Claymore Chapter 106

[OliverTwist]

I think Raki is going to end up being Miria's trump card to get out of the mess she just put herself in alive. It's too early for him to be used as a weapon for the MiB though.

At least this chapter sorta reinvigorated my interest in Claymore at least for one month.

[QS_Bilal]

Originally Posted by OliverTwist

I think Raki is going to end up being Miria's trump card to get out of the mess she just put herself in alive. It's too early for him to be used as a weapon for the MiB though.

At least this chapter sorta reinvigorated my interest in Claymore at least for one month.

Yea, Raki may end up aiding Miria if things go south for her when he arrives (probably around the same time as the Orgs Trump Card is shown/fighting Miria).

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by OliverTwist

I think Raki is going to end up being Miria's trump card to get out of the mess she just put herself in alive. It's too early for him to be used as a weapon for the MiB though.

At least this chapter sorta reinvigorated my interest in Claymore at least for one month.

I certainly hope so. This is likely the best case scenario... worst case being Miria dies or possibly worse yet Miria gets captured by the MiB and implanted with the extra rod from Raki. Either way it's very likely for good or ill Raki will play a role here.

[Joe_fh]

I wouldn't be surprised if Galatea, Clarice, Miata and Tabitha show up. I have no idea what they would be able to do against the MiBs trump cards but I don't think now that Miria made a move they'll stay put. After all right now everyone is doing something and they are just sitting there

[Negativedark]

Originally Posted by Ryus

I certainly hope so. This is likely the best case scenario... worst case being Miria dies or possibly worse yet Miria gets captured by the MiB and implanted with the extra rod from Raki. Either way it's very likely for good or ill Raki will play a role here.

That makes me wonder. Does the Destroyer still have any connection to the infected and the rods after they've been shot off? Also how good a trump card would that be? "Great going, we've just made her way more berserk and far more powerful, capable of shooting out infecting rods at us!" It just seems like they'd need at least some time for reasearch on the rods before they have anything usable.
I don't think the Shrimp Twins are even going to get names before bieng killed. They are just there to show that the Org has continued to persue that line of research. Their more along the lines of a plot device than actual charecters. Just there to remind us of the number one thing that keeps the Org dangerous. They keep coming up with new stuff.

[MalakTawus]

Spoiler for @Joe_fh:

Dauf was less hurt by the WC than Clare's pre-Pieta QS so it's not that good.

yes,but you have to consider that a normal warriors doesn't have dauf's skin,so if you are hit you are dead.

Her QS is on a different level compared to Irene's.

I never said differently,but since we know that Irene QS is 2 times Claire's Pieta QS (again,it's said CLEARLY!!!This is not a guessing.) we have a good idea on how crazy Irene's sword was.

If a No7 can see and counter a faster attack that pretty much means that a No3 a No2 and a No1 should be able to see something twice as fast.

No,infact you seem to forget that after Claire,Flora's sword was the fastest in the whole generation.Even the other normal low digit weren't as fast as her (Raph obviously is an exception).Not only Agatha couldn't counter Claire's WC,but even Miria during her fight with Claire was always on the offensive to avoid Claire to attack,and when finally Claire attacked Miria couldn't counter WC at all.If the WC is really so easy to counter for a n.3 or so,knowing that Miria is now a lot stronger than that she could have easily defeated Claire's WC like Raph did,but as we know that didn't happen.This means that WC is a really dangerous technique even for someone as strong as Miria.....so Audrey would be destroyed by Claire's WC,like Agatha.

Why would a No2 but so insanely more pwoerful than a No3? If this was the case than the previous statement that Irene's QS was two times stronger than Clare's in Pieta would be just plain funny. If such a power gap between two ranks exsisted that two times stronger QS wouldn't even be able to touch someone in the top 3 even if they aren't using yoki.

Could you explain this better?I can't really understand what this means,it makes no sense.Who are the top 3 that could counter a 2 times stronger QS?The only ones that can are probably Teresa and Prissy (well,and Claire...),no one else.


