2011-12-01, 13:10 | Link #6121 | |
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2011-12-01, 14:11 | Link #6123 |
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Has it been Proven that the skill will Negate the end?
If that's all it took to beat Medaka, the manga would have ended. Even if Ajimu is sealed, she's still able to use a portion of her abilities. And if the End is negated, would medakas mind state return to that of a normal girl or will she still be as crazy as always? |
2011-12-01, 14:27 | Link #6124 |
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you guys dont get it medakas real ability is not losing , she never looses no matter what circumstance she is in . for example : tie medakas hands , legs and eyes she would still win no matter what the circumstance is medaka wins . Didnt zenkichi said to medaka that everytime winning is wrong then medaka put him as enemy clasification , winning everytime is like medakas religion .
ajimu is strong but she lost against kumagawa which medaka won so we can say medaka has somewthing that lets her win everytime , also in the past no matter what unreasonable thing medaka did it turned out right in the end then even zenkichi become used to it . zenkichi didnt belive that the things medaka does right but after 13 years everytime seeing her win no matter what the circumstances he started to belive medakas ways are right . i really apriciate what ajimu did for zenkichi since if she wasnt there zenkichi would never be free from medakas claws , there is something inside medaka that defies fate and alter it , i dont know what is that but maybe people are after it . but there is also that door thing that bothers me which changed when zenkichi comed close also nomally medaka needed to be friend with munakata but zenkichi did , medaka especially didnt liked when shiranui get close to zenkichi so i think zenkichi can be the key of everything . |
2011-12-01, 14:43 | Link #6125 |
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That doesn't make much sense. There's a delay between every ability Medaka learns so even without nullfying "The End" Aijimu would still be able to kick her ass very easily. It took enough time for Hipster-kun to kick her ass royally before she even learned one part of the Kanome system. This has always been the case. For every ability Medaka learns from Aijimu she has a gazillion more to kick her ass with. If Aijimu went for the kill there's not much Medaka can do aginst it outside of MC hax which is precisely what Aijimu's afraid of.
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2011-12-01, 16:08 | Link #6126 |
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http://jumppingping.blog110.fc2.com/blog-entry-511.html
heres another spoiler if you have japanese i would like a translation but according to this medaka can copy others moves from just description she heard nurses move from akune and now using it on hipster . |
2011-12-01, 16:31 | Link #6127 |
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So in essence, I was somewhat right.
Medaka could herself learn live zero which would then negate Ajimu in general. So basically medaka (besides MC status) can win regardless of circumstance. This would mean that Zen's ability is one that should not under any circumstance be learnable by Medaka. |
2011-12-01, 16:53 | Link #6128 | |
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2011-12-01, 17:21 | Link #6129 | |
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Anyway, Kumagawa beat Ajimu and he's not a main character. At least not in Medaka box. Maybe he had a flashback in his new manga or something about main character Kumagawa beating Ajimu. Either way, it feels like too many pieces of the puzzle are missing and the author is just trolling us, the only thing he seems capable of doing. |
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2011-12-01, 18:36 | Link #6131 | |
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But that doesn't even make any sense.... (where's that Shinji image when you need it)
That's quite possibly the worst ass pull from an ability I've ever heard. What happens if someone lies or their description of the ability isn't quite correct. I mean come on, what is this Still though it's not quite impossible to beat you'd just need to have a vast amount of abilities and basically not be a blabber mouth (which almost impossible for shounen characters especially villains). Not sure how you'd get around her spontaneously making up abilities which totally should be possible considering what she's supposedly capable of. Still though why would a MC hold such a ability why, just why. It's like Medaka has become the personification of everything I hate in Shounens. Freaking Mary sues, ridclous ass pulls and general bitches. Really if this turns out true I seriously don't won't want Medaka to be the MC anymore I'm not sure I would be able to stand her winning with such a bullshit ability. Quote:
Would she still be little miss perfect yes but her purpose in the story would be very different and have very obvious implications. Last edited by Tenchi Hou Take; 2011-12-01 at 19:13. |
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2011-12-01, 20:58 | Link #6132 |
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In a less meta sense, the reason Ajimu doesn't want to fight Medaka directly is because Medaka has fate on her side -- she's a born winner. Even if she loses, she wins.
If it was just a matter of power, Ajimu could probably defeat Medaka even in her half-sealed state. But all the power in the world doesn't mean anything compared to fate, at least in Medaka Box. Then again, Ajimu is one of the only characters who seems to take the whole "MC" thing seriously. The others either think it's BS or go along with it because it's as good an explanation as any for Medaka's existence. Again, if it was just a matter of ability, the Flask Plan would have been completed already -- Ajimu and Hanten already have the means to create and transfer Skills. Also, the ability to copy and improve on an opponent's abilities really isn't enough to guarantee winning. If that were the case, the Megaman games wouldn't be so damn tough. Yeah, Megaman still wins, but only because he's the player character -- the moment he wasn't, he sacrificed himself and later died. Rogue from X-Men also has a similar power to "The End", but when she's not the main character she constantly gets beaten down to show how tough the opponent is. |
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'Is your character unusually accomplished for xir age, time period, place, occupation, and/or social status? In something that is extremely desirable and/or useful in the story's universe? In something that is extremely difficult for virtually anyone achieve? Is your character unusally accomplished in more than one area? ' It's at http://www.springhole.net/writing/marysue.htm Personally, the score I got for Medaka was 100+. This is when 50+ means kill the filthy mary sue on sight.
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Ajimu might be an example of a villainous variant of a Sue. Ridiculous number of powers, immortal, a master manipulator, hot in a creepy way, incredibly smug and condescending, and everything seems to be going her way. Not necessarily a bad thing, since it will make her hopefully inevitable defeat much more satisfying. |
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2011-12-02, 04:38 | Link #6139 | |
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Someone natively that overpowered doesn't even deserve to win. It's like watching a heavy weight boxer beat up a baby. No that would be too generous at least a heavy weight boxer trained to be that powerful. |
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2011-12-02, 05:21 | Link #6140 |
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I am going to lol so hard when the zen vs medaka fight happens and he is all like "I knew it was going to end like this" and curbstomps the crap out of him. As for that ability, if she can use the end like that makes sense to me even if some lies about it, the ability probably exist somewhere(ajimu). What surprises me is that she can change her body that much.
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