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ZGMF-X10A · 2012-07-02, 13:47

episode 12 was amazing. Love the backstory of the characters and their playing habits. Toki has become my favourite character this season.

Myssa Rei · 2012-07-02, 21:22

Still no word on who voiced Atago Masae? I can't really check the Japanese wiki right now, and my office's browser doesn't have any Japanese or Chinese language support, so any entry will just show up as boxes. ^^;

Midonin · 2012-07-02, 21:39

Masae was voiced by Aya Hisakawa. Sailor Mercury, Yoriko Yasaka, Cure Moonlight, etc.

RJ TAYLER · 2012-07-02, 22:50

Not to mention having the 'yuri series' ' "Runs on the board" with Chloe (Noir) and Jodie "Blue Eyes" Hayward in El Cazador etc.

Triple_R · 2012-07-02, 22:56

I'm going to try to make one slight change to my Miyanaga Sisters Estrangement Theory (as posted here) to account for the key flaw I've seen brought up against it - The flaw being that Saki talked about how her family also got upset when she won.

To fully explain this alternation, I think it might be helpful to draw a comparison between the Miyanga Sisters and the Williams Sisters of real life Pro Tennis.

The Williams Sisters were completely dominant in women's pro tennis for about a decade. Over that decade, though, there was much controversy surrounding them due to how their father (and coach) managed them. Basically, there was widespread speculation that Richard Williams was fixing at least some of the matches between his two daughters - There was a sense that he felt that one tournament was "Venus' time to shine" and another tournament was "Serena's time to shine". Now, this was never proven, of course, but suspicions were there.

Now, what if the father of the Miyanaga sisters was like that? What if he felt that Teru should get to be dominant first since she's the older sister? So he privately got upset with Saki when she defeated Teru a couple times. So Saki decided to use the plus/minus zero approach to ensure that Teru didn't lose to her. While this pleased Saki's father, it enraged her mother, and Teru also took great offense at Saki throwing matches like this. This ultimately tore the family in half.

Saki's father eventually goes on to regret his complaints to Saki, but he thinks it's too late to fix things. He goes on to feel bitterness towards mahjong because of it. Teru might not have known that her father encouraged Saki to throw matches, and so all of her anger is understandably focused on Saki. Saki cares for her father, so she doesn't want to blame him for this, so Teru is never told the truth about it.

My theory might not need this alteration, but I think I'll throw it out there just to answer the "They also didn't want Saki to win, though" hole in my theory.

RJ TAYLER · 2012-07-02, 23:44

An interesting theory there and if I am allowed to extrapolate it to another sport then we had a good example of a cycling 'lead out' train going on with Onjouji Toki being the lead out rider, Hanada Kirame being the 'pilot fish' (keeping the girls out of serious troubled waters and driving the train so to speak) and Matsumi Kuro slotting into the ''Mark Cavendish" role at the end.

Myssa Rei · 2012-07-03, 05:23

What's going on in Teru's head in the final few minutes of the Vanguard match. How's THAT for a reversal of perspective:

Spoiler for Spoilered for size:

Maybe Sumeragi can translate this one? I can get the general gist of things, but some of the kanji lost me.

Scarletknive · 2012-07-03, 07:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

What's going on in Teru's head in the final few minutes of the Vanguard match. How's THAT for a reversal of perspective:

Spoiler for Spoilered for size:

Maybe Sumeragi can translate this one? I can get the general gist of things, but some of the kanji lost me.

She saw some strange things too...
1. Toki feels like dying.(FREAKING TRUE!

)
2. No idea.
3. Something bout the Dora.

Thats exactly whats going on... Teru thinks the points diff is very far so she riichi. And hoping no one kills off her 1 shot.(Which, Kirame killed the 1 shot..., dat Toki grin!)

She also noticed that Toki and Kirame are cooperating.(In co-op modes, you usually team up to play against the boss of that mission. In this case, it is single match, so it is like. Myssa + me + Triple-R vs Kyuu.)

She said she won't lose to such cooperation(She is the boss of that mission after all.. the other 3 are players...), until Kuro riichi, which caught her totally off guard, since she riichi there is no way to change her hand. Throw the winning tile, and Critical Hit on Teru(Baiman).

darkchez11 · 2012-07-03, 08:17

Question have you guys seen teru’s face when she deny saki being her sister? I mean saw her eyes when she actually said it?

