2012-06-02, 18:53 | Link #1101 |
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This is what I meant by "established and sustained fanbase", the moe boom may collapse for all they care, Bandai will always sponsor them to push more robot toys.
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2012-06-02, 19:33 | Link #1102 | |
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By comparison, KyoAni's stature in that ranking is less tied to one specific franchise compared to Sunrise. |
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2012-06-03, 00:20 | Link #1104 | |
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Of course, I don't think we'll see moe dying out in the near future. The next fad hasn't even appeared yet, and after the new fad comes in, moe will be reduced to what mecha is now and as the undisputed king of moe, KyoAni will at least be near secured a spot on the list where Sunrise is now. |
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2012-06-03, 00:50 | Link #1105 | |
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2012-06-03, 01:05 | Link #1108 |
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With Sunrise, I think that they're viewed as "The King of Mecha" in general. Gundam is a large part of that, but not all of it. I think that Sunrise also appeals to some "old-school" anime fans, and perhaps some fujoshis have jumped aboard the Sunrise train due to Tiger and Bunny.
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2012-06-03, 01:09 | Link #1109 | |
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2012-06-03, 01:57 | Link #1111 | |
Pretentious moe scholar
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I suppose you could take issue with my choice of "usually the most popular" but that's the kind of debate I see as largely pointless. Anyway, like Triple_R I'm just wondering why she's ranked so high and can't come up with much other than tsundere appeal. From what I've seen, Eru is a far more impressive and memorable character.
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2012-06-03, 02:06 | Link #1112 | |
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Bigglobe polls suck, stop posting them.
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SEED, Destiny, Geass and R2 were complete smash hits for Sunrise and had a shit load of otaku fans amongst others like fujoshis. You only have to look @ discussion on 2ch and see how those characters poll in various magazines to realize that. 00, 00 Pt 2, Mai-Hime, Mai-Otome, Gintama, Tiger & Bunny and Horizon have also been quite successful productions for Sunrise.... I'm disgusted you even tried to mention a de facto counterculture vote. Gintama also has legions of fujoshi fans, probably one of the reasons it has been such a consistent seller on DVD, the best along with Natsume which also has a big fujoshi fanbase. |
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2012-06-03, 02:32 | Link #1113 | |
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2012-06-03, 07:30 | Link #1115 | |
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For example, when we only saw a single promo picture about Hyouka (this one), and a two sentence description, everyone was already pointing at the screen and screaming about how it's so moe-moe kyun, and it must be something like "K-on meets Another", and how "they apparently went back to moe series after Nichijou's failure." On the picture itself, you can see four teenagers drawn with a somehow typical modern aesthetic. If it would have been attached to any other studio's name, the only talking material would have been whether as the next crime mystery, it will be better or worse than Another. (even it's art style looks kind of similar to Another, especially Ibara's hairstyle or Satoshi's eyes and eyebrows). But it's made by KyoAni, so everyone kind of played up the "it's a KyoAni moe series so we can only talk about exactly how moe it is" angle. I mean, it's not like KyoAni doing anything tangibly different than two thirds of other shows do and always did: they are showing teenagers with neotenous features having adventures, but they are not using an excessive number of cuteness tropes, or notably exaggerated cuteness tropes. Just in this season alone, we have AKB0048, Acchi Kocchi, and Saki, that are all objectively more reliant on moe art styles than Kyoani tends to be. What I think we have here, is mixing up the slang phrase "moe", that people use for anything that they find appealing, with it's very specific interpretation as a recent genre/fad/style. What most people intend to highlight KyoAni for, is the former, their success at making appealing characters, but they aren't specifically invested in the genre/fad/style. When the mecha fad was over, it marginalized the mecha genre and studios that profited from that. When the moe fad will be over, it will marinalize the studios that are living from the most excessively cutesy character designs and genres, and not the studios that make the most appealing, and attractive characters, that was always a main selling point, and always will be. |
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2012-06-03, 10:38 | Link #1117 | |
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2012-06-03, 12:10 | Link #1119 | ||
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This gonna turn into a "what is moe?" discussion... Quote:
The former is, I think not a problem for KyoAni. Even if we don't call those moe, because they was made before the phrase moe was created and applied to anime, they still fit into the pattern. Basically, most anime since Astro Boy, and most cartoons since Mickey Mouse, fit into the pattern that large-eyed, large-headed, cute characters are more lovable than mature-looking ones. It's a scientific fact, that neoteny (cuteness) is attractive. This is how we are hardwired. That anime also applied this fact to female characters, is just a logical result of much of anime being made for postpubescent boys and men. Even if Ranma 1/2 used different visual tropes to highlight it, the tropes themselves don't matter that much, as long as the moe reaction is involved, and as you just said, that's what KyoAni always does. They are not successful because they draw eyes in the exact right shape, but because they evoke the feelings that attractive entertainment always intended to evoke. Your latter implied problem, that the medium might get filled with macho men, is unlikely, as long as there is a strong male consumer base. Even in the 80's macho anime was more of a large niche, than the mainstream of attractiveness. They were the shows that weren't even trying to be attractive, they found something else than lovable characters to gather audiences. (e.g.: Grimdark, or grotesque humor, or intelligent plot). But most shows at the time that wanted to pull the viewer's heartstrings, still featured cute girls. Stopping that whole trend would probably be biologically impossible. Quote:
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2012-06-08, 15:24 | Link #1120 |
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The 4th Kyoto Animation Awards have began accepting entries. This year there is a return to the three divisions of
To preempt a question, the outline states that any Grand Prize or Encouragement Award winner has a chance of being published in book format or on their website. Nothing is said about an anime adaptation for this time. Entries are due by November 9 (scenario/manga) or December 10 (novel) of this year.
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