, 07:47

opposite. The core stores the data. If the anime is anything to go by... on second thought...

though the frame won't revert as proven by the arachne incident. Unless the core restores the original design data... hmmm

Eratas123 · 2012-07-12, 08:14

Bored......

ZeroXSEED · 2012-07-12, 08:48

@ Demi
Well, the frame itself evolving, though everything is indeed because of the I.S. core's influence. So unless the frame is specifically programmed to do so (like training machines), I don't think it'll magically reset to level 1 when the core is removed.

Even then, it's stated in canon that even idle training I.S.es continuously gather data for improvement. It's the data application that is regulated by I.S. core.

@ Eras
Hmm, why?

StratoSpear · 2012-07-12, 08:53

What are the odds that a girl doesn't attract stares or plenty of attention upon walking into a classroom with a bandana on?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-07-12, 09:03

If the bandana is the only thing custom, just a few curious stares and nothing else.

You know how crazy their definition of custom uniform is.

in mine, Dan's bandana is his I.S. closed form, and by default similar to knight visor.

Eratas123 · 2012-07-12, 09:23

Nothing to do. I'm just watching Burn Notice to get ideas. As an undercover agent, one of the best tools you have is making it look like a bad guy is a good guy to their boss. This means they're blamed foe being "the law".

Unfortunately, this backfires when the person you accuse of being a good guy actually is a good guy, and you just sentence a good man to death.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-07-12, 09:29

Such is the dark side of the world

demino_hellsin · 2012-07-12, 09:32

@stratos: if its a ghetto bandana thn she's gonna get attention

@zero: I posted a rather odd IS concept yesterday. would it be so odd for a glitched core to exist? maybe it would even suffice as to why Ichika can pilot IS. He piloted the ejtrance exam uchigane which was rigged but other than byakushiki, he hasn't piloted any other IS

Eratas123 · 2012-07-12, 09:38

Senpai - Second One: Pretending to be an emotionally abusive boss to someone who's a civilian, especially if they're your family, is very scarring. It's not just an act.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-07-12, 09:40

@ Demi
That theory have been done long before you and I join this forum. Considering that there's no confirmation of 001 being a glitch, and Tabane just being ambiguous not confirming whether she rig the test or not, I'm a firm believer that Ichika is just that special, rather than his core.

That will make his position bad really.

@ Eras
oookay, not my cup of tea, but that sounds a good show with great appeal.

demino_hellsin · 2012-07-12, 09:44

it is a rather obvious theory to get but I don't quite understand why it's discounted. Is it purely because it feels too obvious?

Eratas123 · 2012-07-12, 09:45

Meh, it's mostly for narration purposes. The show shows great examples of both action scenes that deal with more than just shooting guns. As you said in my drafts, I need to add more definitions and narration, right?

Side note - Did you read the fanfic?

2012-07-12, 05:54	Link #33921
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	What are the odds that an IS would somehow revert to its previous form? Like from Byakushiki Setsura, it reverts back to normal Byakushiki? __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-07-12, 05:57	Link #33922
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	.... frame reset + data purge? __________________

2012-07-12, 06:11	Link #33925
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	When the unit become dangerous to it's own existence maybe. People often call it 'deadly upgrades' or 'bleeding edge tech'. Mind you I'm just speculating based on my own ideas, there's absolutely no canon confirmation in this. Frame reset itself is mostly returning the unit to factory setting (canon), but the idea is data purge is done to destroy excess part left in the data storage. So the unit has 0 experience, so to speak. EDIT: So Frame reset = Attribute resetting Data purge = Level resetting Frame reset is reversible, data purge is not. __________________ Last edited by ZeroXSEED; 2012-07-12 at 06:24.