You absolutely don't understand what i said about the soul-link experiments.I'll try to be clearer.Every warrior has a certain potential,and when that warrior awakens and become an AB her potential increase A LOT.You follow?
The main point to the soul link research is to find a way to be able to control AB.
So when you say that it's useless to create warriors at AB level that are weaker than normal warriors it's absolutely wrong,'cause even if it's true that it's possible to find normal warriors like Miria that are stronger than a lot of AB,it's also true that those AB twins are surely stronger than what they would have been if normal warriors.
This means that after the soul-link is perfected the org could create an army of warriors capable of awakening,so like in the past there will be different results depending on the original potential of the twins,but what before could have been a normal n.3 (for example) now we have twins with the potential of an AWAKENED n.3,and when before there was a n.1 now we have twins at AO level.Do you see the enormous potential of the soul-link technique?
Like with normal warriors they didn't use only n.1 level claymores (cause they are really rare) it's quite logical to assume that when the s-l tech is perfected they'll use the same method,produce a lot of twins couples and see the results.

She is half awakened which means that her limit is higher than regular warriors and she can go past it again without awakening. It would basically give her the abiity to stand her ground agains an AO.

Claire is half awakened like Miria but we have seen that when she awakens (and it was just an incomplete awakening) her powers increase enormously.You could say that Claire is an exception (and she is....),but do you really belive that a fully awakened Miria would be only a little bit stronger than how she normally is when uses yoki?You are free to belive so,imo a fully awakened Miria would be A LOT stronger than that,even if the increase in power won't be as strong as Claire for obvious reasons (Teresa).

And I'm not at all sure why you brought up Prissy.

Prissy was only an example to show the great difference in powers before and after the awakening,nothing more,so the fact that she was fighting Teresa means nothing here.

Those two also demonstrated very good teamwork in their combined attack agains Riful and yet faced with Miria they didn't act as a team at all.

Aud and Rach were able to show their great teamwork only because Riful was playing with them.Riful said clearly that she could have defeated them in an instant (like Miria did) and we wouldn't have seen any teamwotrk at all,so their teamwork is absolutely useless if their opponent is too strong.

Actually a lot of ABs didn't participate in that war. Isley huge army was around 30 and Riful killed a couple of more when they didn't join her side. So saying that the rest of them were leftovers isn't at all correct when those with Isley weren't even that strong.

You are right here,but i said so 'cause the current n.9 (don't remember the name) while explained the situation to Clarice implied that only the weaker AB weren't called for war (so Isley's army were the best).Obviously there will be exception like Agatha,and that's why i said that GENERALLY those that didn't partecipate in the war were small fries.....

Or you want to tell me that fidning sisters that are AO level is easy?

No,of course isn't easy.What the hell,even finding normal n.1 isn't easy.
I simply meant that finding twins n.1 is even more difficult (a lot more difficult) than finding sisters n.1,or do you want to contest something so obvious?
I was simply contesting what you said:

It might be Ultra rare but from the number fo tries they did it 2/2 and now they made a third pair.

This is wrong 'cause Raph and Luc weren't twins and the new twins aren't AO level.So the 3 pair are in reality only one pair: Ali-Beth,no one else (that we know).
Anyway to find twins with n.1 potential you need a lot of luck.

[Dj0rel]

Originally Posted by Ryus

Your assuming someone actually ran the message. Many suspect it was done via a "torchlight method". Simply put have one claymore stand in sensing range of Isley if he dies she does a single power up and two if he survives. Then have another Claymore do the same thing but sensing the Claymore observing Isley. Repeat this process until word reaches the organization. Miria a non sensing type could sense a whole mountain range so this feet isn't hard to pull off... especially when detail isn't required but just the ability to sense yoki pulses.

I would have agreed with you if it was just the news about Isley's death. But there's more than that. At HQ they were also describing in great detail what they found about AB hunt that was led by Dietrich. That can't be done via a "torchlight method" and before you go there, there's a good reason why Morse code wasn't invented until the early studies of electricity made it possible.

