Kanon - 2006 - Episode 7 Discussion / Poll

[xris]

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[Zaris]

Well, as the title suggests: Fuga of Runaways and Kittens. People already said "Makoto gets the cat this episode" so I'm inclined to believe that the cat is going to play an intregal part in her character development. In the second to last scene of the preview, she has a one-way conversation with the cat where she says the both of them are the same - nuisances with nowhere to go. I wonder if she runs away from Akiko's home or something, maybe because she overheard a conversation where they were talking about how troublesome she is. = |

Furthermore, that scene had grass in it. Where'd all the snow go? = O

It's probably a Makoto-heavy episode. I'm really eager to know if she's going to make or break in these upcoming 25 minutes. I'm barely stomaching her immaturity and I don't know how much more I can put up with it. Then again, Ayu's plenty short but the same age as Yuuichi. If Makoto really is younger than she looks, I'd probably be more sympathetic.

But Makoto doesn't remember that either, I bet. -_-

[monir]

It's probably a Makoto-heavy episode. I'm really eager to know if she's going to make or break in these upcoming 25 minutes. I'm barely stomaching her immaturity and I don't know how much more I can put up with it. Then again, Ayu's plenty short but the same age as Yuuichi. If Makoto really is younger than she looks, I'd probably be more sympathetic.

But Makoto doesn't remember that either, I bet. -_-

I'm sure I'm not the first one to say that KyoAni is handling the Makoto-story and her character perfectly. Be a little more patient with her character and you will most definitely be in for a treat. I should know since I'm terribly spoiled by the old Kanon series.

Looking forward to the RAW for the episdoe.

[Vexx]

aye... in retrospect Zaris is probably going to feel terrible for saying bad things about Makoto
Actually, that is really the case for every character in the show.... anyone saying bad things about them will probably regret doing so later.

[Ascaloth]

Originally Posted by Zaris

Furthermore, that scene had grass in it. Where'd all the snow go? = O

If I remember correctly, it's also grass in the game, too.......and I've never played the game itself, just seen various CGs of the hill.

[houkoholic]

First half has some real comedy gold per usual (the jam scene is so full of win), but the second half the heavy drama's starting to kick in. The ride's about to begin for the Makoto's story. Again a very nice tie in with Mai plus making a scene a lot less contrived, major kudos for Kyoani with this original addition.

And the preview just has no more subtilities to what's to come, it's screaming out that something important is gonna happen to a particular character with the way it's chronographed.

[Cyz]

Screenshots of episode 7 courtesy of Random Curiosity.

Spoiler:

Mmm, I see Nayuki with her chubby face again

[KenOhki'sRage]

Geez I keep giving out 10s.

Looks like a Makoto heavy episode. Neat. I'm liking her 1000 times more this time around. Her interaction with Yuuichi is perfect I came about 2 inches from bawling during this episode. Especially during the dinner scene toward the end.

Spoiler:

When Mishio was introduced I almost lost it, I didn't expect to see her till much closer to the end. Now that she's here (and we see more of her in the preview) the end of Makoto's arc is coming quickly. Looks like her story will be the first to resolve probably because her story needs less interaction with the other girls. I expect this Kanon will make me very depressed, sigh.

[Thelastguardian]

If I remember correctly, the intro to Makoto's route (meeting with the cat) starts at Jan. 2x (the story starts at Jan. 7?).

Obviously KyoAni moved the scene a lot earlier than the game. I wonder whether this will have an effect on Makoto's character buildup.

Anyway, there's not much to write about in episode 7.

Spoiler for episode 7:

I think KyoAni makes Makoto's route first because it is the only route that doesn't predominately use "love" as the main theme/device.

If you look at the other characters' routes, their "love" for Yuiichi plays a major part in their stories. If you look at Makoto's route, however, the dominite theme will be "belonging" (similar to Air) - you can see evidence of this in the late night snack scene in episode 7.
I wonder if this is done to put Yuuichi in good light - as in not making moves on *gasp* little girls until tragedy strikes.
Paranoid, I am.

Spoiler for random minor thoughts on game plot:

And yes, most of the girls' misery comes from Yuuichi. He ruined many people's lifes (ok maybe not Shiori, but...).

OK I will be serious - why did they take out Nayuki and Yuuichi's dialogue after the cat scene? The one where how Yuuichi knows Nayuki is allegic to cat? Wouldn't the conversation shows that Yuuichi is starting to remember his past in this town?

Well, at least it's not your run of the mill "1 girl/episode" bishoujo series - only half of the episode deals with Makoto. Thank god.

[Cyz]

It's about time the anime start an arc. The intro arc seems a little long no?

[Ascaloth]

Now, I'm one of those that has to wait for the SS-Eclipse subs to come out before actually touching a new episode, but if what you guys say are true...I'm getting the feeling that KyoAni may just end up falling back on a variation of the "modular" approach once again, instead of the "interleave" approach they had promised.

I'll explain more on my POV, but perhaps I should continue this in the spoiler thread instead?

[Meophist]

Spoiler for Thelastguardian:

He did talk about Nayuki's cat allergy, but he did it before she touched the cat.

In any case, I guess it's undeniable now that they're in Makoto's arc. I'll be interested in seeing how they'll go through with it. I'm expecting it to have quite a few changes from the '02 version.

