Utawarerumono Episode 12 Discussion / Poll

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[Xellos-_^]

2chan link is out.

http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/3068918.htm

[Takemi_Ikazuchi]

the episode reminds be of a certain video game prologue

Touka: DIE MONSTER! you don't belong in this world
Hakuoro: uhhm....what do you mean
Touka: Mankind ill needs a ruler like you!
Hakouro: ......
Karura-nee san:but enough talk, have at you!!!

[Tiberium Wolf]

With Omni in hospital there seems to be no synopsis nor decent screenshots to be found.

[DwArD]

Originally Posted by Tiberium Wolf

With Omni in hospital there seems to be no synopsis nor decent screenshots to be found.

Agree. And I'm really looking forward to ep12 though....oh well, I suppose I have no choice but to wait....

[Angela Sanctisstessa]

watched the raw already, not a bad episod ^^ currently dlding the chinese subs

[cheenk]

http://rapidshare.de/files/23602324/utaware_12.zip.html

i took about 60 screencaps. the first 2 screencaps occur before the OP and the last 3 are parts of the preview

[Rafal]

Nice episode, the mood is getting a bit darker and the fights looked decent this time as well. I especially liked the background music during the fight on the bridge, it really tensified the atmosphere well. Could have lasted a bit longer though.

But I also have some criticism; I would like to see more tension between Hakuoro and Eruruw (tail grabbing, blushing, anything!), as they really need to start spicing up their relationship by now. And I still have my doubts about Touka's voice, but perhaps I'll get used to it later. I gave the last episode a rating of 7, so I'm giving this one an 8. Though 'very good' might be a bit too much, it's pretty good but not yet 'great' imo.

[Cyz]

12 already? 11 hasn't come out yet

[Rafal]

It's out, just not subbed yet. People who can understand Japanese don't have to wait for a subbed version.

[Cyz]

Ah phooey! Anyway, is this the episode when will they defeat Touka?

[Rafal]

Originally Posted by Cyz

Ah phooey! Anyway, is this the episode when will they defeat Touka?

Spoiler for ep 12:

Yes, Karura shows she is evenly matched to Touka but she outwits her by cutting the bridge and sending Touka together with the bridge into the abyss. They deviate a bit from the game here though which is interesting.

[cheenk]

Spoiler:

yeah the preview shows touka back with orikakan's troops on a woptar (sp?)

[Newprimus]

I haven't had a major beef with the conversion from game to anime yet, but for episode 12.....



NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!


How could they take out the FUNNIEST part of Touka's introduction arc!?!??


Here's a summary from Mastress Alita:

Spoiler for game difference:

Hakuoro and his friends stand at the bridge over the tall ravine, and on the other side
stands Touka. She says he came after all, and they are all cowards, as it was expected
that they'd plot to drop this irreplaceable bridge for the people of Kutcha-Ketcha.
Hakuoro says nothing, and she says she will not allow it. Some calvarymen come up behind
her to join her, and she says that if they can do it, to go ahead and try. Hakuoro says
he sees, and then walks over and starts chopping at the support of the bridge with his
metal fan. Touka looks at him in silence for a moment, then tells him to wait and asks
just what he is doing. He proclaims that he's just doing what she told him to do, and it
is practical, quickly they will make the bridge unable to be used, and soon it will be
dangerous to be there. He then chops at the bridge again. She yells at him to wait, and
calls him a coward, and asks if he cannot fight fairly.

Eruruu says she's certain that their aim was to gain total control of the bridge, and
Hakuoro says that though that is so, when you see that woman it is just... He trails off
and Touka says, "Just? Just what--!!?" Hakuoro tells her not to worry because it was
nothing. She curses at him and asks if he is a fool, but then proclaims that no, he is
without doubt a fool. He says nothing and she asks what is with that face, and to say
something. He says it is nothing, which just angers her further, making her own soldiers
nervous. She claims that they are cowardly to attack with mentality (rather than
physically). Kurou tells Oboro that now they can make her pay for what she's done (putting
them at personal shame for being bested by her), and Benaui says to stop the idle talk,
it begins. Hakuoro gives the command to go.

