2013-04-16, 09:49 | Link #27501 |
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Drawing attention away from speculations about the perpetrator, I would like to point out the various kindness that have arisen since the attack. A simple line such as " I have a place to offer" serves as an encouragement to the victims that they are not alone in this terrible ordeal. I read of how a man who lives in Hopkinton "would happily drive anywhere to pick up a runner who needs food, shelter and comfort", as well as a person who offers "space for one person on a pull-out couch" and "will cook you a nice meal too!" (source: Yahoo news).
The atrocity committed by the culprit is unspeakable, but the random kindness offered by strangers is very reassuring and acts as a reminder that people will come together in a crisis. As a certain saying goes, the worst of humanity brings out the best of humanity. |
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But civilian casualties are not the same thing as terrorism that deliberately targets innocent people and the fact that you even try to compare them is a bit ridiculous. Just because I am saying civilian casualties and terrorism are not the same thing does not mean I am saying the US is above criticism in these type of situations.
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2013-04-16, 10:14 | Link #27503 | |||
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http://www.policymic.com/articles/20...pakistan-alone http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com...-and-funerals/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2734133.html http://rt.com/usa/drone-strike-obama-casualties-604/ In the last source in particular: The White House convinces itself that the Obama-ordered air strikes overseas have not killed many civilians because, according to the president, any and all men near around a drone target are considered enemies of America and can be executed without being added to the count of civilian casualties. "It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent," is how the Times report it. "Counterterrorism officials insist this approach is one of simple logic: people in an area of known terrorist activity, or found with a top Qaeda operative, are probably up to no good." Quote:
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2013-04-16, 11:34 | Link #27505 |
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That is just wordplay. What I meant was if bombing a wedding party to get 1 person is ok even if 99 innocent dies, why is bombing a marathon evil? So if we had 1 CIA agent there as a supposed "target", then this event would not be evil?
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2013-04-16, 11:52 | Link #27507 |
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That assuming they were aiming for the wedding, or even a guy at the wedding. Military hardware does sometimes miss the intended target. Not sure how many iron dumb bombs the US used in the early part of the 21st century, but those are highly inaccurate.
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2013-04-16, 12:02 | Link #27508 | |
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Read the source above, ok, it was not 14, I did put(?) because I can't recall the source (I think I heard it as a joke from the Colbert Report?), but "military age-males" and not every military can afford to recruit at 18, so you could indeed be a teen, get blown to smithereens, then get added to the "terror kill" and not a "collateral damage" list. (I am sure either way, the mother of the bereaved would not be comforted)
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2013-04-16, 12:10 | Link #27510 |
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Only two bombs found in Boston Marathon attack
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93F06T20130416 Venezuela post-vote violence kills seven, more protests start http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93F0RU20130416
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2013-04-16, 12:18 | Link #27511 | |
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wait a second.... You realize that argument is so broad open to mass killings of civilians at will right? And "potential" combatants isn't a free license for a shoot them all. Also... Furthermore.... If you want pull verbal BS further, Pakistan and Yemen isn't at war with the US. What counterinsurgency???? America isn't even occupying their land! |
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2013-04-16, 12:23 | Link #27512 | |
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2013-04-16, 12:47 | Link #27513 | |
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http://www.latimes.com/news/world/wo...,6644610.story "NATO's International Security Assistance Force said it was investigating the airstrike and couldn’t immediately confirm reports that a large number of children were killed. "We are still assessing the situation," said John Manley, an ISAF spokesperson. "We’re aware of the allegations that civilians died. We take these seriously.""" I hear this all too often, and its just not true. Do people think going to war justifies killing civilians more than terrorism does? |
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2013-04-16, 12:55 | Link #27515 |
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Sure, I agree with you, war is a dirty business, and its only logical that civilians will end up getting killed. The 'terrorists' clearly agree with you 100% too. Lets stop calling them terrorists and start calling them 'Islamic nation special task force'. So what is this, because they've already had most of their country destroyed its alright to slaughter a few more of them? Its not alright to kill people in our country because were stronger? Anyways, not really the point. The point is bomb-blasts and innocents dying happens everywhere in the world, but no one gives two shits about most of those people - A good example - Look at the tibetans setting themselves on fire, sure it created a bit of a hoo-ha but it took like a week before people completely forgot. Or the tens of thousands of tamils who were slaughtered in Sri Lanka just a couple of years ago.
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2013-04-16, 13:05 | Link #27516 | |
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I wouldn't use the term "dirty" business, rather, I would use the term "messy" business because it takes alot of training, doctrines, re-evaluation of SOPs and established protocols. Oh yes and your trainees will have to expend more rounds in those mockups again and again until it becomes their second nature, from which they go for other training, lose that feel, then refresher after refresher........ That is a hell lot of money someone can make providing those services - ask anyone here who served in any military and have training in asymmetric warfare about how much more is the total cost of the gear each of them carry, as compared to the insurgents they are fighting. I believe even with the simplest SMG/rifle + pistol + body armor + OC spray/taser + laser pointer + handcuffs gear, we can arm 3-4 insurgents with crummy rifles and up to 90 rounds each.
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2013-04-16, 13:21 | Link #27517 |
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The date for our withdrawel from Afghanistan has already been set.
There is no plan anymore, other than 'pack up our things end get them out in time'. We have no goals left, that we could achieve within this time. Still, the bombing keeps going on. Whatever purpose it had in the beginning, now it's just a useless routine. In about two years, we will have left the place and nothing we do now will have any impact on what happens afterwards. Only the people we kill up till that last day will still be dead. I find it stupid to relativate bombings with other bombings. But to say that our operation in Afghanistan is in any way justified, is just strange. |
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Bomb Details Emerge in Boston Inquiry
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