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View Poll Results: Monogatari Series Second Season - Episode 23 [END] Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 33 | 53.23% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 18 | 29.03% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 7 | 11.29% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 4.84% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.61% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2014-01-03, 21:08 | Link #81 | |
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2014-01-03, 23:24 | Link #82 |
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Did nobody else get the feeling (at the end of Otori) that Ougi simply made up her connection to "the Darkness" based on the events and suspicions she had just heard described by Koyomi? I don't have a strong basis for that suspicion, of course, but the fact that nothing Ougi described of herself could not have been inferred from the motivations of the Darkness described by Araragi, coupled with the deliberate provocativeness of the way she seemed to be baiting him, made it seem to me like she was just puffing herself up by association with the Darkness and might have had some other agenda.
Kinda off topic to this episode, but so far all I'm certain of is that Ougi's a schemer. I don't know if I can take for granted yet Ougi's representation of the Darkness's reasonings, nor her actual association with or control over its powers. |
2014-01-06, 06:10 | Link #83 |
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wasureta namida de koori tsuita omoi wa kirei de ano kisetsu to onaji kogarashi ga futari no jikan wo ima wa * kanjigai ichiji kinou mayoi * sentimentalism eien ni mitsukara na * na mou ichido mou niidoto ienai kotoba wa osanai mama yasashii mama kajikana kioku mou ichido mou niidoto iwanai kotae mo kanashii mama kawaii mama nukimori dake * wasurete * need help... XD Please help me complete the romaji lyrics of kogarashi sentimental thanks in advance :-D |
2014-01-06, 09:16 | Link #84 | |
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2014-01-06, 10:40 | Link #85 | |
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riyuu sae mo wasureteta namida de koori tsuita omoide wa kirei de ano kisetsu to onaji kogarashi ga futari no jikan wo ima maki modosu kanjigai ichiji no kino mayoi arifureta sentimentalism eien ni mitsukaranai setsuna mou ichido mou nidoto ienai kotoba wa osanai mama yasashii mama kajikanda kioku mou ichido mou nidoto iwanai kotae mo kanashii mama kawaii mama nukimori dake oki wasurete Things in dark red are words that you just misunderstood slightly, either having one more sound or missing sounds that are actually written in hiragana on the screen. For the rest, here's the original words: *理由 *巻き戻す *気の *ありふれた - completely in hiragana, easy to read *刹那 *置き And there you go. Pretty sure this is it. Still took me some time but heck, I'm crazy like that. Thank you for asking for help on this xD Last edited by Dusk252; 2014-01-06 at 10:51. |
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2014-01-14, 01:20 | Link #87 |
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IMO was an excellent series,the final is so dramatic ,but I'm very disappointed of Senjougahara,because she totally fell for Kaiki,since Bakemonotogari ,Araragi told her ,that as a couple , they should discuss any matter related to both,and Senlougahara lied to him.she met Kiaki ,deceiving Araragi
Also offered her body to him , and in the last day, she tried to see Kaiki just to say goodbye in a more sentimental way,and she called him many,many times , my perception is that Senjougahara wanted to finish the cycle(2 years ago) with Kiaki to have an affair and probably sex with him, the only thing is that Kiaki was also in love with her and he respected her very much,that's why he didn't do it ,but that was the only thing that saved Araragi, to be betrayed. I hope that in the next season Araragi dumps Senjougahara,they are not the best couple ,IMO Hanekawa is much better suited than Senjougahara,to be Araragi's girlfriend. |
2014-01-14, 09:43 | Link #88 |
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You need to rewatch. She never offered her body to him. She suggested that she'd sell her body to others to raise the money needed to pay him. As for calling many times, she kind of needed updates to keep herself from worrying. Her life was on the line, and she was trusting a known swindler. And saying goodbye to someone you had a job contract with is more proper manners than being sentimental.
Also, you clearly didn't pay attention to anything if you thought Kaiki loved her. The only person he loved was Kanbaru's mother. |
2014-01-15, 03:45 | Link #89 | |
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And You are very right ,Kiaki was in love with Kanbarus's mother ,thats the reason he rejected the advances from Hitagi. Even at breaking his simcard he assured no more calls from her ,because he knew it will happen, Hitagi is a dark and malicious person,she is very violent and hope that Koyomi gets rids from her. |
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2014-01-15, 15:20 | Link #90 |
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You totally missed the point here. Hitagi doesn't like Kaiki, she blames herself and him for what happened to her mother, even when she has a good grasp on the situation. That was what the whole convo about that case on the cult with Yotsugi was about, he didn't understand that bond Hitagi had with her mother, so when Hitagi says she will never let that go her whole life, she actually means it. So no, she isn't in love with Kaiki, she used him, just like she said.