[Battle 13 - Defeat Touka]

The fight with Touka and finally defeat her. She is shocked that she is defeated and says
she doesn't want to admit it, but it is necessary to do so. She says that this is not the
end, and says she will not allow them to advance even one step ahead, swinging her sharp
sword around. She tells them to come, and show just what kind of person would try to
squander the Ebaenkuruga. There is a twang from the rope on the bridge right beside her
(caused without her notice from her display of swinging her sword around). Hakuoro says
nothing as there is another twang of the rope weakening. His party, stares silently,
and she asks them what it is, and to come, still clueless to what is happening. There is
another twang as the rope start to come apart further, and Hakuoro tells everyone to
retreat, and get back. They hurry back over to their side and she tells them to wait, and
asks why they are running away. She says they are resigning in fear of her, and they are
cowardly, it is miserable for them all to run away from only one person, and it must be
from the extent of her victorious spirit. As she is monologuing, the bridge breaks from
under her. With a huge sweatdrop, she starts to fall down into the ravine.

Somehow she manages to catch herself and climb up on the other side, where Hakuoro and his
party are. Angrily she says it was very unfair of them to drop the bridge. Hakuoro starts
to say they didn't drop the bridge but trails off, and she says since it has come to this,
she wants a man-to-man fight with him, Rakushain. She readies her herself and says now
they are to have an ordinary match. Then a group of Tousukuru troops run in and surround
Touka, grabbing her. She calls out for them to release her, she is to have a man-to-man
fight. They drag her off, and she continues to yell "A man-to-man fight!" as they take her
away.

Everyone is silent, and Hakuoro says that after all, the bridge was dropped (albeit a
bit differently than they had expected), and Eruruu says for the time being their
objective has been accomplished. Hakuoro says that he's relieved, it's good and there
really was no choice in the matter.

That would've been soooo funny to watch on screen but why'd they take it out!?

I'm still going to stick with the series though to its conclusion. Still my favorite of the season.

Oh and when are they going to do

Spoiler for light game spoilers:

Kuuya?

[Rafal]

Yeah I agree, too bad they left that part out, it would have been hilarious. It's not only funny but also an important part of Touka's development as a character imo.

And I'm afraid they're not going to introduce Kuuya at all.

[Tiberium Wolf]

Originally Posted by cheenk

http://rapidshare.de/files/23602324/utaware_12.zip.html

i took about 60 screencaps. the first 2 screencaps occur before the OP and the last 3 are parts of the preview

Thx for the screenshots.

[RunningTARGET]

Originally Posted by Rafal

But I also have some criticism; I would like to see more tension between Hakuoro and Eruruw (tail grabbing, blushing, anything!), as they really need to start spicing up their relationship by now.

Wait isn't something supposed to happen? Or was I miss informed?

Spoiler for the end bit of the eps:

I swear some one told me that Hakouro and Eruru get somewhat intimate with each other after Touka's introduction? In my mind while Eruru and Hakouro were by them selves in the room in the last bit I couldn't get it out of my head, but for some reason I felt relieve when nothing happened. I guess I want it to be a very romantic scene instead of Hakouro pulling 180 to realised his feelings for her.

[PGilis]

Originally Posted by Shinova

I haven't had a major beef with the conversion from game to anime yet, but for episode 12.....



NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!


How could they take out the FUNNIEST part of Touka's introduction arc!?!??


