2012-05-24, 17:32 | Link #81 | |
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Ah ur right! Now I recall the scene where Hancock got warned not to breath, so Magellan does have the potential to upgrade his most horrendous attack. |
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2012-05-24, 18:13 | Link #83 | |
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2012-05-24, 18:14 | Link #84 | |
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I'm sure you would have also laughed if anyone had offered that Coby would learn haki back in the day. It doesn't hurt to open your mind to different perspectives.
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2012-05-24, 19:11 | Link #86 | |
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And hes stated in not uncertain terms that Mihawk is currently the strongest swordsman in the world. You know what this reminds me of? The debate about whether or not Whitebeard was actually the strongest man in the world..
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2012-05-24, 19:46 | Link #88 | ||
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(2) Using clear reasoning, explain why the second quotation displays a clear indication of a deficiency in cognitive reasoning. [10 marks] Quote:
2. There is a very pervasive effort seen almost universally today, piloted on the back of a series of (generally misused) buzzwords to get intelligent or above-average people to stop being exceptional and just shut up, and be "tolerant" and "accepting", and to instead place everyone on equal footing so as to let mediocre people feel less inadequate. I do not need to "open my mind" to something I have judged to be ludicrous. Additionally, I'm withdrawing myself from this sub-debate, citing an obvious mud-slinging trap that will lead nowhere.
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2012-05-24, 20:00 | Link #89 | |
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There is no Wano Arc, so any argument that uses the potential arc as evidence is completely invalid. |
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2012-05-24, 20:23 | Link #90 |
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Yes he is. There is no room for discussion on this matter.
However, it is entirely possible that there is a swordmaster in Wano that can hold his own against Mihawk, just like Vista in WB Pirates.
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2012-05-24, 20:50 | Link #91 |
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You think thy because Wano arc hasn't be shown yet. What tier do you put the 4 samurai before the straw hats went to punk hazard? Like I said if the strongest left the island which they would never do Mihawk wouldn't have his title. It's silly to think those 4 samurai aren't on Mihawks level.
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2012-05-24, 21:50 | Link #93 |
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lol, what's with this sudden argument comparing Mihawk to the Wano samurai? I mean, we haven't even seen many of those guys yet (I mean, the only one we've seen aside from Kinemon was a freaking zombie who emulated Brooke's fighting style). Aohige pretty much said what needed to be said on the matter, anyway. The last thing I'll add on this matter is that the people who question Mihawk's position are unfamiliar with a little something called "Occam's Razor"....
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2012-05-24, 22:34 | Link #95 | |
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To put it another way, Hyouzou was the greatest swordsman on Fishman Island, he had heen hyped for 100s of chapters, and even Luffy claimed he was powerful, yet he was defeated in less than a chapter. Being a big fish in a little pond means nothing. So, stop making assertions without any real facts. 2. You cannot deny Mihawk's title. It is a literal title Mihawk has earned through his years of being a swordsmen (and the title was even known in East Blue, the most backwater area of the world). To think he would accquire such a title without facing a known island of swordsmen is perposterous (especially considering how competitive Mihawk is). (Hell, for all we know, Mihawk is a Wano samurai.) We've been given no indication that Mihawk isn't the greatest. In fact we've been given every indication that he is the greatest. Additionally, why anyone would want to cheapen Zoro's dreams makes no sense to me. |
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2012-05-25, 00:26 | Link #96 | |
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The relationship between Mihawk and Zoro has changed considerably since they first met. At first, Zoro's goal was to simply dethrone Mihawk of the WSS title. After being separated from his comrades, Zoro swallowed his pride and desperately asked Mihawk to train him. They now share a student-mentor bond. With that being said, Zoro defeating Mihawk would feel somewhat cheapened since he didn't reach the top all by his own skills. Essentially, he's taken a short cut, and by the ultimate target he intends to dethrone. I feel that Zoro now needs something more fulfilling than simply defeating Mihawk. And if my suspicions are true, Shiliew outright defeating Mihawk would set a new bar/test for Zoro to overcome.
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2012-05-25, 00:36 | Link #97 |
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I don't think learning from the strongest in order to become stronger than him is at all cheapning.
But it may be the difference of way East and West precieve. 師を超える (going beyond the master) is a common concept not only in Japanese culture, but I'm pretty sure in Chinese as well.
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2012-05-25, 00:45 | Link #98 | |
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And before anyone brings it up, Zoro training under Mihawk is different than Luffy being under Rayleigh's tutelage. The difference is that Rayleigh is now retired and has stepped down for the new generation. He's not an obstacle Luffy must overcome.
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2012-05-25, 00:48 | Link #99 | |
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A pupil learning from a master to BEST that master, is NOT considered dishonorable, cheap, or any of that in Eastern culture. It's a pretty common theme actually. If you don't like it, well, the issue is not with OP, it's just your preference.
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2012-05-25, 00:53 | Link #100 |
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Actually, it's to each their own, my friend. I know of people emanating from Eastern culture that share my view on this. I perfectly understood what you said, and just stated my opinion on why I disagree with the matter. If you don't like it, well, the issue is with you.
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