2012-07-12, 06:25	Link #33926
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	I understand. I was just thinking that as the IS continues to evolve and upgrade, it would reach its cap at some point and that the frame won't be able to sustain another Shift. __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-07-12, 06:31	Link #33928
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Stratos Nah, it will just hit a dead end or something, hence the Generation shift. For example, LV20 Gen-1 will be stronger than Lv1 Gen-2, but Lv20 Gen-2 will be stronger than gen0-1 of same level. The Next generation will always have higher base stat and thus higher cap stat. But of course, I take a jab at Rain's idea once about Gen-6 I.S. who CAN continuously evolve, the result was of course singularity (due to the lack of need for innovation, it's very existence means innovation) @ Demi if it's only about core transfer, there's no need for data purge, only frame reset, and all the development data will be stored within the frame itself. __________________

2012-07-12, 06:01	Link #33923
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Yep, that's the principle. -------------------------------------------------------- Random xover harem list... vocaloid Hatsune Miku: The dependable classmate. Kagamine Rin: Little Yakuza genki girl. Megurine Luka: The questionable onee-san. Kamui Gumi: split personality between sweet wallflower "Gumi" and the human predator "Megu". SF-A2 Miki: The bubbly android... people ignore the fact she's an android. Lily: Cool rocker girl. IA: Cynical toumei-ko(invisible girl)[could not think of a better term].

2012-07-12, 06:29	Link #33927
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	@zero: Or they just want the core to be put back into a non-personal unit.

2012-07-12, 07:47	Link #33929
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	opposite. The core stores the data. If the anime is anything to go by... on second thought... though the frame won't revert as proven by the arachne incident. Unless the core restores the original design data... hmmm

2012-07-12, 08:14	Link #33930
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Bored...... __________________

2012-07-12, 08:48	Link #33931
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Demi Well, the frame itself evolving, though everything is indeed because of the I.S. core's influence. So unless the frame is specifically programmed to do so (like training machines), I don't think it'll magically reset to level 1 when the core is removed. Even then, it's stated in canon that even idle training I.S.es continuously gather data for improvement. It's the data application that is regulated by I.S. core. @ Eras Hmm, why? __________________

2012-07-12, 08:53	Link #33932
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	What are the odds that a girl doesn't attract stares or plenty of attention upon walking into a classroom with a bandana on? __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-07-12, 09:03	Link #33933
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	If the bandana is the only thing custom, just a few curious stares and nothing else. You know how crazy their definition of custom uniform is. in mine, Dan's bandana is his I.S. closed form, and by default similar to knight visor. __________________ Last edited by ZeroXSEED; 2012-07-12 at 09:21.

2012-07-12, 09:23	Link #33934
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Nothing to do. I'm just watching Burn Notice to get ideas. As an undercover agent, one of the best tools you have is making it look like a bad guy is a good guy to their boss. This means they're blamed foe being "the law". Unfortunately, this backfires when the person you accuse of being a good guy actually is a good guy, and you just sentence a good man to death. __________________

2012-07-12, 09:29	Link #33935
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Such is the dark side of the world __________________

2012-07-12, 09:32	Link #33936
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	@stratos: if its a ghetto bandana thn she's gonna get attention @zero: I posted a rather odd IS concept yesterday. would it be so odd for a glitched core to exist? maybe it would even suffice as to why Ichika can pilot IS. He piloted the ejtrance exam uchigane which was rigged but other than byakushiki, he hasn't piloted any other IS

2012-07-12, 09:38	Link #33937
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Senpai - Second One: Pretending to be an emotionally abusive boss to someone who's a civilian, especially if they're your family, is very scarring. It's not just an act. __________________

2012-07-12, 09:40	Link #33938
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Demi That theory have been done long before you and I join this forum. Considering that there's no confirmation of 001 being a glitch, and Tabane just being ambiguous not confirming whether she rig the test or not, I'm a firm believer that Ichika is just that special, rather than his core. That will make his position bad really. @ Eras oookay, not my cup of tea, but that sounds a good show with great appeal. __________________

2012-07-12, 09:44	Link #33939
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	it is a rather obvious theory to get but I don't quite understand why it's discounted. Is it purely because it feels too obvious?

2012-07-12, 09:45	Link #33940
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Meh, it's mostly for narration purposes. The show shows great examples of both action scenes that deal with more than just shooting guns. As you said in my drafts, I need to add more definitions and narration, right? Side note - Did you read the fanfic? __________________