Character Discussion - Lelouch

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Have you read any of the interviews? I think Okouchi takes Lelouch being dead very seriously, I think Sunrise would have to do something drastic for Okouchi to sign on for a sequel where Lelouch lives.

I mean something like Okouchi and Taniguchi gets large amounts of the money from the Merchandise.

So what? Just make a sequel without Taniguchi's or Okuchi onboard. Sunrise are the copyright holders and theirs plenty of other talented directors out there.

I'd rather have a new writer and director anyway since Taniguchi and Okuchi managed to ruin R2. Maybe Ruin is too strong a word but i dare anyone to say R2 does not suck balls compared to S1.

[Nogitsune]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

I'd rather have a new writer and director anyway since Taniguchi and Okuchi managed to ruin R2. Maybe Ruin is too strong a word but i dare anyone to say R2 does not suck balls compared to S1.

*raises her hand*
R2 wasn't perfect and could have been a lot better, but I still enjoyed it greately.

[Jaime Kordek]

Originally Posted by Nogitsune

*raises her hand*
R2 wasn't perfect and could have been a lot better, but I still enjoyed it greately.

Yeah, I can agree with this, while R2 wasn't as good as S1, I would hardly say it sucked balls in comparison. And the problems with it are less the fault of the director/writers than the studio, who wanted them to make it more accessible to new viewers since it had shifted to a more popular timeslot. It could have been done better, but it was still highly enjoyable.

[Shadowcatch]

R1 was amazing. R2 was less than amazing. Personally, I'm all in for Taniguchi and Okuchi releasing a DVD set of what they REALLY planned to do with Code Geass, no time restrictions. Lelouch would still die, but I would be able to enjoy iy 20x more if I had the entire story.

[aurr]

Personally, i think if there will be an ova then it would be about the two month gap.

[eaglei3]

Originally Posted by aurr

Personally, i think if there will be an ova then it would be about the two month gap.

That actually sounds like it would be rather boring... it would be nothing more than a drama with character reactions seeing has how Lelouch should have had no one to stand against him in that time after he captures the black knights.

[darthfury78]

Originally Posted by Jaime Kordek

Yeah, I can agree with this, while R2 wasn't as good as S1, I would hardly say it sucked balls in comparison. And the problems with it are less the fault of the director/writers than the studio, who wanted them to make it more accessible to new viewers since it had shifted to a more popular timeslot. It could have been done better, but it was still highly enjoyable.

R2 was to have followed in the same manner as R1 in the same mature format before the writers were forced to change their plans. If they do bring back Code Geass, it would have to take place in an alternate universe, which takes place after R1. I can't see Code Geass doing well without Lelouch going forward after R2. A remake of R2 is possible, given how it was done to several anime series over the years with a great deal of success. R2 did well enough fro Sunrise to grant the creators an option to do another series if they want to.

[Narona]

Originally Posted by youngde

True, but money is what makes the world go round. If SUNRISE wants a sequel and wants it to be a near guarenteed hit, they would bring Lelouch back, and Okouchi wouldn't have much say in the matter since he doesn't own the character.

Maybe Okouchi will be happy to bring lelouch back. Who knows. What he said in the interview was not clear. He said that a sequel will depend on the fan reactions. He didn't add the line "but lelouch will not be in it for sure at 100%"

Originally Posted by Pink-chan

I recalled that this anime was known as Lelouch of the Rebellion. Code Geass was added to the title later. I would say, this anime focuses on Lelouch. Should there be a sequel, Code Geass will be given another title such as "Nightmare of Nunnally" or "Suzaku of the Counterattack" along the line.

Why are we so pessimistic? Surely if they can create a character like Lelouch, they can always create another like him. I seriously think they can end it here as that. THE END.

That's what I said. I beleive that Okouchi can create another awesome character. Different from lelouch but still awesome in his/her own way.

[darthfury78]

Originally Posted by Narona

Maybe Okouchi will be happy to bring lelouch back. Who knows. What he said in the interview was not clear. He said that a sequel will depend on the fan reactions. He didn't add the line "but lelouch will not be in it for sure at 100%"


That's what I said. I beleive that Okouchi can create another awesome character. Different from lelouch but still awesome in his/her own way.

That would be a very tough act to follow. Code Geass without Lelouch would require some serious planning. To remove it from the Lelouch's world would be a huge risk, considering that R2 was somewhat felt unfinished.

A prequel with Charles x Marianne would be interesting. A R2 remake is still a strong possibility. A movie is an option that could take place between R1 and R2.

[Masterkeyes2]

Something I have always been curious about. There was alot of foreshadowing concerning the Geass, implying that Lelouch would end up alone. Does death in this case equal isolation? I just can't help but wonder if this was a foreshadowing for an ending they had originally planned but had to scrap in favor of a more Gundam 00 esque ending.

@CharredKnight

If Code Geass had been an ensemble cast like say most Gundam series, or shonen series than I would say that I look forward to a sequel, but Code Geass has always been about Lelouch.

As much as I like Gundam I highly doubt they do any better at developing a large cast than any other series. Then again I haven't watched the older series in a while so I am mainly speaking from experience about SEED. The only series that I think did a good job on developing large casts are Monster and Gundam 00. Then again the former is a masterpiece in my opinion

[morbosfist]

With all the emphasis they put on Geass making people lonely, I thought that Lelouch would get around that damn curse, which he did, in a way.

