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10: Amazing... | 19 | 36.54% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 9 | 17.31% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 15 | 28.85% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 6 | 11.54% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 2 | 3.85% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 1 | 1.92% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-06-04, 23:19 | Link #103 |
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If he doesn't soon, he might lose his chance because Fram has a rather short life expectancy.
Btw do we know he is a virgin still? I assume after waking up from cold sleep, he'd be two things: hungry and horny..... It'd be rather cruel of Ezelcant not to provide on his trusted lieutenants/pawns some female companionship
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2012-06-05, 01:57 | Link #104 | |
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You'd think after all these years though that they would have dozens of different suits set up for Zeheart. Didn't think after all this time we'd have him once again complaining about a suit not being able to keep up with him.
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2012-06-05, 02:00 | Link #105 |
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Well, Zeydra and Ghirarga were one-off models that were designed with Zeheart as its pilot in mind. The Wrozzo, on the other hand, is a mass-production model and they likely couldn't customize it to fully compensate for Zeheart's capabilities--same with the Zedas R. They tried, but failed. Situationally, the Wrozzo was better-suited for that battle than the Ghirarga was, hence why Zeheart was using an inferior mobile suit.
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2012-06-05, 11:50 | Link #107 | |
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(1.) End of Gen 2: Zeheart has his panties in a bunch that he can't rely on his crutch to just win. If you remember when Gen 2 started, he nearly got his head cut off by Asemu in a relic out of the barn and was saved purely because of said crutch (he nearly got headshot in his upgraded suit by the AGE-2, and again was saved by his magic powers). No matter how you shake it, Asemu was presented as more talented as a pilot (fighting a trained military combatant and pilot with NO training military or real piloting background), the most talented in the whole series probably, he just doesn't have magic brain powers. (2.) Flit was capable of holding back Zeheart with a 30+ year old machine while the latter was in his updated red-thing, the name of which escapes me. Flit was talented as a pilot but he was presented to be fairly close to Woolf in terms of pure piloting skills but, unlike Woolf, had magic brain powers. (3.) In Gen 3 the brain magic vs. brain magic fights of Kio vs. Zeheart were fairly even, the Ghirarga did not appear to have any over the top advantage over a kid who was piloting for the first time. The Wrozzo was fighting an angry and very much reckless Kio but managed to draw out a stalemate. As of so far, there's no overly large gap established between Kio and Zeheart. Now, in Gen 3 when Asemu reappears, he's completely toying with his son. He doesn't do anything but dodge and kick, he could have shredded Kio and the AGE-3 if he were out for blood. Think about the circumstances of the fights he's also had, he and a small group of suits have been taking out what are likely heavily armed and manned military vessels. (Took out SID...) As of this episode even the Bisidian grunts are presented as far more skilled than the Diva grunts. They could have over represented it and we might get a worf effect with Asemu, but as it stands I don't there's much of a contest.
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2012-06-05, 18:04 | Link #111 | ||||
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The Wrozzo vs Fortress fight was not a stalemate, Zeheart's mobile suit clearly wasn't up to the task because it's performance was lacking. It lacked firepower, and response time. Had it given out before Kio left Zeheart would've lost and it was all because of the machine, not the pilot. Quote:
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I equated Flit to Woolf because that lets us indirectly compare Flit to Asemu, though Woolf. Quote:
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Gundam has always had pilots who are beyond good in piloting but have no magic powers. And the rest of what you said is silly.
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2012-06-05, 19:20 | Link #113 | |
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The AGE-1 is superior to the Zedas and Zedas-R. The latter just received small upgrades to x-rounder compatibility, that's it. For someone who claims to have watched the show, your memory of certain events, particularly those that contradict your opinions, is rather lacking. The Zedas-R was upgraded AFTER Zeheart left the colony, and even then it still couldn't keep up with his reaction speed, not to mention it broke down during its test . So yes, it was inferior to the AGE-1 because the AGE-1 never had any of those problems when Flit used, and Flit is shown to be a high level x-rounder, perhaps not as strong as Zeheart but pretty damn close.
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2012-06-05, 19:52 | Link #114 | |
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Zedas-R, in being a custom model, was certainly built and upgraded to match Zeheart's abilities long before its debut. What it receives later are further modifications. Otherwise, why make it a point of giving him a specialized machine? It means its built to match him. It was later upgraded to match his ever increasing abilities. I'm actually checking each episode I reference as I write, but whatever.