I know that it was because she was lying or she doesn’t want to bring it up and talk about it that’s why it turns out like that (darken face) but I have this suspicion like there’s something deeper reason why she’s distancing herself to saki and it’s not just because she’s mad at her.

So this is my own theory about the sister (pardon my grammar >< )

Spoiler for Teru and Saki:

What if teru isn’t really mad at saki and she’s just really distancing herself for another reason.

What if she thinks she didn’t deserve to be saki’s sister because of what happened in the past?

For example we know that teru is a monster when playing mahjong and that the whole family often play when they are still a happy family, I have this thinking that teru actually the one who teach or indirectly develop saki in playing her +/-0 and also giving her the advice to bloom like a flower. Teru’s name can also be mean light and light or sunlight is what a flower needs to bloom, what if teru actually see saki’s amazing potential in playing mahjong and try to convert or raise her sister to be a monster player like her (only a monster can raise another monster) but something went wrong like what if teru blindly think that saki enjoy playing mahjong but it turns out otherwise, the poor kid saki was traumatize facing her own sister every now and then.

And eventually saki had enough, she did turn into a monster and fight her sister like she wasn’t herself (cold touka? something like that) and later on as she get out of it said something terrible to teru out of fear towards her own sister, so what would you feel if your own sister think you’re a monster and show fear in their eyes when you try to approach them.

And what if teru is like koromo being feared and called by other players monster and it was only when she was playing with her family(saki) that she fully enjoy playing mahjong but she felt guilty because her own sister isn’t happy or enjoying her match with her so now she’s trying to punish herself by distancing to saki. Why? maybe 1. Because she doesn’t want to cause another pain towards saki 2. She felt guilty and think she didn’t deserve to be her sister 3. She doesn’t want to feel the pain again of seeing your own sister fear you.

But then saki all a long think it was because she said something awful to her sister that made teru mad at her, she did try to take back what she said and say sorry about it but teru already decided to make a distance thinking it was for their own good.

But of course the family issue should be consider, but I really think their parent already starting to separate even before the sister have this issue between them (drama CD), and their parents are not really legally separated because maybe they still think their marriage can be save but the event that happened between the sisters make it harder and that they decided that they should be separated for awhile (teru and saki) thinking time would heal any wounds but teru is moving on with her life and making a distance between them more by being the champion for two consecutive in mahjong, it’s like she’s saying she can go on with her life without them. and now saki is here to face her would saki show enjoyment in their match or fear her again? can saki finally enjoy playing mahjong with teru?

Academus · 2012-07-03, 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

What's going on in Teru's head in the final few minutes of the Vanguard match. How's THAT for a reversal of perspective:

Spoiler for Spoilered for size:

Spoiler for Translation:

Scarletknive · 2012-07-03, 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Academus

Spoiler for Translation:

Fix'd for you since there is 1 small part missing

Triple_R · 2012-07-03, 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

What's going on in Teru's head in the final few minutes of the Vanguard match. How's THAT for a reversal of perspective:

Spoiler for Spoilered for size:

Maybe Sumeragi can translate this one? I can get the general gist of things, but some of the kanji lost me.

Is that fan-made, or from the actual Saki manga? I'm pretty sure it's fan-made, but I'm asking just to be sure.

Key Board · 2012-07-03, 21:09

fanmade

Teru actually looks even more scary in the manga than the anime

Master_Yoma · 2012-07-03, 22:04

Oh no Toki

So the last 3ep are going to be played back to back or on each dvd

***relentlessflame*** · 2012-07-03, 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master_Yoma

So the last 3ep are going to be played back to back or on each dvd

The 12 TV episodes will ship on the first six volumes, and then there should be probably two additional volumes for the last 3 episodes. But the episodes will probably be shown online before the Blu-Rays/DVDs ship, though timing is TBD.

Myssa Rei · 2012-07-03, 23:10

Triple_R+: It's just a funny strip I found in Pixiv I wanted to share. It's kind of obvious that it's fan made, since Teru has absolutely no idea what's going on (wherease we know from the show that she's at least clued in to the quirks of her opponents, since she's tailoring her strategy to them).