Originally Posted by Ryus

Next off your assuming Dietrich didn't run to org HQ first, report in about Isley's death, get demoted (after all when it comes down to it only the head bosses can promote or demote someone, Rubel didn't choose to strip of her number his bosses did), then headed west to track down Deneve and Helen (under orders or not is the question).

During the meeting at the Org HQ they said that they didn't know what happened to Dietrich. Which means she didn't return to the Org. If she somehow got there after the meeting she would have had to outrun Alicia and Beth who left for the west as soon as the meeting was over (if not even sooner) and were still within eastern lands when Dietrich reached Rabona. Wait a minute.
HOLY S***
I thought you said you understand the time flow in claymore.

Originally Posted by Ryus

Finally your assuming a warrior just wasn't sent behind the AF's sent to observe the battle then run back at all haste and report in about Isley's fate. If a Claymore's was ordered to they couldn't likely run for days, it's just that they might not be strong enough to battle until they regain their strength. Now if the org assigned a warrior like Renee to do this they might very well still be strong enough to battle afterwards.

Well we never saw a claymore being assigned as a messenger. And if there was one she still would have only transferred the news about Isley's death and not the details of AB hunt led by Dietrich.

Anyway I just remembered something that will end this debate. The Org might be using homing pigeons.

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Dj0rel

I would have agreed with you if it was just the news about Isley's death. But there's more than that. At HQ they were also describing in great detail what they found about AB hunt that was led by Dietrich. That can't be done via a "torchlight method" and before you go there, there's a good reason why Morse code wasn't invented until the early studies of electricity made it possible.

Once again an unknown amount of time passed when Dietrich was traveling with H&D. Plus we know that the other 3 warriors reported back in... maybe they ran the info back to org hq.

Once again too many unknowns here... once again I think your making some big assumptions.

Originally Posted by Dj0rel

During the meeting at the Org HQ they said that they didn't know what happened to Dietrich. Which means she didn't return to the Org. If she somehow got there after the meeting she would have had to outrun Alicia and Beth who left for the west as soon as the meeting was over (if not even sooner) and were still within eastern lands when Dietrich reached Rabona. Wait a minute.
HOLY S***
I thought you said you understand the time flow in claymore.

HOLY S***

You didn't realize the report happened in ch 89 and Dietrich doesn't meet Miria until ch 90. For all we know Dietrich came in the door 30 seconds after the report was given then was demoted (talk about walking in at the wrong time ) Then she was ordered to run off to Rabona after being given a yoki suppressant pill since the org saw it as their chance to gain more knowledge on these mysterious warrior sitings, so they could determine what to do. Then team up with her H&D since Helen has a big mouth. Dietrich then gladdy accepted this mission since it was her chance to pay back H&D. Thus she could have made it in time for her scene in ch 90 yet still not shown up by the time the report was made.

Simply put we just don't know what happened. Speculation is fun and great but drawing conclusions isn't.

Originally Posted by Dj0rel

Well we never saw a claymore being assigned as a messenger. And if there was one she still would have only transferred the news about Isley's death and not the details of AB hunt led by Dietrich.

Anyway I just remembered something that will end this debate. The Org might be using homing pigeons.

We also never saw the retrieval squad until recently. The absence of proof isn't the proof of absence.

Could be homing pigeons could be the pony express. We just know it's not radios and the time jumps make it hard to gauge some of these scene jumps. So we have no way to empathetically state that the MiB are non human and can and have traveled at super speed before. Sure you can state you believe such but you won't convince me of it until Yagi spells it out for us. Simply put I see the the org members hatred of monsters as proof of them not being monsters but human with some nasty war wounds.

[Shiek927]

(why are you guys posting GIFs of Spaceballs....)

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Shiek927

(why are you guys posting GIFs of Spaceballs....)

I think he tried to glorify his defeating me on a topic... and I just used the next moment to movie to show that he hadn't.

[Nixl]

Dietrich certainly defies all odds(and maybe sense) in many occasions.

On a semi-off topic note, after re-reading the Lost Children's arc of Berserk, I really do hope Raki takes a few notes from Berserk. It would definitely make me love claymore a lot more with some Berserk styled craziness(and gory-sword fight shenanigans).

