Vivid Strike! - Episode 1 Discussion / Poll

[AlHollow]

About Einhart and Rinne rating positions.

Right you are, guys. At character page is clearly written, that Rinne has recent No.1 rank U-15 and aims for the throne of Einhart, the reigning champion. We can strongly presume, that this "world championship" is local Mid-Childian title and isn't related to Inter-Dimensional tournament, where Zig and other primes would obviously dominate.

[Laevatein]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Regardless...ouch. Talk about a brutal introduction to the main cast. Getting systematically beaten to a pulp by all of them .

Everyone wants to befriend her!

[Benigmatica]

It feels weird that ViVid Strike! is a pseudo-sequel to Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid. I mean, I think Seven Arcs might have adapted some later chapters for this spin-off.

With that said, it's great that Fuuka learned one of Einhart's techniques to land a devastating blow against Vivio-chan, although it's a long way to go before confronting her childhood friend Rinne.

[novalysis]

I have a theory that this show is going to go into darker places than we think, with call-backs to previous ideas, themes and plot-threads in the Nanoha-verse. I have a suspicion that Rinne and/or Fuuka may well be actually victims of illegal black artificial-mage projects abandoned after the aftermath of the JS Incident while very, very young, and hence being sent to orphanages. Also, Fuuka intuitively using magic from a very young age to enhance her physical capabilities may not be a simple accident of nature, unlike Nanoha - this is presuming of course, that's what Fuuka did in that opening scene.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Rinne happens to parallel an Erio Mondiall in reverse - a project Fate Clone taken from a stolen genetic sample of a rather powerful Mage who later married upwards. Later on, said Mage managed to learn that she was cloned without her consent, and tracked down the clone to an orphanage. At least, I think something as earth-shattering and of the magnitude of learning that you were a clone meant to be a more powerful version of an original and adopted by the original might be needed explain why Rinne took a 360 degree shift in personality. She's certainly seems to be the "Fate" parallel to Fuuka's "Nanoha."

Finally, Fuuka bitterly telling Einhart that aristocrats like Einhart cannot understand the struggles of the commoners hints at an interesting and very substantial socio-economic divide in Mid-Childa. I also suspect that the troubles that Fuuka seems to have with the seedier side of Mid-Childa may well have attracted the attention of certain people in the TSAB we know are linked closely to the Vivid plot. If this is the case, I wonder where Einhart's intelligence on Fuuka's situation is coming from. And I wouldn't be surprised that Einhart understands the seedier side of Mid Childa that Fuuka experienced, more than Fuuka thinks. I get the feeling we might finally get answers about Einhart's personal background and immediate family history that the Vivid Manga never went into.

These are just some theories and observations, but I am very skeptical that Vivid Strike is going to play the magical girl nor fighting shounen genre straight, nor is the case of Rinne merely a girl changing because she was adopted into a wealthy family. I'd definitely be watching this show closely.

[FlareKnight]

I'm curious to see where things go with the story. They could simply have Fuuka and Rinne be just inherently gifted magic users like Nanoha. There are bound to be a few prodigies in that society that slip through the cracks.

Although being orphans does create the possibility of any kind of background the story wants. At the very least it shows that the rich/poor divide really does exist in all sorts of societies. They have explored how things aren't perfect in this society anyways from StrikerS and the Sound Stages. Not everything gets seen or reported. Thus you had that first flashback with Fuuka getting into a brawl with those guys.

It does create some possibilities as to why Rinne pushed Fuuka away (with her fists ). That she learned something or changed in some way and wanted to keep Fuuka from learning about it. Even if it meant shattering their relationship in the process.

The great thing is that they have a lot of flexibility for this show. They could play it pretty straight in terms of a sports/fighting series with magic thrown into the mix. It could go rather dark if they wanted as well. Or it could be a nice mix that just makes notes of the unsavory side of Mid-society.

Originally Posted by Laevatein

Everyone wants to befriend her!

It really is the Nanoha style. Friendship by beating the stuffing out of someone . The tactic made sense of course. In order to get Fuuka to accept the benefits of learning a fighting style, she had to see how far behind she was. That just raw potential doesn't do much against those who have potential and a framework/style to draw that out.

Clearly the only way for Fuuka to clear things up with Rinne is also by beating her into the ground . Although losing a fight to her didn't help their friendship...

[Requiem-x]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

It really is the Nanoha style. Friendship by beating the stuffing out of someone .

Clearly the only way for Fuka to clear things up with Rinne is also by beating her into the ground . Although losing a fight to her didn't help their friendship...

But this time the protagonist is on the receiver side

The principle of Nanoha style befriending is to show your honest feelings through fighting. Rinne beat up Fuka because she couldn't be honest with her.

[AlHollow]

Rinne beat up Fuka because she couldn't be honest with her.

Fate did likewise during their first encounter with Nanoha.

[B214]

They need to take lessons directly from Nanoha, fist won't work as well as bombardment. You need to Starlight Breaker the person thoroughly.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by B214

They need to take lessons directly from Nanoha, fist won't work as well as bombardment. You need to Starlight Breaker the person thoroughly.