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by Ascaloth

Now, I'm one of those that has to wait for the SS-Eclipse subs to come out before actually touching a new episode, but if what you guys say are true...I'm getting the feeling that KyoAni may just end up falling back on a variation of the "modular" approach once again, instead of the "interleave" approach they had promised.

I'll explain more on my POV, but perhaps I should continue this in the spoiler thread instead?

well, even in an interleave approach, you have to idle the focus at times in threads in which important events are looming (i.e. sometimes it is bad dramatic form to cut from the starship battle to mom-buying-groceries ... sometimes it provides good contrast). Makoto's thread is a bit unique so I'm less bothered in this case than I might be with, say, Nayuki and Ayu.

[DanielSong39]

A lot of you are complaining about the modular approach, but the truth is that sometimes you need to have some level of focus for the dramatic scenes to have the desired impact.

Ideally you don't want Character A spills her guts to Yuuichi one moment and have Character B say "Uguu" and acts silly the next moment.

A dramatic arc needs a proper buildup and resolution. If that means being "modular" - is modularity such a bad thing?

[Meophist]

I do like how they're developing Mai alongside Makoto. Did that happen in the game?

Spoiler for Episode 7:

In any case, even though I knew what was going to happen on the bridge, it still caught me off-guard.

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by Ascaloth

Now, I'm one of those that has to wait for the SS-Eclipse subs to come out before actually touching a new episode, but if what you guys say are true...I'm getting the feeling that KyoAni may just end up falling back on a variation of the "modular" approach once again, instead of the "interleave" approach they had promised.

It's probably physically impossible to "interleave" all the routes together beyond the regular daily scenes, which Kyoani has done up to this point. As Yuuichi goes down one girl's route, it becomes impossible for him to chase after the others (which is why he's doing his best to set up all the flags beforehand, what a smart way to play ).

Instead, I think what they're doing is trying to keep the other heroines actively involved even during a particular heroine's route, so it would appear that everyone's involved in a single large story, with all the routes "connected" to each other somehow. (For example, Mai's involvement in Makoto's route. Which also introduces Mai's story a little... perhaps because they'll be doing her story next?)

Still, once we head into a heroine's route for real, the story becomes quite heavy. If they're planning to hit us with one route after another from here on, I wonder how the anime's mood will hold up...

Anyway, it's still the serious stuff that people's waiting for. I gotta say, the bridge scene was really nicely done.

Spoiler:

That dining scene in the end with 残光 playing... uwa... looks like I'll have to secure some tissues soon

Kaori's "that person's always running around" line cracked me up.

The preview was great too, in a way.

[panzerfan]

I agree with that sentiment. This whole episode though just pushes me to more into a slight melancholy. Kanon is only getting more and more emotional and there's no turning back.
Makoto's silioque is a very powerful moment. I remember that very clearly from the game and the Toei version. (and yes, I feel sorry for Makoto when it comes to the jam)

Nayuki's cat allergy. Well Kyuichi remembers that.

In 7:41, I had to go back to listen to the dialogue a few times... because of Sayuri's line: "なのはなしです?" (Guess what I was thinking about?)

Spoiler for self musing on what's ahead...:

Amano's talk with Yuuichi is something that I slightly dread. Makoto weakening will follow suit and now that we've seen the fox on the hill, the true meaning behind Makoto's name, Monori hill finale and the wedding scene will unravel in a matter of a few weeks.

What I am unsure of is how will the characters come out of this... will Ayu and Mai react to the conclusion of the Makoto arc?

[Ascaloth]

DSong, sorry, but I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Well, how should I explain this...You see, from what we have of the hints so far,

Spoiler:

Makoto's arc is probably gonna complete by episode 9.

What I'm thinking is similar to Sushi-Y, but the thing is, I was kind of expecting it to stretch a coupla more episodes. And my impression of the interleave approach goes as thus:

1) The la-la stretch (which we've got so far all the way up to Ep6)
2) Character A's arc starts, beginning of the buildup of A's heavy-duty stuff
3) Approximately 3/4 through A's arc, where everything is coming to a head, Character B's arc starts building up as well.
4) Character A's arc comes to a head and ends 1/4 through B's arc.
5) 3/4 of the way through B's arc, where B's heavy-duty stuff is coming to a head, Character C's arc starts building up from there.

And so on, and so forth.

Now granted, perhaps it is already happening, and perhaps it's just too subtle for me to pick up on easily, but the point is, if they're going to give about the same number of episodes for each girl (perhaps a little more for you-know-who) as they're giving Makoto right now, somehow it feels as if KyoAni's gonna run itself out of content before the 24th episode. I'd be a lot more relieved if Makoto gets a coupla more episodes than the hints are pointing to now, since that way I'll be a bit more certain that everybody's arcs will fill up the whole 24 episodes.

Spoiler:

Also, it'll be best if KyoAni's Kanon doesn't drop any of the girls totally, you know what I mean? As in, sure she has to go, but maybe you can still have flashbacks, reminiscenes of her, after her arc. Don't forget her totally, like ToeiAni's Kanon did.

[panzerfan]

Well the thing that we can watch for is how the other characters (C) will respond to the storyarc conclusion of character A . The norm has been that the other characters are seemingly unaware or unaffected, although in Kanon the leads have some degree of rapport with each other.

And what do you know? english sub has appeared already.

[orion]

Geez, guys. This is the ep. 7 discussion thread. Alot of the stuff you guys have in spoilers belongs in the speculation threads. Be nice to the first timers here.