Triple_R · 2012-07-04, 00:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

Triple_R+: It's just a funny strip I found in Pixiv I wanted to share. It's kind of obvious that it's fan made, since Teru has absolutely no idea what's going on (wherease we know from the show that she's at least clued in to the quirks of her opponents, since she's tailoring her strategy to them).

You're right, but I made my reply to you before I read the various translations for it on this thread, so I wasn't sure what Teru was saying/thinking in it. So the only reason why I was pretty sure it was fan-made was the art quality - Which while fine for a fan-work, would be a bit low-quality for a professional manga.

Sumeragi · 2012-07-04, 03:29

Here is Hakka-ya's rendering of Teru in the doujinshi Buchou Musou. I personally love this short story:

Spoiler for Saki: Miyanaga Teru-hen:

Scarletknive · 2012-07-04, 05:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Here is Hakka-ya's rendering of Teru in the doujinshi Buchou Musou. I personally love this short story:

Spoiler for Saki: Miyanaga Teru-hen:

Last part... Is it really true that Teru gets lost in the hall too?(Oh dear... They need a map of the hall badly...)

RJ TAYLER · 2012-07-04, 08:03

Guide team mates all round! Have them pair up like the London Peelers.

2012-07-02, 13:47	Link #1801
ZGMF-X10A Tsukiyomi -Moon Phase- Join Date: Jun 2003	episode 12 was amazing. Love the backstory of the characters and their playing habits. Toki has become my favourite character this season. __________________

2012-07-02, 21:22	Link #1802
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	Still no word on who voiced Atago Masae? I can't really check the Japanese wiki right now, and my office's browser doesn't have any Japanese or Chinese language support, so any entry will just show up as boxes. ^^; __________________

2012-07-02, 22:50	Link #1804
RJ TAYLER Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: AUSTRALIA	Not to mention having the 'yuri series' ' "Runs on the board" with Chloe (Noir) and Jodie "Blue Eyes" Hayward in El Cazador etc. __________________ YOURS RJ TAYLER

2012-07-02, 22:56	Link #1805
Triple_R Senior Member Author Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Age: 42	I'm going to try to make one slight change to my Miyanaga Sisters Estrangement Theory (as posted here) to account for the key flaw I've seen brought up against it - The flaw being that Saki talked about how her family also got upset when she won. To fully explain this alternation, I think it might be helpful to draw a comparison between the Miyanga Sisters and the Williams Sisters of real life Pro Tennis. The Williams Sisters were completely dominant in women's pro tennis for about a decade. Over that decade, though, there was much controversy surrounding them due to how their father (and coach) managed them. Basically, there was widespread speculation that Richard Williams was fixing at least some of the matches between his two daughters - There was a sense that he felt that one tournament was "Venus' time to shine" and another tournament was "Serena's time to shine". Now, this was never proven, of course, but suspicions were there. Now, what if the father of the Miyanaga sisters was like that? What if he felt that Teru should get to be dominant first since she's the older sister? So he privately got upset with Saki when she defeated Teru a couple times. So Saki decided to use the plus/minus zero approach to ensure that Teru didn't lose to her. While this pleased Saki's father, it enraged her mother, and Teru also took great offense at Saki throwing matches like this. This ultimately tore the family in half. Saki's father eventually goes on to regret his complaints to Saki, but he thinks it's too late to fix things. He goes on to feel bitterness towards mahjong because of it. Teru might not have known that her father encouraged Saki to throw matches, and so all of her anger is understandably focused on Saki. Saki cares for her father, so she doesn't want to blame him for this, so Teru is never told the truth about it. My theory might not need this alteration, but I think I'll throw it out there just to answer the "They also didn't want Saki to win, though" hole in my theory. __________________ Last edited by Triple_R; 2012-07-02 at 23:08.