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Nixl

Dietrich certainly defies all odds(and maybe sense) in many occasions.

On a semi-off topic note, after re-reading the Lost Children's arc of Berserk, I really do hope Raki takes a few notes from Berserk. It would definitely make me love claymore a lot more with some Berserk styled craziness(and gory-sword fight shenanigans).

Spoiler for Berserk spoilers... asking Nixl to better explain what he means ;):

What do you by staying human and leaving Clare? Since that is what Jill did there (as much as she wanted to follow Guts, she knew she couldn't since it was just way to dangerous and it was better to stay with her abusive father)

Or do you just mean killing fairies whom turn into human kids once killed? and insane over the top violence (as awesome as it was )

[Nixl]

Originally Posted by Ryus

Spoiler for Berserk spoilers... asking Nixl to better explain what he means ;):

What do you by staying human and leaving Clare? Since that is what Jill did there (as much as she wanted to follow Guts, she knew she couldn't since it was just way to dangerous and it was better to stay with her abusive father)

Or do you just mean killing fairies whom turn into human kids once killed? and insane over the top violence (as awesome as it was )

I do not mean actual story parallels so much as Gatts' persona/attitude during the arc. While I understand Claymore is its own story, I wouldn't mind if Raki turned out to be more of an anti-hero in the sense that he may be for the greater-good, but unlike a claymore(Claire) he is perfectly fine with extremes. I do think I am over-generalizing to a degree, but I do think it would be a fun development for Raki and Claire to accept different means to an end. Gatts protected his companions, but he was also perfectly alright with hacking down anyone in the way. Although a fun parallel already is how the character's motivations are polar opposites at this point.

I am not sure how to clarify better.

After reading Berserk, Jiraishin, and Shin Angyo Onshi I do enjoy that anti hero-ish character(if done well). At this point I am not even certain "anti-hero" fits so much as "chaotic good."

Edit: Insane over-the-top violence can always be a plus.

Edit 2: Maybe I am over-analyzing Berserk, when in fact, the whole arc was over the top gore.

Let's just hope Yagi never finds the joy in Idol Master...god damn it Miura.

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by Ryus

Well anyways... lets ask people here on the forum just to be safe. Could someone translate ch 87 page 8 when Deneve talks about Dietrich's speed and stamina? Thanks in advance!

Chapter 87 pg 8? That's the Isley and Helen fighting. I doubt that: "What's this?" "The city is..." "let's let's get out of here!" is hardly worth re-translating.

You mean chapter 86 page 8 I assume?
I'm not sure I can help you with this one, though.
Deneve uses the word "gobu" - if you look it up in the dictionary, it says: "half; 50%; tie; evenness"
That said, the word, if read by kanji means "5 parts" - usually in the context 5 parts out of 10. The word is often used in twice right after each other - i.e. "gobugobu" which means 50-50 (5-5 in a contest to ten). This leads me to believe that it means "half" in this context rather than a tie. I would not bet on this though, nor argue if contradicted.

kuso
"dammit"
masaka furikirene to wa na
"incredible we don't shake her off"
tanjun na idou SUPEEDO de wareware to gobu
Simply in terms of movement speed, [she] is gobu of/with us.
(I'm about 65% sure it means "half" in this case)
nani yori stamina ga aru you da
Looks like she's got stamina like nothing else.

Sorry - it's the best I can do for you at the moment.

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

Chapter 87 pg 8? That's the Isley and Helen fighting. I doubt that: "What's this?" "The city is..." "let's let's get out of here!" is hardly worth re-translating.

You mean chapter 86 page 8 I assume?
I'm not sure I can help you with this one, though.
Deneve uses the word "gobu" - if you look it up in the dictionary, it says: "half; 50%; tie; evenness"
That said, the word, if read by kanji means "5 parts" - usually in the context 5 parts out of 10. The word is often used in twice right after each other - i.e. "gobugobu" which means 50-50 (5-5 in a contest to ten). This leads me to believe that it means "half" in this context rather than a tie. I would not bet on this though, nor argue if contradicted.

kuso
"dammit"
masaka furikirene to wa na
"incredible we don't shake her off"
tanjun na idou SUPEEDO de wareware to gobu
Simply in terms of movement speed, [she] is gobu of/with us.
(I'm about 65% sure it means "half" in this case)
nani yori stamina ga aru you da
Looks like she's got stamina like nothing else.

