(CR) Grancrest Senki (Record of Grancrest War)

[Nachtwandler]

Originally Posted by Azurial

Is the anime 24 episode right? But why do i feel like is gonna end in 12 or 13 episode lol.

Still waiting for a Theo vs Milza rematch XD

They only adapted half of the books for now. There are a lot more things to show.

[LG-MAX 2.o]

It's only sensitive in the west if you make it sensitive. Historically speaking, what Marine did isn't strange.

Well, the fans being like this is not odd. It's like people who get mad at MC's for not having any romantic interest in girls who are throwing themselves at him, as in "why do you not satisfy me and allow me to self insert"? People just take this too personal.

historically this is common, seduction and sex were weapons of several women to get what they wanted, Cleopatra went down in history for this. But today this feature needs to be carefully worked to not offend anyone, recently in Justice League there have even been complaints about some closes with Wonder Woman.

Speaking of the episode, it was confirmed that it will be 24 ep in total, how many books correspond to the series and it already finished?

[Firefly00]

Originally Posted by LG-MAX 2.o

historically this is common, seduction and sex were weapons of several women to get what they wanted, Cleopatra went down in history for this. But today this feature needs to be carefully worked to not offend anyone, recently in Justice League there have even been complaints about some closes with Wonder Woman.

Indeed, sir. I suspect those who would be offended by the depiction of such tactics may not even be aware that they do have historical precedent. And so that saying about history and repetition comes to mind.

On another note, the talk about Chaos being a 'faction' puts me in mind of a certain pair of long-running franchises...

[MgMaster]

Grandcrest Senki sure likes to romanticize things, like how the whole castle seemed to be more on the fancy side and less of a fortress. To that end, there’s a lot of questionable tactical & strategical decisions involved. Like how in what I hear is a densely populated world, no one seems to be competent or at least attempt some attrition strategies, which would be great here as short distances means reinforcements arrive fast. Or how Edokia & her Palace of Sea ship just seemed to move towards the enemy fleet instead of trying to keep it’s distance for as long as it can to do as much damage as it can as it clearly outranged ‘em with ‘dem huge cannons and THEN detonate as that nordic fleet would inevitably catch up. We could’ve arrived at the same outcomes for everyone involved, but it’d feel like the defeated ones did their best.

HOWEVER, when it comes down to actually executing these events, this anime is pretty damn good at it and manages to make the deaths, the goodbye kisses look so grandiose.

Also, I think it was fairly in-character for Villar to go out like this, (in a rather beautiful manner as he’d prolly’ put it) rather than clinging on to his life & subjects for as long as possible – it fits a part of him, albeit also comes out as a more willingly incompetent side of him that we didn’t see early on. After all, we did start off the ep with Margaret asking “How shall we loose?”

[wuhugm]

^Yo, didn't you see that Ship Palace explode like freaking nuke? If it stayed there, the harbor would be destroyed as well

[Skaddix]

How is it going to kite when its stuck in the harbor?

[Panzercracker]

Originally Posted by Nachtwandler

They only adapted half of the books for now. There are a lot more things to show.

They also cut over half they should to show. They rush in bloody hell speed.

[MgMaster]

Oh snap, that brief moment when it was actually leaving the harbor somehow escaped me, lol It wasn't shown it reaching the harbor last ep and assumed it'd instead stay out at sea for the entire battle. That might ve been a better idea too actually instead of cornering itself(like, I don't think it'd need to resupply THAT soon). Then again, that would assume they'd knew that huge nordic fleet would show up. But mistakes have been made and I guess both Edokia & Villar don't seem like the types made for war anyway ~ they aren't either cautious or ruthless enough.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by MgMaster

Oh snap, that brief moment when it was actually leaving the harbor somehow escaped me, lol It wasn't shown it reaching the harbor last ep and assumed it'd instead stay out at sea for the entire battle. That might ve been a better idea too actually instead of cornering itself(like, I don't think it'd need to resupply THAT soon). Then again, that would assume they'd knew that huge nordic fleet would show up. But mistakes have been made and I guess both Edokia & Villar don't seem like the types made for war anyway ~ they aren't either cautious or ruthless enough.

It was a defensive battle to guard Unicorn Castle. That constrained their tactics.

[AC-Phoenix]

Oh gosh... What a fucking weak castle defense was that?

Ok here is an imho far better tactic:
1) Screw the Vikings, let them land, Take on trench points and kill them.

2a) Let Marianne's army be good and advance, then blow the fucking bridge to smithereens.
That way only the Vikings can actually enter the castle and the entire army can focus on defeating them.

2b) As an alternative they could have broken through the siege, not fighting all of Marianne's soldiers at all but rather cut through them until they were at Marianne. A second wave of Castle guards would make sure they got a clear rear while Marianne, of who I am certain she'd be useless in battle, would be in serious danger with only Milzar as an effective way to defend herself.