2012-07-02, 23:44	Link #1806
RJ TAYLER Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: AUSTRALIA	An interesting theory there and if I am allowed to extrapolate it to another sport then we had a good example of a cycling 'lead out' train going on with Onjouji Toki being the lead out rider, Hanada Kirame being the 'pilot fish' (keeping the girls out of serious troubled waters and driving the train so to speak) and Matsumi Kuro slotting into the ''Mark Cavendish" role at the end. __________________ YOURS RJ TAYLER

2012-07-02, 21:39	Link #1803
Midonin Last Engage Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Florida	Masae was voiced by Aya Hisakawa. Sailor Mercury, Yoriko Yasaka, Cure Moonlight, etc.

2012-07-03, 05:23	Link #1807
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	What's going on in Teru's head in the final few minutes of the Vanguard match. How's THAT for a reversal of perspective: Spoiler for Spoilered for size: Maybe Sumeragi can translate this one? I can get the general gist of things, but some of the kanji lost me. __________________

2012-07-03, 08:17	Link #1809
darkchez11 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Question have you guys seen teru’s face when she deny saki being her sister? I mean saw her eyes when she actually said it? I know that it was because she was lying or she doesn’t want to bring it up and talk about it that’s why it turns out like that (darken face) but I have this suspicion like there’s something deeper reason why she’s distancing herself to saki and it’s not just because she’s mad at her. So this is my own theory about the sister (pardon my grammar >< ) Spoiler for Teru and Saki: What if teru isn’t really mad at saki and she’s just really distancing herself for another reason. What if she thinks she didn’t deserve to be saki’s sister because of what happened in the past? For example we know that teru is a monster when playing mahjong and that the whole family often play when they are still a happy family, I have this thinking that teru actually the one who teach or indirectly develop saki in playing her +/-0 and also giving her the advice to bloom like a flower. Teru’s name can also be mean light and light or sunlight is what a flower needs to bloom, what if teru actually see saki’s amazing potential in playing mahjong and try to convert or raise her sister to be a monster player like her (only a monster can raise another monster) but something went wrong like what if teru blindly think that saki enjoy playing mahjong but it turns out otherwise, the poor kid saki was traumatize facing her own sister every now and then. And eventually saki had enough, she did turn into a monster and fight her sister like she wasn’t herself (cold touka? something like that) and later on as she get out of it said something terrible to teru out of fear towards her own sister, so what would you feel if your own sister think you’re a monster and show fear in their eyes when you try to approach them. And what if teru is like koromo being feared and called by other players monster and it was only when she was playing with her family(saki) that she fully enjoy playing mahjong but she felt guilty because her own sister isn’t happy or enjoying her match with her so now she’s trying to punish herself by distancing to saki. Why? maybe 1. Because she doesn’t want to cause another pain towards saki 2. She felt guilty and think she didn’t deserve to be her sister 3. She doesn’t want to feel the pain again of seeing your own sister fear you. But then saki all a long think it was because she said something awful to her sister that made teru mad at her, she did try to take back what she said and say sorry about it but teru already decided to make a distance thinking it was for their own good. But of course the family issue should be consider, but I really think their parent already starting to separate even before the sister have this issue between them (drama CD), and their parents are not really legally separated because maybe they still think their marriage can be save but the event that happened between the sisters make it harder and that they decided that they should be separated for awhile (teru and saki) thinking time would heal any wounds but teru is moving on with her life and making a distance between them more by being the champion for two consecutive in mahjong, it’s like she’s saying she can go on with her life without them. and now saki is here to face her would saki show enjoyment in their match or fear her again? can saki finally enjoy playing mahjong with teru?

2012-07-03, 21:09	Link #1813
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	fanmade Teru actually looks even more scary in the manga than the anime __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

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2012-07-03, 23:10	Link #1816
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	Triple_R+: It's just a funny strip I found in Pixiv I wanted to share. It's kind of obvious that it's fan made, since Teru has absolutely no idea what's going on (wherease we know from the show that she's at least clued in to the quirks of her opponents, since she's tailoring her strategy to them). __________________

2012-07-04, 03:29	Link #1818
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	Here is Hakka-ya's rendering of Teru in the doujinshi Buchou Musou. I personally love this short story: Spoiler for Saki: Miyanaga Teru-hen:

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RJ TAYLER Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: AUSTRALIA	Guide team mates all round! Have them pair up like the London Peelers. __________________ YOURS RJ TAYLER