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Carpe Jugulum · 2004-06-05, 18:51

Yeah episode 8 was really good i hope the action is good in 9 i wonder what things this bird guy can do (i havent seen the manga, i did look for it today but couldnt find a good site for it.. if anyone as a good reliable place they have seen it on could you PM me plz(sorry if ive broken any rules there just edit my post if i have sry)

Yebyosh · 2004-06-05, 19:13

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Hm, Tetsuo *the biker leader* seems to be more...rational and responsible than he is in the manga. I don't really know yet what to think of that, though.

More? Umm... He was 0% rational & responsible in the manga

The same can be said of him pre-death in the anime.

This is a very radical & abrupt personality change that doesn't really fit in. It might fit in if they have decided to conclude the whole series with the Birdmen battle and are not going to continue with the post-Birdmen events. That would also likely mean no Second Stage.

a_nevels666 · 2004-06-05, 19:26

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More? Umm... He was 0% rational & responsible in the manga

The same can be said of him pre-death in the anime.

This is a very radical & abrupt personality change that doesn't really fit in. It might fit in if they have decided to conclude the whole series with the Birdmen battle and are not going to continue with the post-Birdmen events. That would also likely mean no Second Stage.

Well, the 'first stage' is only 11 episodes I think, so they'll only cover up to (and including) the birdmen battle.

But the sub-titile 'first stage' really suggest a sequel. (Most likely depending on the success of the first 'stage' since there's plenty of manga for them to cover.)

Malkuth · 2004-06-07, 01:57

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Originally Posted by a_nevels666

Well, the 'first stage' is only 11 episodes I think, so they'll only cover up to (and including) the birdmen battle.

Are you sure it's only 11 episodes, usually short series are 13 (half the TV season, I guess). Also the current battle (provided it follows the manga) should not last more than two episodes.

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Originally Posted by a_nevels666

But the sub-titile 'first stage' really suggest a sequel. (Most likely depending on the success of the first 'stage' since there's plenty of manga for them to cover.)

I agree with you. Also I guess from what I read (from the hawks scans) and what spoilers I saw about the manga, 3-4 more episodes should be enough to conclude the first stage.

Yebyosh · 2004-06-07, 02:42

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Originally Posted by Malkuth

Are you sure it's only 11 episodes, usually short series are 13 (half the TV season, I guess). Also the current battle (provided it follows the manga) should not last more than two episodes.

It's 11 episodes on TV, 13 on the DVD due to the censorship.

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But the sub-titile 'first stage' really suggest a sequel. (Most likely depending on the success of the first 'stage' since there's plenty of manga for them to cover.)

Yes, it does suggest a second season but it does not mean they will go ahead with the second season. If the sales/audience figure for the 'First Stage' are dismal and non-encouraging, they can pretty much cancel it right there. With GONZO's plot (note the reappearing elderly lady) & some of the supporting characters getting radically different from the manga (Testuo), they(GONZO) might have decided to conclude it in the first episode as they might have some difficulties in reconciling their version with manga material for Second Stage. Of course they could simply throw away the manga and do Second Stage their own way.

Side Trivia: Gantz the manga is currently at Chp 161 and going on.

GUTB_ · 2004-06-09, 03:50

Sorry, the anime is lame compared to the manga. The manga has a genuine feeling of grittiness and depression, and can hit hard when it wants to.

Don't read the bellow spoilers unless you've watched ep.9 or read the manga...I mean it!!

Spoiler:

tenshiro · 2004-06-09, 05:18

what I find annoying about this characters, is the lack of ability to react to the situation at hand. Mentioned before, the protagonist of a the series is a good-for-nothing horny only bastard. This could make up for that point. BUt still, if u haf to fire a gun to survive please do it. And episode 8, he sees the bird guy come, nice delay, run i say.

Za Paper · 2004-06-10, 10:50

I still think the girl, Kei, is the most annoying character. Maybe there should be a poll. Most annoying Gantz character.

dreamless · 2004-06-10, 12:32

I agree the girl Kei is really annoying. She's already annoying in the manga, but in the anime she's even more annoying. However, despite the changes made in the manga-anime coversion which IMO result in inferior plot, I still like the anime, mainly because of the music. I think the music in the anime are really kickass stuff, good tracks and fitting to the scenes, that's the definite edge the anime has over the manga.

a_nevels666 · 2004-06-10, 15:48

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Originally Posted by GUTB_

Sorry, the anime is lame compared to the manga. The manga has a genuine feeling of grittiness and depression, and can hit hard when it wants to.