And yet it was a highly effective fistfight that allowed Einhart to become the softer, smiling girl she is today, instead of the colder, sadder girl who was lost in someone else's past that we saw in Vivid.

[chaos_animagic]

Originally Posted by B214

They need to take lessons directly from Nanoha, fist won't work as well as bombardment. You need to Starlight Breaker the person thoroughly.

If you want to be friends, you gotta BEFRIEND.

It's the Nanoha way.

[B214]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

And yet it was a highly effective fistfight that allowed Einhart to become the softer, smiling girl she is today, instead of the colder, sadder girl who was lost in someone else's past that we saw in Vivid.

Because the poor girl fought against Nanoha in a mock battle before, she even got a chance to see a double Starlight Breaker courtesy of Teana and Nanoha.

[novalysis]

I wonder, did Rinne fist fight Fuuka, or did poor Fuuka got herself beamspammed even before she could get into melee range? Because if Lutecia Alpine is any indication, flying up and beamspamming your opponent to a KO is a legit tactic in Strike Arts, though rare because flying mages are rare in the Nanoha-verse.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by novalysis

I wonder, did Rinne fist fight Fuuka, or did poor Fuuka got herself beamspammed even before she could get into melee range? Because if Lutecia Alpine is any indication, flying up and beamspamming your opponent to a KO is a legit tactic in Strike Arts, though rare because flying mages are rare in the Nanoha-verse.

Judging from the OP, both of them are hand-to-hand specialists. Also, people who fight mostly using ranged magic tend to be called pure mages rather than martial artists.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by novalysis

I wonder, did Rinne fist fight Fuuka, or did poor Fuuka got herself beamspammed even before she could get into melee range? Because if Lutecia Alpine is any indication, flying up and beamspamming your opponent to a KO is a legit tactic in Strike Arts, though rare because flying mages are rare in the Nanoha-verse.

Since it looks like they fought in a parking garage...I think Rinne just punched her down. Kind of looks like she took some punches to the face from that closeup. Though who knows, she was kind of scratched up all over.

I'd be impressed though if Fuuka was able to take a few shots before she went down considering the skill gap that must have existed.

[novalysis]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Since it looks like they fought in a parking garage...I think Rinne just punched her down. Kind of looks like she took some punches to the face from that closeup. Though who knows, she was kind of scratched up all over.

I'd be impressed though if Fuuka was able to take a few shots before she went down considering the skill gap that must have existed.

Well, Rinne might have been going easy on Fuuka, and allowing those few shots to get in deliberately, so as to soften the blow she no doubt knew the fight would take on Fuuka's pride. I suspect she never actually imagine that Fuuka would be left in tears after that battle.

I also just realized something: this is a magical girl show. With a protagonist who is a street-rat of an orphan, a likely school drop-out, who gets into routine and regular fights with gangs in seedy places, and set in a world where magic is the foundation of the civilization she lives in. That in itself is a very interesting premise - I don't recall any magical girl protagonists getting into gang fights in seedy dockyards before her "call".

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by novalysis

Well, Rinne might have been going easy on Fuuka

I doubt it. Fuka looked pretty beat up in the flashback.

[BWTraveller]

I didn't see any evidence of Rinne having taken even one hit from the closeup personally, so I get the feeling the fight was completely one-sided. But yeah, I'm really interested too to know just what made that shy, sweet girl decide to harden her heart like that, especially since they show that she isn't completely gone.

Also, is it just me or has Nove shrunk?

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by novalysis

Well, Rinne might have been going easy on Fuuka, and allowing those few shots to get in deliberately, so as to soften the blow she no doubt knew the fight would take on Fuuka's pride. I suspect she never actually imagine that Fuuka would be left in tears after that battle.

I also just realized something: this is a magical girl show. With a protagonist who is a street-rat of an orphan, a likely school drop-out, who gets into routine and regular fights with gangs in seedy places, and set in a world where magic is the foundation of the civilization she lives in. That in itself is a very interesting premise - I don't recall any magical girl protagonists getting into gang fights in seedy dockyards before her "call".

Somehow I'd be surprised if she took even a punch. Rinne looked pretty clean after that fight. I mean she probably held back to a degree which is why Fuka could walk out of there and not require hospitalization. Just used enough force to win decisively.

They have gone an interesting route here. Certainly Fuka isn't the standard type of magical girl lead. More like a girl who happens to use magic . I'm kind of curious to see them explore Fuka's situation a bit more. Having left her orphanage, working jobs like construction and getting into street fights. Somewhat curious how long its been since she left school and the orphanage. Maybe not the first job she's lost due to getting into fights.

[MeoTwister5]

I'm still on the fence with whether I'll watch this series since... well I eventually got bored to death with the Vivid manga and adaptation...

[Gx Hero]

is it just me or did einhearts and noves personality's are not what they should be like they are more fluffy than before even if einheart changed.

Also isn't the person that she lost to in the martial arts tornament the little girl she stood up for and lost a tooth for.