As for the Electra Complex, she has a papa crush, which is understandable, because her dad is pretty awesome. The anime doesn't show it much, but he did a crapton for her as single parent, saddled with a kid and a truckton of debt. There was even a cute scene in Tsubasa Tiger between them that we unfortunately missed. Basically, she just loves her daddy. As for that promise you mentioned, Koyomi breaks it all the time, so he can't say anything. |
2014-01-15, 17:56 | Link #91 | |
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Koyomi have never broke the promise to Hitagi,if he plays around with other "girls" because they are even ghost or eccentricities,never with a real girl,is because he is just a teenager,I know is wrong,but I'll bet that Hitagi allows him to do so,but Hitagi's behavior is much serious,she is dealing with a mid 30's guy. She clearly knows the facts and risks> She went to Okinawa to offer her body to Kiaki,If she was only interested in sell her body to anyone ,just to raise money for him ,she would get first the price from Kiaki and then without telling him about prostitution ,she could go back to her town and sell her body and rise money,telling him that she was offering her body was an invitation for him to have sex. Clear as cristal If a Hitagi told Kiaki that she is selling her body to pay a debt ,she is committed to have sex with him,and If they turn to do it,Do You believe that Hitagi would talk about it to Koyomi...I don't think so She is a real bit** And is not a papa crush,she told Hanekawa ,that she gets EXITED in her fathers bed Last edited by kamehameha455; 2014-01-15 at 18:24. |
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2014-01-16, 08:05 | Link #92 | |
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You really need to watch the show again since you failed to understand the arc and the characters in a whole. |
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2014-01-16, 11:37 | Link #93 | |
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And Hitagi is pushing him in a way ,because is a nonsense to tell him about selling her body,that is only a hook,because in real world to raise that kind of money selling her body ,she needs to get laid at least 30 times in case she will charge 100000 yens per session.(equivalent to 3 million yens from Gaen) And that my friends is so stupid . In the real world prostitution is a serious mater,and is controlled in a way,could be very cheap (third world countries) to very expensive ,anyone can have a TOP RATED Hooker for $1000 USD,equivalent to 100000 yens ,also prostitution is controlled by the law,but is tolerated,that is why guys ,Hitagi's idea to have sex is to compromise Kiaki in a way,and as I told before ,there is no excuse of her in dealing the problem without Koyomi. The intro song of the arc is so enlightening,just Hitagi and Kiaki with some weird subliminal messages. No Koyomi at all. Again this is one of my favorite shows,I'm expecting the next season, but I hope that Koyomi and Hitagi end their relation,also I'm pretty sure is not the ending of Kiaki,he is just a marvelous anti hero,love his works Last edited by Kotohono; 2014-01-17 at 01:55. |
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2014-01-16, 19:09 | Link #94 |
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please learn to add more enter spaces to make it easier to the eyes.