Don't read the bellow spoilers unless you've watched ep.9 or read the manga...I mean it!!

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Originally Posted by dreamless

I agree the girl Kei is really annoying. She's already annoying in the manga, but in the anime she's even more annoying. However, despite the changes made in the manga-anime coversion which IMO result in inferior plot, I still like the anime, mainly because of the music. I think the music in the anime are really kickass stuff, good tracks and fitting to the scenes, that's the definite edge the anime has over the manga.

IMO most (if not all) of the characters in Gantz are meant to be somewhat annoying and flawed.

dreamless · 2004-06-10, 16:30

well, I think Kurono and Katou are not annoying (Kurono more like lascivious and cynical, while Katou heroic), nor are that handsome guy and that stalker girl, and the anime makes Tetsuo much more likeable. Also we are not just talking about "annoying", we are talking about "most annoying". Kishimoto really gets on my nerves in this episode, more so than those other bikers and that grandma and child.

hunterx · 2004-06-10, 17:21

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Originally Posted by a_nevels666

IMO most (if not all) of the characters in Gantz are meant to be somewhat annoying and flawed.

I thought this would have been obvious to people who read the manga.

dreamless · 2004-06-10, 18:25

Hmm... I don't see that handsome guy annoying, or that stalker girl, or Lara Croft-wannabe, etc. etc. I think the character in Gantz is just a very diverse bunch of people (and maybe animals...)

Sledeau · 2004-06-10, 18:36

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dreamless · 2004-06-10, 18:59

I just hope the part about that granny and kid in this bird alien mission don't get changed or cut. That's another one of my favorite scenes in the manga...

a_nevels666 · 2004-06-10, 19:08

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Hmm... I don't see that handsome guy annoying, or that stalker girl, or Lara Croft-wannabe, etc. etc. I think the character in Gantz is just a very diverse bunch of people (and maybe animals...)

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well, I think Kurono and Katou are not annoying (Kurono more like lascivious and cynical, while Katou heroic), nor are that handsome guy and that stalker girl, and the anime makes Tetsuo much more likeable. Also we are not just talking about "annoying", we are talking about "most annoying". Kishimoto really gets on my nerves in this episode, more so than those other bikers and that grandma and child.

Hmm...maybe this is because I read the manga but IMO all the characters are (intentionally) flawed.

Kuroro only thinks about sex, even in a life-threatening situation, also he's sort of a coward.
Katou is a little too heroic.
Stalker girl = Stalker
Lara Croft = Slutty.
Bikers/Yakuza = Violent dumbasses.
Pretty boy = Too insecure about his sexuality.
Dog = Useless.
Nishi = Selfish

and so on.
OK, maybe they're not all annoying, but they're definately flawed.

Also, it's seems to me Gantz selects these people just to screw around with them and see what happens. It's not like Gantz would actually need them to kill those aliens.

dreamless · 2004-06-10, 19:35

I also read the manga, and surely they are flawed, they are humans, not gods. however I think a flawed person doesn't mean annoying, they feel more normal thus in some cases more likeable to me. I personally find a "perfect protagonist" in animes more annoying.

Cort · 2004-06-10, 19:49

I think it makes it more interesting. They are more realistic than the average anime character, even if the situations they are put in are still bizarre.

Yebyosh · 2004-06-10, 20:30

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Originally Posted by hunterx

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Originally Posted by a_nevels666

IMO most (if not all) of the characters in Gantz are meant to be somewhat annoying and flawed.

I thought this would have been obvious to people who read the manga.

That is not true. If you read the manga (up to chp 161 now), you will realise how diverse each new crew pulled up by Gantz is. There's the irritating ones, the brave ones, the ones you would root for, the ones you laugh at, the ones you don't care for, etc.

But through it all, you will also notice how Kuruno changes (his character evolving).

Spoiler for manga 161:

dreamless · 2004-06-10, 20:58

yup, it's interesting to see how Kurono was who Katou aspires to be like, while now it's the other way around.

side-note, manga chapter 161 has such a great ending scene...