Sorry - it's the best I can do for you at the moment.

Thanks anyway... wonder why 2 of the best translators of Claymore said otherwise when you made it sound quite clear

Maybe someone else can clear this up for us Now I just wanna know the answer, since you know me I just wanna know what the RAW really says

Wish I could give you a cookie for that one!

Sorry about the typo for the chapter #

[Joe_fh]

Spoiler for another long reply to Malak:

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

yes,but you have to consider that a normal warriors doesn't have dauf's skin,so if you are hit you are dead.

I know, his skin is extremely hard. My point was that even at that early stage Clare's QS was batter than her WC now.

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

I never said differently,but since we know that Irene QS is 2 times Claire's Pieta QS (again,it's said CLEARLY!!!This is not a guessing.) we have a good idea on how crazy Irene's sword was.

And my point here was that imo Irene's QS was stronger than 2 x Clare's. You have a point 2 times is a lot but I still believe Irene was stronger than just those 2 times.

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

No,infact you seem to forget that after Claire,Flora's sword was the fastest in the whole generation.Even the other normal low digit weren't as fast as her (Raph obviously is an exception).Not only Agatha couldn't counter Claire's WC,but even Miria during her fight with Claire was always on the offensive to avoid Claire to attack,and when finally Claire attacked Miria couldn't counter WC at all.If the WC is really so easy to counter for a n.3 or so,knowing that Miria is now a lot stronger than that she could have easily defeated Claire's WC like Raph did,but as we know that didn't happen.This means that WC is a really dangerous technique even for someone as strong as Miria.....so Audrey would be destroyed by Claire's WC,like Agatha.

It's not only about speed. Flora also had more power. Jean explained the WC to everyone and said it was only one strike when we first saw it. That imo means Jean saw it otheriwse she wouldn't know it was only one strike.
Agatha's AB body was destroyed and she couldn't regenerate at that point (since she would have considering her life was in danger) so even if she saw it she couldn't counter with her human form almost (if any) yoki left.

Miria could avoid the WC just fine. Her speed has a huge influence on her fighting style - in other words why block an attack when you can avoid it. So she didn't have to actually deflect the WC like Raph did in order not to get hit - she just had to move out of the way of the attack which is what she's best at. We also don't know how much Yoki was Raph using or if she was using any at all.

We have no idea what Audrey would have done against the WC.
And I was actually wrong - Flora was a No8 - so I would imagine that Audrey could have blcoked and avoided getting seriously injured by WC when it's not yoki powered.
(there are more things to say about the WC and it's speed, power etc but I don't think it's worth the time to discuss an attack like that when there are way more interesting things)

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

Could you explain this better?I can't really understand what this means,it makes no sense.Who are the top 3 that could counter a 2 times stronger QS?The only ones that can are probably Teresa and Prissy (well,and Claire...),no one else.

What I mean is that if a No2 without yoki can take down a No3 without, while displaying avast difference in power by doing so it means that there is an enormous gap between two ranks. I believe that's not possible and while there clearly is a difference in power it's not that big. Since you said I have no proof of that I gave a simple example - if Irene's QS is 2x Clare's at Pieta and a No8 could counter it, with that vast difference in power between two ranks (which I mentioned just above) Claymores in the top 3 could easily block Irene's QS without yoki. Since that's obviously not the case it's logical that there isn't such a vast difference in power between two ranks.
This leads to the conclusion that Miria should be very close if not a No1. Did you understand it now since it probably is still a bit confusing.

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

You absolutely don't understand what i said about the soul-link experiments.I'll try to be clearer.Every warrior has a certain potential,and when that warrior awakens and become an AB her potential increase A LOT.You follow?
The main point to the soul link research is to find a way to be able to control AB.
So when you say that it's useless to create warriors at AB level that are weaker than normal warriors it's absolutely wrong,'cause even if it's true that it's possible to find normal warriors like Miria that are stronger than a lot of AB,it's also true that those AB twins are surely stronger than what they would have been if normal warriors.