3a)
Once the Bridge is down, no longer care for Marianne, supply the castle through the sea and wait for reinforcements from Teo and Lassic and the other Union Lords.

Also why the heck did no one throw oil on top of Marianne's soldiers?!

Next up is Marianne... srysly? Villar ran all the way to give his crest to HER and she just gives it to Milzar? the hell?

[kampfer91]

Yah , many thing wrong in this battle , mostly the tactic the defender use .

Especially sacrifice a damn sea fortress .

[Magewolf]

No drawbridges, no chains across the harbor, no defensive fighting whatsoever. As much as I got to like him Villar deserved to die for planning and carrying out that defensive abomination.

From the lay of the land we are shown Castle Unicorn was built in a fantastic location. A castle there should have been easily able to stand off any army with even a token defense force. The only practical way to win it would a siege and blockade to starve them out or betrayal from within.

[pervypig]

Originally Posted by Firefly00

On another note, the talk about Chaos being a 'faction' puts me in mind of a certain pair of long-running franchises...

Teh false Emperor's cronies must die!

I really thought that this is gonna be 12 ep at the rate things are going...

[Panzercracker]

Originally Posted by Magewolf

No drawbridges, no chains across the harbor, no defensive fighting whatsoever. As much as I got to like him Villar deserved to die for planning and carrying out that defensive abomination.

From the lay of the land we are shown Castle Unicorn was built in a fantastic location. A castle there should have been easily able to stand off any army with even a token defense force. The only practical way to win it would a siege and blockade to starve them out or betrayal from within.

But those tactics are not allow in the speed of this anime, so most likely they are cut off. Thus the last stand of Villar look like a joke instead a epic last stand.

[Norn]

Originally Posted by Magewolf

No drawbridges, no chains across the harbor, no defensive fighting whatsoever. As much as I got to like him Villar deserved to die for planning and carrying out that defensive abomination.

From the lay of the land we are shown Castle Unicorn was built in a fantastic location. A castle there should have been easily able to stand off any army with even a token defense force. The only practical way to win it would a siege and blockade to starve them out or betrayal from within.

The issue is that they're trying to romanticize all of it, so some things will look very bad. The thing that irked me the most was that girl with the glasses at the huge magnifying glass. At first I thought that the magnifying glass should've been able to amplify fire attribute magic, which would allow her to use long range attacks to burn some ships or guide them into unfavorable positions considering that the glasses girl is a bit of "I don't like battle" kind of person. And even then, I think there should've been something she could do to help turn the tides.

Speaking of glasses girl being a sort of pacifist, another thing I dislike is the lack of warlords in the Union. It's really strange that for a continent that's supposed to have been in war for so long, there's a real lack of people savvy in warfare, or even battle in general. You'd wonder why those guys have Crests to begin with. It gets even weirder when you think that the Union came into being when people banded together to oppose the Alliance, because that should've meant that they were at least capable of holding off the Alliance's attacks. I find the romanticized parts hurting the story when it comes to this aspect, they shouldn't be mutually exclusive.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Norn

The issue is that they're trying to romanticize all of it, so some things will look very bad. The thing that irked me the most was that girl with the glasses at the huge magnifying glass. At first I thought that the magnifying glass should've been able to amplify fire attribute magic, which would allow her to use long range attacks to burn some ships or guide them into unfavorable positions considering that the glasses girl is a bit of "I don't like battle" kind of person. And even then, I think there should've been something she could do to help turn the tides.

It's Archimedes' mirror, except it's magic and it works. Which is why they attacked at night.

[kampfer91]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

It's Archimedes' mirror, except it's magic and it works. Which is why they attacked at night.

Then they would have taken into account that the weapon is useless at night and should have back up plan for defending the beach front .

It is a common problem with fantasy castle , they looks beautiful but completely pointless when it come to defenses .

[Firefly00]

Originally Posted by Panzercracker

But those tactics are not allow in the speed of this anime, so most likely they are cut off. Thus the last stand of Villar look like a joke instead a epic last stand.

This comes back to something touched upon several pages back in the thread: the fact of the writers seeming to ignore the fact that 'haste makes waste' is a saying for a reason.

Originally Posted by Norn

The issue is that they're trying to romanticize all of it, so some things will look very bad...

I find the romanticized parts hurting the story when it comes to this aspect, they shouldn't be mutually exclusive.

Indeed, sir; that the writers think so seems to me a failure on their part. They also seem to fail to grasp that the achievements of Theo, Siluca, and company would be that much more meaningful in the face of competent adversaries... and yes, the Union shouldn't be so cringingly incompetent that our heroes end up doing all the heavy lifting. That's right, the advice conveyed by the Evil Overlord List isn't solely for, well, evil overlords...

To be fair, though, they might have calculated that the vast majority of the target audience won't engage in this level of analysis.

[Stark700]

We got a recap episode this week.

I'm hoping the second half will improve as I have some mixed feelings about the first half of this show so far.

[wuhugm]

Are there new scenes in the recap?