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2012-06-05, 20:48 | Link #115 |
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The Zedas-R was not built to match Zeheart's ability. You might want to reference episode 20, specifically the conversation between Zeheart and Daz, right after he damages the Zedas-R testing its upgrade. He says no mobile suit has ever been able to keep up with him, and even with a partial upgrade the Zedas-R is still not sufficient. Daz says to wait until the ZEYDRA is finished. That's because the Zeydra is the mobile suit that's actually built and tuned specifically for Zeheart. All the Zedas-R is, is a Zedas with increaased X-Rounder functionality. It was never specifically designed for Zeheart.
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2012-06-05, 20:56 | Link #116 |
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Keep in mind what the Zedas is--it, like the Gafran, the Baqto, the Dorado, the Wrozzo--a mass production model mobile suit. One intended for X-Rounders, if we take into account every single character who piloted one was an X-Rounder. But still a mass-production model nonetheless. The extent of its tuning for specific people would be limited, like the Wrozzo.
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2012-06-05, 21:16 | Link #117 | |
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At the end of the day, the Zedas-R, slow and standard issue as it may be, was tuned/built specifically for Zeheart. The AGE-1 was built for Flit by Flit and evolved over years of use by Flit to match him. It was never built, upgraded, or customized to match Asemu's fighting style (as he'd be far more suited for the Spallow configuration, not the Normal). This is what you have: Zeheart: -Trained military pilot since youth. -Magic powers -Custom unit to at least accentuate some of his strengths. vs. Asemu: -A civilian with no prior training. -No magic powers. -In a unit that neither compliments his fighting style nor one even remotely built with him in mind. -Normal < Zedas < Spallow as of Gen-1's conclusion. And yet, in Ep. 18, you have Mr. Trained Service Military Man getting out paced by a kid who picked up the Gundam for the third time in his life. I don't see how, without magic powers, one can claim that Zeheart is better than Asemu. @Rising, remember that by the time of Gen-2 the AGE-1 is effectively also a mass produced unit, though of better build quality since it was specifically built to be the best it could at the time. The Adelle's are likely not much worse than the AGE-1 as they are based on it but they get trashed by the Zedas. The Zedas was a one of a kind in Gen-1 and Zedas-M is an extension of it, it also becomes mass produced by Gen-2 as we see it in the hands of the M8.
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2012-06-05, 23:30 | Link #118 |
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Again, the Zeydra is the only mobile suit that's actually built and fine tuned specifically for Zeheart. The Zedas platform is, despite whatever small cosmetic mods, a mass produced grunt suit.
Flit is almost as strong of an X-Rounder as Zeheart, and he has no problems keeping up with the Zeydra in AGE-1. Mind you that the AGE-1 doesn't have have any issues keeping up with Flit's abilities and it never breaks like the Zedas-R. That right there proves that the upgraded AGE-1 is superior to the Zedas-R. It doesn't matter if AGE-1 isn't tuned to Asemu, it's still a high performance machine that simply outmuscles the Zedas
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2012-06-06, 00:15 | Link #119 | ||
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And, correct me if I'm wrong, but a total of nine Zedas (and the original, so ten in total) =/= mass produced. Quote:
You must compare AGE-1 Normal, pre-Flat, to Zedas-R Standard, in which case there is no clear distinction between the machines aside from what we have in Gen-1 that Spallow >= Zedas >= AGE-1 Normal. Like I said, the AGE-1 and the Zedas-R are upgrades on the originals but as of Gen-1 Spallow >= Zedas >= Normal, and all of this still skirts the issue that Asemu was an untrained civilian, piloting for the third time in his life, fighting a trained militant. The simple fact that the former is true and that Asemu could push back Zeheart, is telling.
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2012-06-06, 00:34 | Link #120 |
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I wouldn't say Asem was untrained. He did pilot other mobile suits in combat situations thanks to his school. Sure, inexperienced in actual military combat but by that third battle he knew what he was doing. Hell, thanks to the Zedas R's reaction time to Zeheart, he almost won that fight.
Where exactly was it said that the FLAT was given considerable upgrades, anyway? We only know it was given equipment to help Flit command in battle, and made so that it didn't need the AGE System to activate. Far as I know, there wasn't any actual combat upgrades installed to the FLAT during its conversion process. It's improvements had come from the AGE System beforehand.
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