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(Not bad enough to kill anyone, mind you, but bad enough that they should be shut down.) |
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2011-07-26, 12:13 | Link #15162 |
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I have troubles to actually classify the non-scientific ideology of the Nazis - that include the concept of a master race, the jews being their arch enemy... - as a political one. Thats closer to a religion then anything I would classify political (God's chosen people... infidels/heretics as arch enemies of another religion...). Then again there was also personality cult, thats something I consider political (although its not unseen in religion - the pope could be seen as an example for personality cult too).
Meh, now that Nazi-tourette-man actually made me think about his stupid comparison - what a filthy feeling.
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2011-07-26, 12:21 | Link #15163 |
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I listened to that Glenn Beck clip myself. It was too stupid to even be offensive. In the same video he mentions that he thinks Geert Wilders is from Denmark, so not a very well researched program overall. You'd think he'd make a bit more of an effort, seeing as how it is his job.
And just for the record, those kinds of camps are nothing like any sort of thing you might imagine if you've seen Jesus Camp or anything like that. (Certainly nothing like Hitler-Jugend, lol) It's mostly just kids having fun, with some political speeches and workshops thrown in. That isn't to say I think they are a great idea, but they're nothing like the dystopian vision that, among many others, Glenn Beck thinks them to be.
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2011-07-26, 13:33 | Link #15164 |
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A lot of youth camps have some kind of agenda behind them, though not usually a bad one. It can be as simple as, say, wanting to spread wilderness survival skills and love of the countryside, or bringing together people of a certain social or religious background.
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2011-07-26, 14:31 | Link #15165 |
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Lovely, now he's been quoted as praising Japan as a "model nation" .... having a mass serial killer praise you doesn't really appeal...
http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/0...58455120110726 http://newsonjapan.com/html/newsdesk/article/91135.php As for the camp... good grief its no more dangerous than the Campus Mainstream Political Club on any given campus. To even insinuate a comparison to "Hitler Youth"... well, the United States branch of the Boy Scouts make a better comparison to Hitler Youth than this sort of summer camp (caveat: yeah, i was in the Boy Scouts before they went christian fundamentalist crazy at the top tier).
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2011-07-26, 15:01 | Link #15166 | |
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But he praises a lot of people, ideas, works of arts, books and so forth in the incredibly long manifesto, believe me, I've read a good deal of it. I don't really think there's any point going over all of it and lamenting his approval of them, that would be a long and arduous task indeed. He even lists his favorite movies and other personal facts by the end. They're The Passion of the Christ, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings and 300, by the way. Also, I'm sure to no one's surprise, he's a big Ayn Rand fan.
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Breivik should not be linked to any Christian organizations he was not a part of, extremist or otherwise. But he was a Christian, and defending the Christian values of Europe was very much part of his agenda, right down to the name he gave his supposed group "Knights Templar Europe."
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2011-07-26, 18:45 | Link #15170 |
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Aye, that's the one liner that puts that whole pile of poorly thought diatribe to shame. History. Facts. Something much of that ilk fails miserably at. The Judeo-Christian-Islamic (Abrahamic) faiths drip in blood throughout history, sometimes in defense but often simply to rationalize taking things violently.
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2011-07-26, 19:45 | Link #15171 | |
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But, it is important to keep in mind that almost always, religion doesn't give command to kill people, it is who people kill people. Kinda like guns.
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2011-07-26, 20:07 | Link #15172 |
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Can think of the Crusades, the Ottoman Empire and its precursors, and (pre-Christian) Rome's various wars with Judea off the top of my head if you just want to stick to ancient history and nothing 'modern'.
A religious war is a righteous war, God's on your side meaning you can do no wrong... apparently. I'd say Buddhism is pretty bloodless.
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2011-07-26, 20:46 | Link #15174 |
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In comparison to the other 3 though? I've never really looked at Buddhism - and gave up on the other 3 years ago. Was it ever used as an excuse to carve out an empire, and to kill thousands (millions?) who didn't follow your beliefs and so on.
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2011-07-26, 20:59 | Link #15176 |
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There were three major sects of Tibetan Buddhism several hundred years ago but two were culled in Tibet by the sect most people recognize plainly as Tibetan Buddhism today. As one example. There's also been Hindu on Muslim violence in India for a while if anyone didn't know about that side of another eastern religion.
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2011-07-26, 21:06 | Link #15177 |
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Trying not to stray too far off topic here, but let's just make we're sure on what is actually being claimed when he says that a Christian cannot be responsible for mass murder. I'm pretty sure what he's claiming isn't that the obvious events that come to mind of most informed people never happened, but that these the people who committed them, in spite of their claims, were not actually following "Christian teachings." They were hence not true Christians, but either mere pretenders or deluded fools who misunderstood, hence not true Christians.
It's still wrong and absurd on the face of it. Trying to impose your own definition universally on something that has a history of incredibly broad interpretation and over 30 000 denominations alive and well, each with their own each idea of what a true believer constitutes, just doesn't hold water.
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2011-07-26, 21:11 | Link #15178 | |
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O'Reilly's true colors were never in doubt. We always knew he was a first-class moron.
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Was he a Christian before he shot 68 people and bombed Oslo? If we went back in time, two or three years ago, and knew Breivik then, would he be a Christian? O'Reilly is basically legitimizing the idea that someone can be a Christian and perform all sorts of shady activity, but the moment they're caught, OH NO THEY WERE NEVER A CHRISTIAN.
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2011-07-26, 21:16 | Link #15179 |
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What does either issue has to do with Buddhism?
I don't know about India but in China, while there were some conflicts with other religion. Most were pretty minor, none resulted in Crusades or Holy Wars. Certainly wasn't used by any Chinese Emperor as a pretext to declare war on anyone.
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