Arrow (CW)

[Wandering Soul]

All those bee puns, they hurt.

Spoiler for spoiler:

If Andy is genuinely working with Hive, then Diggle is in trouble. That preview wants us to think it's Diggle at least.

http://m.imgur.com/a/7LCPd

[Wandering Soul]

Well the death they have been teasing us about all season has finally happened.

Spoiler for grave spoilers:

RIP Laurel.

http://m.imgur.com/a/Y3b1j

[Chosen_Hero]

^Not really that broken up about it, always thought she was one of the worst things in the show, besides it was kind of obvious seeing as this whole season had the writer's trying to make fans like her (to the detriment of another character).

If anything i'm sad for Quentin, he lost one daughter twice and now his other daughter is probably dead for good (that little talk with Oliver at the end seems suspect).

Being Quentin is suffering.

[germanturkey]

the ending was very suspicious.

[monster]

I do not like this at all. I just got caught up with Supergirl and the Banshee's power was what I thought the Canary's "power" would've been portrayed as (though I guess magic helps in the Silver Banshee's case). And now I might not even get to see if that could ever happen with the Black Canary.

[MrTerrorist]

Damm. I thought it was Captain Lance who was gonna die. Turns out it was Laurel.

I should have realized it was the Black Canary due to a certain news for The Flash i saw and ignored.

Spoiler for The Flash news:

Earth-2 Black Canary will appear on The Flash.

[monster]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

I should have realized it was the Black Canary due to a certain news for The Flash i saw and ignored.

Spoiler for The Flash news:

Earth-2 Black Canary will appear on The Flash.

Is it as a regular? Otherwise, a mere short appearance wouldn't matter.

[Galaxian]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Damm. I thought it was Captain Lance who was gonna die. Turns out it was Laurel.

I should have realized it was the Black Canary due to a certain news for The Flash i saw and ignored.

Spoiler for The Flash news:

Earth-2 Black Canary will appear on The Flash.

That reminds me of Injustice...

Spoiler for :

Where, after Superman seemingly kills Black Canary, Doctor Fate saves her and takes her and her son to a different Earth in which Green Arrow is still alive, but their Black Canary died.

[MrTerrorist]

Spoiler for S4EP19:

So no thanks to a former prisoner of HIVE turned fake Black Canary and Diggle, the Anti Vigilante Task Force is reformed.
And Oliver reveals at Laura's funeral that she was the Black Canary in order to preserve her legacy.

[MrTerrorist]

Spoiler for S4 ep20:

John finally kills Andy after he help Dhark go after his family.
And we also find out what HIVE's goal is: nuke the world and rule it with their followers.

[MrTerrorist]

Spoiler for S4 ep21:

Team Arrow menages to stop HIVE's nuclear armageddon expect one nuke which Felicity and her Dad can only make the nuke change target to another less, populated place.
Despite that, the deaths from the nuke still powers up Damien.

[monster]

Spoiler for referencing The Flash's latest episode:

And here I thought they were going to have a nuclear tragedy only for it to be somehow averted by Barry's action due to having enough differences in the resulting timeline.

[justsomeguy]

That was a stupid finale. The end battle was just a repeat of the Brick thing from last season, and Oliver finally decides to just kill Darhk, which he should have done since the beginning.

There are also huge ramifications that I'm not sure the writers considered. Having all the nukes explode in space will probably fuck up lots if not all satellites, so goodbye to things like GPS, weather forecasts, etc. Having nukes launched at all (and one hit) for whatever reason would also destabilize the world and lead to problems regarding international relations.

Unanswered questions remain:
1) What will happen to Darhk's daughter? I'm thinking she'll be taken into protective custody, getting a new identity, and a lifetime of therapy/de-programming/brainwashing.
2) How did the idol go from ARGUS into Darhk's hands?

As for next season, I'm going to guess that Oliver will either turn out to be a terrible mayor, or be overwhelmed with Star City's numerous problems. I'm also hoping that there's a return to the style and themes from the first and second seasons, where stealth and tactics actually matter instead of just charging in with a whole team of people, a focus on the class conflict in the city, and there's no more magic crap. (Of course, there's the possibility that Barry's fucked everything up by saving his mom.) Next season will also be the last year of flashbacks, so there's the possibility it will also the last of this show.

[Wandering Soul]

That was okay. A few questions are left hanging like what will happen to Darhk's daughter? I'm also not sure how Oliver will balance out being the Green Arrow and the Mayor. Barry's actions may make all that moot though. Next season should be the last set of flashbacks.

Darhk should have taught his men that if they have guns, then they shouldn't be running up to people to fight them hand to hand. It's like they all forgot how guns work.

http://imgur.com/a/srxdn

[Wandering Soul]

Apparently fans over at Reddit are so fed up with Arrow that they turned the Arrow subreddit into a Daredevil one. I'm speechless.

[justsomeguy]

Well, no surprise, Arrow's quality began declining in Season 3 and led to Wednesday's fiasco, while Daredevil pretty much took over as the gritty street-level hero show. On the Arrow reddit there's a thread titled "What Arrow's seasons 3-5 should have been" that summed up why I decided to watch this show in the first place. In the first season, the present day / flashback structure made clear that the writers had a plan for five seasons, with past Oliver and present Oliver being foils of each other, with the past on the path to becoming the violent vigilante, and the present learning to become an actual hero. But then the original writers went to write Flash and that plan was obviously heavily altered or abandoned. Hence the seasons became less personal, the flashbacks less relevant, and the godawful Olicity ship.

[Dark Wing]

well thanks to the latest flash episode everything might be tossed out...

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by justsomeguy

2) How did the idol go from ARGUS into Darhk's hands?

Notice the female Argus agent that's carrying the box with the idol inside? It's Mina Fayad, one of Darhk's agents before he killed her for failing him.

[justsomeguy]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Notice the female Argus agent that's carrying the box with the idol inside? It's Mina Fayad, one of Darhk's agents before he killed her for failing him.

Thanks. Unfortunately other than Anarky and Andy none of the HIVE personnel were memorable, so I didn't even catch that.

[Chosen_Hero]

Here you go, the real reason as to why Arrow has been admittedly sucking for the last two seasons: