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Diedrupo · 2007-11-28, 00:33

You know, the more I reread chapter 48, the more I realize that there's that dreaded possibility that a lot of ideas presented in the anime in fact originated from Kitoh, and that he may have simply given these ideas to the anime director so he had an idea of what to deal with for the 2nd half of the story.

I'm starting to think that

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serenade_beta · 2007-11-28, 00:54

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Hmm? But on this page:

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Diedrupo · 2007-11-28, 01:36

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Hmm? But on this page:

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Ugh, well that's retarded

. I guess this does mean that Kitoh had given these ideas to Morita for the anime. Or at least I hope so. Either that or he's writing the story to adapt to what happened in the anime, which would make me lose massive respect for him (so I hope that's not the case).

I should note that there's a later page in this chapter where one of Sasami's staffmembers tells him that they have people watching the family of the remaining pilots, and there is mention of people at Machi's house, so Machi obviously has some kind of family here. I want to know how Kitoh's going to explain this ridiculous revelation. It was stupid in the anime and unless Kitoh does something incredible, it's going to be stupid in the manga.

And now i'm oddly disappointed with Bokurano now because the parallel with the crappy anime ending makes it easy to predict what will happen. Ushiro will somehow find a way to bail Kana out of the contract and end up a pilot himself and Machi will probably betray Dungbeetle and bail out Tanaka/save the earth from future Zearth battles or something. Ugh.

Bijoux · 2007-11-28, 16:33

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Originally Posted by Diedrupo

Ugh, well that's retarded

. I guess this does mean that Kitoh had given these ideas to Morita for the anime. Or at least I hope so. Either that or he's writing the story to adapt to what happened in the anime, which would make me lose massive respect for him (so I hope that's not the case).

I should note that there's a later page in this chapter where one of Sasami's staffmembers tells him that they have people watching the family of the remaining pilots, and there is mention of people at Machi's house, so Machi obviously has some kind of family here. I want to know how Kitoh's going to explain this ridiculous revelation. It was stupid in the anime and unless Kitoh does something incredible, it's going to be stupid in the manga.

And now i'm oddly disappointed with Bokurano now because the parallel with the crappy anime ending makes it easy to predict what will happen. Ushiro will somehow find a way to bail Kana out of the contract and end up a pilot himself and Machi will probably betray Dungbeetle and bail out Tanaka/save the earth from future Zearth battles or something. Ugh.

I feel as if the world is falling appart around my ears.... I really hope this dosen't end the way the anime does. I agree, that would make me loose reaspect for Kitoh. Which I would really hate to give up.

Edit: Wait a sec, didn't Morita say that the anime would have an ending sepperat from the manga. I know that Morita hated the origional, and asked Kitoh if he could change it, who said he could. This makes me think that Kitoh will give us one or two final plot twists before the final end. Mabey Morita just borrowed some elements from the end of the manga for the anime.

Diedrupo · 2007-11-28, 18:05

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I feel as if the world is falling appart around my ears.... I really hope this dosen't end the way the anime does. I agree, that would make me loose reaspect for Kitoh. Which I would really hate to give up.

Edit: Wait a sec, didn't Morita say that the anime would have an ending sepperat from the manga. I know that Morita hated the origional, and asked Kitoh if he could change it, who said he could. This makes me think that Kitoh will give us one or two final plot twists before the final end. Mabey Morita just borrowed some elements from the end of the manga for the anime.

Well Kitoh isn't exactly known for great endings either (see Narutaru) but I had high hopes he wouldn't have gone the silly route of the anime. At least the whole masterminds/big corporation bullshit isn't in the manga...

Iriliane · 2007-12-06, 08:04

Cover for volume 4 of alternative is out. From the cover, it looks like the pilots this time will be Kana, Maria and Komo leaving only Jun, Kanji and Maya for the fifth and presumably final volume.

Going by the summary on the Gagaga Bunko website it seems this volume centers around the American government threatening to indiscriminantly nuke Tokyo should things with Zearth (Yes, it was finally named by Anko at the end of Volume 3) not wrap up soon.

Iriliane · 2007-12-06, 10:10

Memory · 2007-12-14, 16:39

Hi i'm new ^_^
Sorry for my english but i don't speak much (i'm italian). I have a question. Where can i find bokurano ch 46, 47, 47-2?
I haven't winny.
Thank you very much ^_^

Diedrupo · 2007-12-26, 04:42

chapter 49 is out... i'll have impressions as soon as it's DLed.

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Reading this chapter made me realize how stupid the anime was: namely why didn't Kokopelli say anything about Machi? He should have remembered her from their previous encounter. I'd also like to see how that is explained in the manga at some point. Machi is not in this chapter at all, though I am wondering why Sasami hasn't questioned Dungbeetle on her exclusion yet.

Chao Otaku · 2007-12-26, 08:55

Ehh... Can't really say I didn't see this coming.

Though, I'm going to wait before I decide whether I like it or not. Kitoh's a much better writer than the guys they had doing the anime and I could see him pulling this off a lot better than they did.

Bijoux · 2007-12-26, 14:48

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Reading this chapter made me realize how stupid the anime was: namely why didn't Kokopelli say anything about Machi? He should have remembered her from their previous encounter. I'd also like to see how that is explained in the manga at some point. Machi is not in this chapter at all, though I am wondering why Sasami hasn't questioned Dungbeetle on her exclusion yet.

I really hate to say this....Sounds like a pretty sucky chapter to me...

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Ehh... Can't really say I didn't see this coming.

Though, I'm going to wait before I decide whether I like it or not. Kitoh's a much better writer than the guys they had doing the anime and I could see him pulling this off a lot better than they did.

I totally agree. He could pull of a lot better. Much better.

kuruzen · 2008-01-09, 19:55

...soooooo... any new anything, discussions, comments, concerns?

Any news on the differences of alternative? My curiousness is quite piqued, so I may just have to run and get it myself.

Oh, darn.

Still hoping for the manga to get back in the swing of things; if it ends like the anime I may just have to beat someone...

or not. :/ But I'll be a bit irked by it.

kuruzen · 2008-01-16, 22:39

ARGH new post.

Reading what I could of moonspeak, in 48 Tanaka meets Ushiro's pappy. SO:

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serenade_beta · 2008-01-16, 23:20

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ARGH new post.

Reading what I could of moonspeak, in 48 Tanaka meets Ushiro's pappy. SO:

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kuruzen · 2008-01-17, 20:53

Oh, noes. I'd been hoping for something else. LIEK

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Nertz.

stpehen · 2008-01-19, 21:29

MS has finally managed to deliver Rosemary's baby in the form of chapters 44, 45, 46, 47 and 47-2.

http://www.mangascreener.com

kuruzen · 2008-01-21, 22:14

Oh, hurray.

...and it's only a matter of days until the next potentially awesome/failing chapter! Brace for impact, everyone!

Diedrupo · 2008-01-22, 02:09

Personally, I think Kitoh decided to use the ideas that Morita came up with for the 2nd half of the anime. A lot of this makes no sense at all, such as:

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I am happy for the two divergences from the anime though:

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It will mean the manga will stil have a different outcome, though I think some of it has become predictable.

On a sidenote, it also makes Maya's role in Bokurano Alternative pretty darn obvious as well.

kuruzen · 2008-01-22, 20:02

Oh, durnit. That's sort of what I had been thinking. I still hope Kitoh throws another punch at us in an actually, not-Morita-designed plot twist... One more, maybe just one more difference from the anime's ending (aside the Kana/Jun mess there), I may be satisfied.

But if it ends up being the exact... same ... thing... (I've made my point clear on this already, though, haven't I...)

Still keeping fingers crossed for next chapter's potential awesomeness?

Iriliane · 2008-01-22, 20:43

I'm kind of disappointed that so many of you are jumping to the conclusion that Kitoh is stealing elements from the anime just because it came out first. Need I remind you that Kitoh explained the details of what was going to happen to Morita and Morita's distaste for certain elements (like perhaps Kana being contracted) led to the divergence of the anime. Numerous things like Machi's brother have been hinted at since long ago. Everything I've seen so far from the series leads me to believe that Kitoh either has had all or most of the story planned out from the beggining. Just because the anime came out and used some elements before they appeared in the manga doesn't mean that Kitoh's started stealing other people's ideas.

Also, the Tanaka-Ushiro relationship while unlikely isn't exactly an uncommon plot device ("Luke I am your father." anybody?).

2007-11-28, 00:33	Link #401
Diedrupo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003	You know, the more I reread chapter 48, the more I realize that there's that dreaded possibility that a lot of ideas presented in the anime in fact originated from Kitoh, and that he may have simply given these ideas to the anime director so he had an idea of what to deal with for the 2nd half of the story. I'm starting to think that Spoiler: Machi definately has some kind of connection with Dungbeetle, as hinted by Kanji during his storyline, and also from the long conversation she has with Dungbeetle in this chapter. THANKFULLY she doesn't address him as her brother or anything, they use a lot of 'teme' and 'anta' when addressing each other, so its still a very casual relationship... That and the revelation that Kana and Jun aren't true siblings, which we all speculated before the anime revealed it anyway, so I guess that's no big deal. Although now, i'm worried about Tanaka's prior connection with Jun's father, because seriously, Tanaka being Jun's mother is the stupidest idea ever.

2007-12-06, 08:04	Link #406
Iriliane Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada	Cover for volume 4 of alternative is out. From the cover, it looks like the pilots this time will be Kana, Maria and Komo leaving only Jun, Kanji and Maya for the fifth and presumably final volume. Going by the summary on the Gagaga Bunko website it seems this volume centers around the American government threatening to indiscriminantly nuke Tokyo should things with Zearth (Yes, it was finally named by Anko at the end of Volume 3) not wrap up soon. Last edited by Iriliane; 2007-12-06 at 08:37.

2007-12-26, 04:42	Link #409
Diedrupo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003	chapter 49 is out... i'll have impressions as soon as it's DLed. Impressions: Spoiler: A mostly boring chapter, involving dialogue between Tanaka and Ushiro's dad. A great scene is when Tanaka tells Ushiro's dad that Kana is going to die after she finishes piloting and he breaks down. A lot of things we already knew from the anime are revealed here, including Jun and Kana not being related, Tanaka being Jun's mom (a retarded revelation that i'm surprised Kitoh came up with), Dungbeetle chats with Sasami in the end, i'm not quite sure what they were talking about, will have to deep dive it tomorrow. Reading this chapter made me realize how stupid the anime was: namely why didn't Kokopelli say anything about Machi? He should have remembered her from their previous encounter. I'd also like to see how that is explained in the manga at some point. Machi is not in this chapter at all, though I am wondering why Sasami hasn't questioned Dungbeetle on her exclusion yet. Last edited by Diedrupo; 2007-12-26 at 05:41.

2008-01-16, 22:39	Link #413
kuruzen Anti-Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's dark in there.	ARGH new post. Reading what I could of moonspeak, in 48 Tanaka meets Ushiro's pappy. SO: Spoiler: It mentions something about 13 years. WAIT, how old is Jun? WAITWAITWAIT, NONONONONO, this can't be going in the anime's direction, right?! RIGHT?! I thought Morita said it was going to be different! Someone help me out a bit, please. My moonspeak skills are slim to nil, but when I come across something like this.. I get a little, well, pissed...

2008-01-17, 20:53	Link #415
kuruzen Anti-Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's dark in there.	Oh, noes. I'd been hoping for something else. LIEK Spoiler: they'd fight Jun's real momma in another robot. Or else it'd go all Eva on us and she'd be Zearth itself; I always thought Kana'd become a pilot, go batshit insane and try to kill her brother, and that she, her brother and Koemushi would be the only ones left. UHHH, I knew that wouldn't happen. But the story'd better get better than the anime's soon.... I was sickened by the ending, really... though it was okay it was far too expected. I'll be damned angry if he pulls that ending. That'd be awful. ESPECIALLY for Kitoh. Nertz.

2007-12-06, 10:10	Link #407
Iriliane Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada	Volume 3 Scans Character Portraits (In pilot suits this time) : http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55...rnative3-1.png(Komo, Tsubasa, Chizu, Anko, Mako, Kana, Kozue and Maria) http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55...rnative3-2.png(Kanji, Jun, Kako, Waku, Kodama and Kirie) http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55...rnative3-3.png(Maya and Koemushi) Illustrations: http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55...rnative3-4.png(Kodama) http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55...rnative3-5.png(Daichi Cameo) http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55...rnative3-6.png(Mako dressed up) http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55...rnative3-7.png(Graveyard) http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55...rnative3-8.png(Zearth VS Zearth) http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55...rnative3-9.png http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55...native3-10.png(Anko and an Enemy Robot)

2007-12-14, 16:39	Link #408
Memory Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007	Hi i'm new ^_^ Sorry for my english but i don't speak much (i'm italian). I have a question. Where can i find bokurano ch 46, 47, 47-2? I haven't winny. Thank you very much ^_^

2007-12-26, 08:55	Link #410
Chao Otaku Member Join Date: Mar 2004	Ehh... Can't really say I didn't see this coming. Though, I'm going to wait before I decide whether I like it or not. Kitoh's a much better writer than the guys they had doing the anime and I could see him pulling this off a lot better than they did.

2008-01-09, 19:55	Link #412
kuruzen Anti-Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's dark in there.	...soooooo... any new anything, discussions, comments, concerns? Any news on the differences of alternative? My curiousness is quite piqued, so I may just have to run and get it myself. Oh, darn. Still hoping for the manga to get back in the swing of things; if it ends like the anime I may just have to beat someone... or not. :/ But I'll be a bit irked by it.

2008-01-19, 21:29	Link #416
stpehen kisses for all Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ぶちゅー！ Age: 40	MS has finally managed to deliver Rosemary's baby in the form of chapters 44, 45, 46, 47 and 47-2. http://www.mangascreener.com

2008-01-21, 22:14	Link #417
kuruzen Anti-Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's dark in there.	Oh, hurray. ...and it's only a matter of days until the next potentially awesome/failing chapter! Brace for impact, everyone!

2008-01-22, 02:09	Link #418
Diedrupo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003	Personally, I think Kitoh decided to use the ideas that Morita came up with for the 2nd half of the anime. A lot of this makes no sense at all, such as: Spoiler: - why Kokopelli/Garaku would pretend to not know Machi. This wasn't explained in the anime either. - Machi's father on TV - Tanaka as Ushiro's mom. It was retarded in the anime and equally retarded in the manga. It's an incredibly unbelievable and improbable occurrence that Ushiro and his mother would magically meet because of this game. I am happy for the two divergences from the anime though: Spoiler: -Seki's death -Kana as a pilot It will mean the manga will stil have a different outcome, though I think some of it has become predictable. On a sidenote, it also makes Maya's role in Bokurano Alternative pretty darn obvious as well.

2008-01-22, 20:02	Link #419
kuruzen Anti-Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's dark in there.	Oh, durnit. That's sort of what I had been thinking. I still hope Kitoh throws another punch at us in an actually, not-Morita-designed plot twist... One more, maybe just one more difference from the anime's ending (aside the Kana/Jun mess there), I may be satisfied. But if it ends up being the exact... same ... thing... (I've made my point clear on this already, though, haven't I...) Still keeping fingers crossed for next chapter's potential awesomeness?

2008-01-22, 20:43	Link #420
Iriliane Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada	I'm kind of disappointed that so many of you are jumping to the conclusion that Kitoh is stealing elements from the anime just because it came out first. Need I remind you that Kitoh explained the details of what was going to happen to Morita and Morita's distaste for certain elements (like perhaps Kana being contracted) led to the divergence of the anime. Numerous things like Machi's brother have been hinted at since long ago. Everything I've seen so far from the series leads me to believe that Kitoh either has had all or most of the story planned out from the beggining. Just because the anime came out and used some elements before they appeared in the manga doesn't mean that Kitoh's started stealing other people's ideas. Also, the Tanaka-Ushiro relationship while unlikely isn't exactly an uncommon plot device ("Luke I am your father." anybody?).