Here's a summary from Mastress Alita:

Spoiler for game difference:

Hakuoro and his friends stand at the bridge over the tall ravine, and on the other side stands Touka. She says he came after all, and they are all cowards, as it was expected that they'd plot to drop this irreplaceable bridge for the people of Kutcha-Ketcha.
Hakuoro says nothing, and she says she will not allow it. Some calvarymen come up behind her to join her, and she says that if they can do it, to go ahead and try. Hakuoro says he sees, and then walks over and starts chopping at the support of the bridge with his metal fan. Touka looks at him in silence for a moment, then tells him to wait and asks just what he is doing. He proclaims that he's just doing what she told him to do, and it is practical, quickly they will make the bridge unable to be used, and soon it will be dangerous to be there. He then chops at the bridge again. She yells at him to wait, and calls him a coward, and asks if he cannot fight fairly.

Eruruu says she's certain that their aim was to gain total control of the bridge, and Hakuoro says that though that is so, when you see that woman it is just... He trails off and Touka says, "Just? Just what--!!?" Hakuoro tells her not to worry because it was nothing. She curses at him and asks if he is a fool, but then proclaims that no, he is without doubt a fool. He says nothing and she asks what is with that face, and to say something. He says it is nothing, which just angers her further, making her own soldiers nervous. She claims that they are cowardly to attack with mentality (rather than physically). Kurou tells Oboro that now they can make her pay for what she's done (putting them at personal shame for being bested by her), and Benaui says to stop the idle talk, it begins. Hakuoro gives the command to go.

[Battle 13 - Defeat Touka]

The fight with Touka and finally defeat her. She is shocked that she is defeated and says she doesn't want to admit it, but it is necessary to do so. She says that this is not the end, and says she will not allow them to advance even one step ahead, swinging her sharp sword around. She tells them to come, and show just what kind of person would try to squander the Ebaenkuruga. There is a twang from the rope on the bridge right beside her (caused without her notice from her display of swinging her sword around). Hakuoro says nothing as there is another twang of the rope weakening. His party, stares silently, and she asks them what it is, and to come, still clueless to what is happening. There is another twang as the rope start to come apart further, and Hakuoro tells everyone to retreat, and get back. They hurry back over to their side and she tells them to wait, and
asks why they are running away. She says they are resigning in fear of her, and they are cowardly, it is miserable for them all to run away from only one person, and it must be from the extent of her victorious spirit. As she is monologuing, the bridge breaks from under her. With a huge sweatdrop, she starts to fall down into the ravine.

Somehow she manages to catch herself and climb up on the other side, where Hakuoro and his party are. Angrily she says it was very unfair of them to drop the bridge. Hakuoro starts to say they didn't drop the bridge but trails off, and she says since it has come to this, she wants a man-to-man fight with him, Rakushain. She readies her herself and says now they are to have an ordinary match. Then a group of Tousukuru troops run in and surround Touka, grabbing her. She calls out for them to release her, she is to have a man-to-man fight. They drag her off, and she continues to yell "A man-to-man fight!" as they take her away.

Everyone is silent, and Hakuoro says that after all, the bridge was dropped (albeit a bit differently than they had expected), and Eruruu says for the time being their
objective has been accomplished. Hakuoro says that he's relieved, it's good and there really was no choice in the matter.

That would've been soooo funny to watch on screen but why'd they take it out!?

I'm still going to stick with the series though to its conclusion. Still my favorite of the season.

So many... so many great scenarios/momments from the game... wasted!

Oh and when are they going to do

Spoiler for light game spoilers:

Kuuya?

Unfortunately, if they were put him on the show, would be around episode 10 - after the battle against Emperor Noe and before Karura. So we lost the chance for a great character development... again!

The fact is, they're cutting down many great/funny momments from the story of the game because otherwise this series would be alot longer than 26 episodes. Most probably, would fit just in 52 or so. And the producers don't want to make a very long series for Utamono.

[Takemi_Ikazuchi]

No.



The direction and mood transition flows better this way.

[Srin Tuar]

Hrm, the center piece of this episode seems to be Hakuoro being confused and scared about who he really is and what he may have done, then the fight where touka gets dropped into the ravine.

I guess its needed for story progression, but I sure would have traded it for some more romantic moments with eruru and him. There really hasnt been anything since episode 1, which is too bad because I was really looking forward to some.