Yes I follow
But you didn't get what I was saying. When a warrior awakens they reach their full potential yoki-wise. The only known way to increase that are half awakenings.

Ok let me rephrase that - it's not useless , it's redundant. It's really not worth it considering the resources (time, training etc) to create them when in the end they aren't stronger than normal non awakened warriors.
If you're going to spent so much time and effort on one pair of Soul Linking warriors you might as well find ones that would be AO level.
If the MiBs had trained a lot of twins to do this I would agree with you but it's not the case, so it's logical for these to be on an AO level in terms of yoki.

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

This means that after the soul-link is perfected the org could create an army of warriors capable of awakening,so like in the past there will be different results depending on the original potential of the twins,but what before could have been a normal n.3 (for example) now we have twins with the potential of an AWAKENED n.3,and when before there was a n.1 now we have twins at AO level.Do you see the enormous potential of the soul-link technique?
Like with normal warriors they didn't use only n.1 level claymores (cause they are really rare) it's quite logical to assume that when the s-l tech is perfected they'll use the same method,produce a lot of twins couples and see the results.

I can understand that really well. In fact it's the logical line of thoughts considering the scale of the war. However, we have only one pair of twins being trained. It's not like there aren't any twin girls around. In short the MiBs are training only one pair of twins wich would suggest that instead of going for multiple pairs with different strength they are going with only one. If you're going to use one you use the best and the best is AO level.
It's indeed very hard to find girls that have that kind of potential but since they've already did it twice I'd assume they can do it again.

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

Claire is half awakened like Miria but we have seen that when she awakens (and it was just an incomplete awakening) her powers increase enormously.You could say that Claire is an exception (and she is....),but do you really belive that a fully awakened Miria would be only a little bit stronger than how she normally is when uses yoki?You are free to belive so,imo a fully awakened Miria would be A LOT stronger than that,even if the increase in power won't be as strong as Claire for obvious reasons (Teresa).

No, no - I'm not saying that Miria won't become a lot stronger when she completely awakens, I'm saying that going by the latest chapter Miria could stand her gorund against an AO without the need to awaken.

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

Prissy was only an example to show the great difference in powers before and after the awakening,nothing more,so the fact that she was fighting Teresa means nothing here.

I know, but it wasn't really a good one since Teresa could fight off Prissy with ease because she was incredibly strong and after Prissy awakened the ones she fought were a lot less powerful. In short we can't get an accurate reading on how much her power actually increased since pre awakening she had Teresa as an opponent. Though I understood what you were trying to say so no worries there.

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

Aud and Rach were able to show their great teamwork only because Riful was playing with them.Riful said clearly that she could have defeated them in an instant (like Miria did) and we wouldn't have seen any teamwotrk at all,so their teamwork is absolutely useless if their opponent is too strong.

That's true but that doesn't mean their teamwork was bad - their opponent was just at a level that teamowrk was irrelevant. This shouldn't be the case when it came to fighting against Miria since she isn't at an AO level without even using yoki. While teamwork migh be usless agains a lot stronger opponents it's still better than no teamowrk yet they didn't show any which I find weird.

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

You are right here,but i said so 'cause the current n.9 (don't remember the name) while explained the situation to Clarice implied that only the weaker AB weren't called for war (so Isley's army were the best).Obviously there will be exception like Agatha,and that's why i said that GENERALLY those that didn't partecipate in the war were small fries.....

Well since there were 3 AOs and only Isley of the North had an army my guess is that the AB in the North were the ones that got called to war since neither Riful nor Luciela had an army of ABs and I doubt they let ABs in their territories join Isle's army. You could say the only 1/3 of the island's AB's stongest were called to war.
Oh and even if they were called to war that doesn't mean they all answered

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

No,of course isn't easy.What the hell,even finding normal n.1 isn't easy.
I simply meant that finding twins n.1 is even more difficult (a lot more difficult) than finding sisters n.1,or do you want to contest something so obvious?