also you must remember how the author and the studio are trolls. try not to take it too seriously, a lot of the antics are just the characters messing around with each other. as for the above, we(and hitagi) dont know how much kaiki would honestly charge her. maybe it would have just been 1 million, or maybe even 500 thousand. using gaen's money is unfair, she may have even just added a crap ton more than what kaiki normally charges. |
2014-01-17, 01:07 | Link #95 | |
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Now comes this twist ,the attraction to another dark character,but anyway I'm in the opinion ,that Hitagi has crush in Kiaki. As for the money,what Kiaki could charge is an easy guess,because he is an exorcist,they have to say market price. If Oshino charged Koyomi 5 million yens,for his job , then,should be around that quantity. I hope that Koyomi chooses the Hanekawa route, Last edited by kamehameha455; 2014-01-17 at 02:18. Reason: Please try to be more civil, k? |
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2014-01-17, 20:33 | Link #96 | ||
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2014-01-18, 00:22 | Link #97 | ||
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But it is a fact,she DID IT,I don't care the reasons, but she was willingly to have sex ,Can be lots of other ways,good and bad ways,to get the money .Speaking with her friends and boyfriend,was the best option,TOGETHER they could rise a good quantity of money and solve the problem .Sex was the only option she proposed to Kiaki,and as I told before ,that was only a hook,she keep all this to herself and Kiaki,only Hanekawa discovered this plot,but only a part of this ,but was by luck. Hitagi like to decieve Quote:
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again ,wrong place,.....then ,please blame Aniplex ,Shaft and Kodasha,I'm a simply mortal which has enjoyed only the Anime why people can't accept ,that Hitagi is sick and her feelings are volute my only point is that I wish Koyomi dumps her,but I know that is never gone to happen,cause he is very rightful and nice. In the Anime,the relation Kiaki -Hitagi is not so evident ,but is very real ,the author did not want to destroy Hitagi's image from a sweet loving girlfriend to a first class naughty girl. But ..... Last edited by kamehameha455; 2014-01-18 at 04:21. Reason: correcting |
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2014-01-18, 05:10 | Link #98 | |
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I mentioned the novel earlier because I just wanted to tell that your point is not as exactly right as you thought it was because you only take all of the things shown in the anime superficially without really trying to understand the conversations occurs between Gahara-Kaiki and Gahara-Hanekawa in depth. I will not bring further the LN topic in this thread, and I don't even feel like it actually. -Hitagi sweet loving girlfriend lol. you really need to revise back the root and the nature of the character. You have missed a lot of points while watching the show, both superficial and underlying ones. And since we are talking about episode 23 (26), please do tell me, if you please, what do you understand from the episode. Anything could do. I will not reply to any of your later posts since I clearly made my statement in the first line of this post. |
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as You said ,I can miss a lot of points ,data ,whatever,but the reality...,she offered her body to Kiaki that's it .Simple and clear.And You should accept it,if you are excusing Hitagi attitude ,ok ,but IMO she is double dealing Koyomi. I don't need to clarify my understandings of the whole arc,because light novel perception is different than anime,and even is the same show ,details are different is like comparing 2 snow flakes ,both are the same but not equal. be free to enlight me with details about the arc,and if You please can explain me the opening song of that arc ,because still confuses me a lot Last edited by kamehameha455; 2014-01-18 at 08:20. |
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2014-01-18, 13:38 | Link #100 |
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^ It's natural that novel readers have a better grasp on the story considering adaptations can only cover so much in a given timeframe (and Monogatari S2 is no different), but at the same time, it's not that hard to grasp the smaller details each arc if you're willing to pay attention to small details, read between the lines, and ultimately see the whole picture. For instance, it's not necessary to read the novel to see that Hitagi was very desperate to save at least Koyomi no matter what, and she was willing to go as far to offer her body as payment, which says a lot about someone who was traumatized by attempted rape in the past. It also doesn't take a novel to understand why she haven't told Koyomi about this: it's obvious she would've told him about this if it weren't for Koyomi himself, who has enough beef with Kaiki to flat-out reject the idea of asking help from him. Sure, selling your body is usually not the most honorable thing in the world, but the world isn't just black and white, and in a way this is the most recurring theme of this franchise.
Point is: you do have a point about novel and anime having different stances when it comes to percieving the content (and it doesn't help that Shaft had to cut out some content from each story arc), but this series IMO is still one of those titles that you shouldn't watch if you're aiming for an easy, spoon-feeding entertainment. Even the adaptation "sabotages" this when the vast majority of the dialogue is written in a fashion where even the most casual chatter, or a nonchalantly said sentence (or heck, even a word) can hold significant importance to the arc's theme and main character later if not right on the spot, and fortunately Shaft is willing to use the medium to give further enhancement to a part of these details. For instance, the body language of Hitagi in Koi's first episode gives it away that she's much more frightened/desperate about the situation than she lets it on (instead of being a cheap hooker...), and in general, there's a reason why Shaft puts so much emphasis on something like body language, or zooming on a character when he/she says or hears a thing that is important to him/her (like "good morning/night" in Neko:Shiro, to pick a subtle one). The lack of 100% adaptation of course makes it harder to draw conclusions, but the direction in general always assumes that the viewer is willing to not take everything at face-value and is willing to think about the story with an open mind, so even if Shaft doesn't deliver the 100% package to anime-only viewers, you can still figure things out for the most part if you're paying attention. To be fair, even as an anime-only viewer I can tell that Kabuki should've gotten at least 5 episodes instead of 4, but even that arc has the "meaty" element to a certain degree in things like why not the four swords, but a simple pat on the head was the thing that solved the situation. |
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