[Masterkeyes2]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

With all the emphasis they put on Geass making people lonely, I thought that Lelouch would get around that damn curse, which he did, in a way.

I thought he wouldn't, considering how Shirley and Euphie died, I expected alot more of those close to him die before receiving the Code and having out-live the rest of his remaining loved ones.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by Masterkeyes2

Something I have always been curious about. There was alot of foreshadowing concerning the Geass, implying that Lelouch would end up alone. Does death in this case equal isolation? I just can't help but wonder if this was a foreshadowing for an ending they had originally planned but had to scrap in favor of a more Gundam 00 esque ending.

@CharredKnight



As much as I like Gundam I highly doubt they do any better at developing a large cast than any other series. Then again I haven't watched the older series in a while so I am mainly speaking from experience about SEED. The only series that I think did a good job on developing large casts are Monster and Gundam 00. Then again the former is a masterpiece in my opinion

I am just saying that with Gundam, Tomino could create Zeta Gundam using Char, and Bright as the only main characters from the original Gundam series because those two where so developed.

Would anyone watch a Code Geass series starring an entirely new cast with Suzaku and Ougi as the two leaders?

The Ougi Slap!

[kk2extreme]

why cant he fake his death and change his name, so he could live in peace, or did he fake his death

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by kk2extreme

why cant he fake his death and change his name, so he could live in peace, or did he fake his death

Okouchi has stated that his dead in the 42nd issue of Continue magazine.

Lelouch did this for two reasons

1. Pride (Those who shoot must be willing to be shot), in other words those who kill must be willing to be killed. Lelouch had sacrificed hundreds of innocent people to get where he was, and killed himself to show that resolution.
2. He felt that he needed to do this to redeem himself. Lelouch was a good person who did horrible things due to his heavily flawed nature. He wasn't like Charles who was evil, and didn't give a damn about what he did. Charles commited genocide killing millions and didn't care, Lelouch brainwashed hundreds and he felt bad.

[Pink-chan]

Originally Posted by Narona

That's what I said. I beleive that Okouchi can create another awesome character. Different from lelouch but still awesome in his/her own way.

That should be the way. But if fanbase are still in denial, the other way is not to have anymore related series and end this the way it is.

[Knight Of Zero]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Have you read any of the interviews? I think Okouchi takes Lelouch being dead very seriously, I think Sunrise would have to do something drastic for Okouchi to sign on for a sequel where Lelouch lives.

And so if I were to agree with u I'll have to acknowlege that Lelouch for gone for good(which I won't). AND you never thought that he'll make a scene in the sequel?

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Knight Of Zero

And so if I were to agree with u I'll have to acknowlege that Lelouch for gone for good(which I won't). AND you never thought that he'll make a scene in the sequel?

his VA would have to be part of the main cast (as ZERO's VA, not lelouch)
suzkau has to use a voice changer after the switch
otherwise people would notice

[youngde]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Okouchi has stated that his dead in the 42nd issue of Continue magazine.

Lelouch did this for two reasons

1. Pride (Those who shoot must be willing to be shot), in other words those who kill must be willing to be killed. Lelouch had sacrificed hundreds of innocent people to get where he was, and killed himself to show that resolution.
2. He felt that he needed to do this to redeem himself. Lelouch was a good person who did horrible things due to his heavily flawed nature. He wasn't like Charles who was evil, and didn't give a damn about what he did. Charles commited genocide killing millions and didn't care, Lelouch brainwashed hundreds and he felt bad.

I'm sorry, but if he was just dying to satisfy his own pride and because he had some psychological need to heap all of the blame onto himself, that is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard of. He didn't have the right to leave all the people that loved him behind to care for the peace he sacrificed so much for. That's just a major cop out.

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Okouchi has stated that his dead in the 42nd issue of Continue magazine.

Lelouch did this for two reasons

1. Pride (Those who shoot must be willing to be shot), in other words those who kill must be willing to be killed. Lelouch had sacrificed hundreds of innocent people to get where he was, and killed himself to show that resolution.
2. He felt that he needed to do this to redeem himself. Lelouch was a good person who did horrible things due to his heavily flawed nature. He wasn't like Charles who was evil, and didn't give a damn about what he did. Charles commited genocide killing millions and didn't care, Lelouch brainwashed hundreds and he felt bad.

Death is not necessarily redemption.
don't confuse redemption with sacrifice. (or any comparision's with Jesus would make me facepalm.)

i going to pounce on number 2.
Death is not redeeming, death is escape/cop out.
you are not taking responsibility for what you put the world in.
Instead your taking the easy way out.
By dying you are no longer have to worry about the world.
As you no longer are part of it.
In the end your escaping your responsibilities.
Lelouch has a responsibility to the world to rebuild it.
Lelouch succeeded in destroying the world.
Lelouch destroy the status quo of the world.
But he uttrely failed in rebuilding it as he is dead.
He no longer is part of the process instead leaving that responsibility to others.
Its a lot harder to live for what you believe than to die for it.
Lelouch make the world a better place?
Yes he did.
At what cost?
Millions dead. Homes lost etc etc.
Was it worth it?
I am not sure.

By lelouch dying it was a major cop out.
It was the easy way out instead of explaining some loose tied ends left on the table.
this is a snippet of what i would argue.