2004-06-09, 03:50	Link #306
GUTB_ Senior Member Join Date: May 2003	Sorry, the anime is lame compared to the manga. The manga has a genuine feeling of grittiness and depression, and can hit hard when it wants to. Don't read the bellow spoilers unless you've watched ep.9 or read the manga...I mean it!! Spoiler: The anime screws up Nishi's death. The anime for some reason differs in many details -- remember when Nishi shot the punk? The anime tried to make it look kind of justified, while in the manga the punk was just fooling around and wasn't paying attention to where he was aiming the rifle. And Nishi went off into this big bastard kick and put everyone down, which he didn't do in the manga. And in ep.9 they made Nishi look kind of wimpy. When he died in the manga it dperessed the hell out of me, because he was a bad-ass, and a pro, and it nice to know you weren't totally alone in the game, that there's a higher power that you subconciously wanted to rely on. When he went down it was kind of shocking, but that feeling is missing from the anime. And the manga played it very nicely, making it look like he could survive, and you start hoping Kei could beat the alien in time, but then they found it there was more than one, and so Nishi started to give his dying speech, you felt the character's shock and panic. Another thing, I wonder if the anime is going to keep the married biker for a while? They're trying to make him look a lot better compared to the manga.

2004-06-10, 18:36	Link #314
Sledeau Member Join Date: Nov 2003	Spoiler: Damn, lots of stuff has been cut from the Gantz anime. I'm definitely going to watch the dvd version. There's also been lots of stuff changed (the biker guy is made out to be a better guy somewhat, Nishi's death wasn't as dramatic, it made it seem like he regret his actions, where in the manga it made him seem like a cold and selfish guy to the end where he kept screaming for his mom. I gotta admit though, I don't really mind. I like it when stuff is changed a little bit, as long as the show is still entertaining, so it doesn't feel like I"m seeing the same thing twice.

2004-06-05, 18:51	Link #301
Carpe Jugulum Kessen Satsu Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chester, England Age: 37	Yeah episode 8 was really good i hope the action is good in 9 i wonder what things this bird guy can do (i havent seen the manga, i did look for it today but couldnt find a good site for it.. if anyone as a good reliable place they have seen it on could you PM me plz(sorry if ive broken any rules there just edit my post if i have sry)

2004-06-09, 05:18	Link #307
tenshiro ex-hitokiri Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Western Australia Age: 36	what I find annoying about this characters, is the lack of ability to react to the situation at hand. Mentioned before, the protagonist of a the series is a good-for-nothing horny only bastard. This could make up for that point. BUt still, if u haf to fire a gun to survive please do it. And episode 8, he sees the bird guy come, nice delay, run i say.

2004-06-10, 10:50	Link #308
Za Paper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004	I still think the girl, Kei, is the most annoying character. Maybe there should be a poll. Most annoying Gantz character.

2004-06-10, 12:32	Link #309
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	I agree the girl Kei is really annoying. She's already annoying in the manga, but in the anime she's even more annoying. However, despite the changes made in the manga-anime coversion which IMO result in inferior plot, I still like the anime, mainly because of the music. I think the music in the anime are really kickass stuff, good tracks and fitting to the scenes, that's the definite edge the anime has over the manga.

2004-06-10, 16:30	Link #311
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	well, I think Kurono and Katou are not annoying (Kurono more like lascivious and cynical, while Katou heroic), nor are that handsome guy and that stalker girl, and the anime makes Tetsuo much more likeable. Also we are not just talking about "annoying", we are talking about "most annoying". Kishimoto really gets on my nerves in this episode, more so than those other bikers and that grandma and child.

2004-06-10, 18:25	Link #313
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	Hmm... I don't see that handsome guy annoying, or that stalker girl, or Lara Croft-wannabe, etc. etc. I think the character in Gantz is just a very diverse bunch of people (and maybe animals...)

2004-06-10, 18:59	Link #315
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	I just hope the part about that granny and kid in this bird alien mission don't get changed or cut. That's another one of my favorite scenes in the manga...

2004-06-10, 19:35	Link #317
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	I also read the manga, and surely they are flawed, they are humans, not gods. however I think a flawed person doesn't mean annoying, they feel more normal thus in some cases more likeable to me. I personally find a "perfect protagonist" in animes more annoying.

2004-06-10, 19:49	Link #318
Cort What??? Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Age: 37	I think it makes it more interesting. They are more realistic than the average anime character, even if the situations they are put in are still bizarre.

2004-06-10, 20:58	Link #320
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	yup, it's interesting to see how Kurono was who Katou aspires to be like, while now it's the other way around. side-note, manga chapter 161 has such a great ending scene...