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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 21 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 52 | 48.60% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 37 | 34.58% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 10.28% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 4.67% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.93% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.93% | |
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2012-05-30, 17:07 | Link #244 | |
Casting a spell on you...
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But you'd think such things would have been told to Tokiomi as well by his in-laws. Like, "Hey, son-in-law! You really lucked out, this girl here you snagged? Well our little family here has a thing that makes the kids born from our women the best they can be! Whadja think of that? Oh, and pass the pot roast." The problem is not that I do not have empathy, but bottom line, he rolled the dice for no real reason and knew the repercussions he would face. With the way things are done, he is not the one who will have to live with the aftermath, the child will. I don't see that as a lack of empathy, but the honest truth. |
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2012-05-30, 18:00 | Link #245 | |
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Age: 33
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Oh, yes. Say what you like about his methods, but Kiritsugu is the closest thing to "selfless" that this show can offer, making him an appropriate example for what I was trying to say indeed.
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2012-05-30, 18:40 | Link #246 | |
廉頗
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Massachusetts
Age: 34
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Of course, in Kariya's case, his selfish motivations led to disaster. But had he saved Sakura and done so based on impure motivations, well whatever. Some good came of it, no? |
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2012-05-30, 18:50 | Link #247 | |
Romanticist
Join Date: Aug 2009
Age: 33
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I'm not saying I admire him, and I'm certainly not looking to him as a good role model. It's quite the opposite actually. Kiritsugu is a monster, arguably even more so than Kirei or Zouken. However, he goes in the opposite extreme, going for a form of "extreme selflessness". He's a cruel deconstruction of the selfless superhero and a good example of what happens when a character is too selfless. I'm not making moral judgments here, and I'm purposefully sidestepping that line of discussion. Please reconsider your baseless assertions.
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2012-05-30, 19:04 | Link #248 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
Age: 46
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Dogding such things does not help the flow of a conversation, nor foster a debate because one can sidestep the entire thing.
It is not well mannered to not take a position when one looks like they are taking a position as it makes your "opponent" look like a fool unintentionally because they always seem to misunderstand your point because you keep evading making one that is constant.
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2012-05-30, 19:11 | Link #250 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
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That may be, but the topic keeps heading in that direction because of the subject matter.
It also may be due to word usage as certan words can be attached to a moral stance. Also humans tend to think in terms of moral ground when it comes to "right" and "wrong" even if those two words never come up in the conversation. Selfish and selfless tend to be draw in moral implications over an action.
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2012-05-30, 19:24 | Link #251 | |
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Age: 33
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Anyway, I avoid morality discussions because it's a quick way for an argument to go nowhere fast, but if anyone wants to pursue the subject, then I would willingly oblige.
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2012-05-30, 19:26 | Link #252 | |
King of Heroes
Join Date: Feb 2009
Age: 38
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You're saying being selfish is bad, but being selfless is bad too. That's just confusing. :P Plus, intentions are a murky thing. What about actions? Whether or not he did it for Aoi, he still wanted to save Sakura. That's still worth a lot in my book. |
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2012-05-30, 19:34 | Link #253 | |
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Age: 33
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The rule of moderation is the key here. Extreme selflessness and selfishness should be avoided (arguably), though that's beside the point of this discussion.
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2012-05-30, 19:51 | Link #255 |
Not Enough Sleep
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: R'lyeh
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change of subject here
Any predictions on how Kriya will die? 1. in a Blaze of Glory as he give all he can in a fight to the death. 2. like a dog in a ditch/sewer un-notice and un-mourn while his last breath is taking by Berserker. 3. in a patheically delusion state thinking he had/will save Sakura.
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2012-05-30, 21:34 | Link #257 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
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All three I'd say. Attempting to go down in a Blaze of Glory, died unmourned and ignored due to Berserker, who would of course take the spotlight (most servants do when they die as well) all while having a delution about Sakura as he dies.
It would be just the sort of false Hope thing Gen loves to thrown his characters into.
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