My point was that finding sisters is really difficult but they pulled it off.
Second try was with the twins - even more difficult yet they did it again.
I really think that if the managed to do it 2 out of 2 times even it was extremely difficult they can do it a 3rd time as well.

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

This is wrong 'cause Raph and Luc weren't twins and the new twins aren't AO level.So the 3 pair are in reality only one pair: Ali-Beth,no one else (that we know).

Again even if Raph and Luciela weren't twins it was still really hard to find two sister which were both AO level. Even if it seems strange I think it's in a way, even more difficult than finding twins which are AO level. While twins are extremely hard to find at least they should be identical and so if one is AO level the other should be AO level as well. With sisters however, this isn't the case - One could be AO level and the other No47

Sanyways the point is that they found two pairs of AO level sisters (with the second being twin sisters) out of the two pairs they developed the Soul Link on. I doubt it was just luck and so I can't see why they won't do it again.
In short imo the new twins are AO level in terms of yoki.

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

Anyway to find twins with n.1 potential you need a lot of luck.

Or a lot of test subjects They just can't be that lucky to get a 2 out of 2.

Oh and btw thanks for the diecussion

Hmm...Spaceballs and Berserk Sound like fun.
I wonde what would happen if those two actually get mixed up together (though it's probably better to never find out )

[Nixl]

Strangely, Berserk does have a lot of humor in it despite all the gore. Puck and the later characters do a lot to soften up the atmosphere ( a little...). Furthermore, who could forget all the ridiculous knight factions such as the Purple Rhino Heavy Knight army.

[Jean Claymore]

Well well seems finally has released the english scan for chapter 106...

[MalakTawus]

Spoiler for Joe_fh:

if Irene's QS is 2x Clare's at Pieta and a No8 could counter it, with that vast difference in power between two ranks (which I mentioned just above) Claymores in the top 3 could easily block Irene's QS without yoki.

????? Flora isn't even close in countering Irene's QS.....she could counter Claire's QS,but Irene's QS is 2 times stronger and faster,as i said only Teresa Prissy (and now Claire) could counter Irene's QS......

going by the latest chapter Miria could stand her gorund against an AO without the need to awaken.

Impossible,probably not even close.(IMO obviously)

Miria could avoid the WC just fine. Her speed has a huge influence on her fighting style - in other words why block an attack when you can avoid it.

Like i said Claire attacked only once and Miria was immobile in the middle of Claire's attack,that's not avoiding attacks, that's Claire missing Miria on purpose.
The WC is too fast for Miria to counter so she has to continuously attack to force Claire in a defence position.Raph totally destroyed Claire's WC (and Raph never use yoki,like the ghosts),Miria instead had a draw against Claire's WC.Knowing now how powerful is Miria you can have a good idea how great is even the simple WC (without yoki).I don't understand why you find so difficult to think that Aud would be destroyed by a technique that was able to stop Miria's new phantom.......

About the twins and the soul-link research we see things quite differently but i suppose we'll have to wait to have some concrete answer....
Anyway thanx for the discussion,it was fun and interesting!....but now i really have to sleep,c u!

This is just speculation (probably quite stupid),but don't you think that Rubel could have a plan to use the soul-link reseach or something else to create an huge disaster that destroys the island org?I mean with all the crazy experiments that the org is conducting,Rubel could cause the org autodestruction quite easily (well not really...) with all those dangerous monstres around.Maybe in this chap he was referring to some sort of "incident" that he was preparing and that maybe Miria ruined......or maybe not......

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by Ryus

Thanks anyway... wonder why 2 of the best translators of Claymore said otherwise when you made it sound quite clear

Maybe someone else can clear this up for us Now I just wanna know the answer, since you know me I just wanna know what the RAW really says

Wish I could give you a cookie for that one!

Sorry about the typo for the chapter #

Just what in my post made it sound clear?
Whether the meaning is: "half; 50%" or "tie; evenness" is something I can only make a guess at.
I just figured some info is better than none